Did the MSM/corporations in the US meddle in the 2016 presidential election on behalf of Hillary

[Maximus Zeebra]

This is a good standard if your clues are right. For instance, I use that standard to believe that the Trump Campaign coordinated with Russian Intelligence to influence the election. I've got multiple convictions for lying about it, recusals, and an ever changing story about meetings between the campaign and Russians. At this point I think they are up to a claim that "talking to Russian agents about selling Alaska back isn't really a crime, and even if it is, it was so long ago that no one really cares, MAGA."

Most of that comes from actual statements made and court documents. I've seen with my own eyes Trump lie about possible campaign finance violations. What do you have that so strongly convinces you, and are you making the claim that any of it is illegal? If George Bush, George Soros, and Jeff Bezos get in a room and say, "Let's work together to elect Clinton," (which I doubt happened), is that in any way illegal? Taking benefits from a foreign government and conducting private foreign diplomacy is illegal, but I'm not sure that groups of US citizens deciding to work for someone's election is illegal. At least, it didn't used to be.

I don't doubt Trump is a liar or a jackass, but so are most politicians, and far worse too. What does that have to do with anything? The whole Russian thing was just a convenient fantasy narrative to use against Trump, after running anti-Russian trash on tv for years after Putin said "no" to homosexuals, like no one else dears to do. I think nobody in our societies has said no to homosexuals about anything since that, bunch of cowards. Letting them get away with all kind of insane things and ideas.

Anyways, Since Sochi, media ran continued negative publicity about Russia, anti-Russian trash tv, propaganda, fabrications and the whole package. They build up a strong anti-Russian narrative, and these "feelings" they had built inside people, was very good to use in a narrative against Trump. This is where I believe the whole Russia Trump conspiracy theories etc come from. I haven't seen anything factual or logical point in that direction ever, just fantasies and narratives presented by some media and some politicians, it seems more like a campaign.

I don't know the US laws, but if all media organisations got together and colluded to get a party or president elected or not, together with other major and influential corporations, I'd like to think that it would be illegal yes. But I just don't know. Could be that it's not. But in either case it's a danger to the "democratic process" in my opinion.

 

[Journeyman]

I said the same media that has made people believe preposterous things.. And also outrageous lies. Like there not being 2 genders or similar things like that. Or the Russian conspiracy theory.

The institutions sold a bad image and propaganda of Trump, they sold a good image and propaganda on Hillary, and they sold a bunch of lies.

Yeah man. I remember when they said he bragged about his junk at a debate. And they even had fake video to prove it. And that thing on the bus where they had an impostor mimic his voice. How strongly he denied that was even him! And the media's focus on him wanting to lock hillery up. I mean, he said it one time, but you'd think the way they covered it that it was a huge thing at his rallies. And what about that time they made up his attack on McCain? Like anyone would say that McCain wasn't a hero. More fancy editing to put words in his mouth. And then there was that time that they said he said Putin wasn't going into Ukraine. How dumb does the media think we are that we would believe he would say that just because they have a video and audio recording of it.

 

[Journeyman]

I don't doubt Trump is a liar or a jackass, but so are most politicians, and far worse too. What does that have to do with anything? The whole Russian thing was just a convenient fantasy narrative to use against Trump, after running anti-Russian trash on tv for years after Putin said "no" to homosexuals, like no one else dears to do. I think nobody in our societies has said no to homosexuals about anything since that, bunch of cowards. Letting them get away with all kind of insane things and ideas.

Anyways, Since Sochi, media ran continued negative publicity about Russia, anti-Russian trash tv, propaganda, fabrications and the whole package. They build up a strong anti-Russian narrative, and these "feelings" they had built inside people, was very good to use in a narrative against Trump. This is where I believe the whole Russia Trump conspiracy theories etc come from. I haven't seen anything factual or logical point in that direction ever, just fantasies and narratives presented by some media and some politicians, it seems more like a campaign.

I don't know the US laws, but if all media organisations got together and colluded to get a party or president elected or not, together with other major and influential corporations, I'd like to think that it would be illegal yes. But I just don't know. Could be that it's not. But in either case it's a danger to the "democratic process" in my opinion.

Look at the changing story on the trump tower meeting with the Russians. You say you haven't seen anything, then you really haven't been following at all. They are at the point of trying to claim that if there is no hard evidence that Trump himself conspired with Russia then it was all a hoax. Several people have been convicted already in this affair.

Maybe you are happy with a liar and a jackass where you are in 'western' europe, and if so, you can have him comrade. I don't find most politicians worse. He lies so much if he told me it was going to be warm in July I'd get a second opinion (after checking my wallet).

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

They certainly liked to bring every negative thing about Trump into the spotlight, and every positive thing about Hillary into the spotlight, and not the opposite way around.

We can see this has continued now 2 years after the election of Trump. The insane coverage of the media. It's quite rabid, in lack of a better word.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Look at the changing story on the trump tower meeting with the Russians. You say you haven't seen anything, then you really haven't been following at all. They are at the point of trying to claim that if there is no hard evidence that Trump himself conspired with Russia then it was all a hoax. Several people have been convicted already in this affair.

Maybe you are happy with a liar and a jackass where you are in 'western' europe, and if so, you can have him comrade. I don't find most politicians worse. He lies so much if he told me it was going to be warm in July I'd get a second opinion (after checking my wallet).

Nah, we have bigger worries in Europe. Most countries here are ruled by flagrant traitors. People who have betrayed their own nation in favour of a foreign power. They have betrayed not only their nations, but their people as well.. So yeah, having someone like Trump would probably be a good thing, although he is an arrogant jackass. At least he appears to be a patriot and wanting to do what is best for his own country. That is far better than lousy traitors who just do awful and disgusting things against their own people and their own country.

We do have some rising leaders here who see things differently though and want a different direction. But I doubt it will matter, I think it has become clear to most people by now that the political system is a complete failure and utterly broken.

Well, perhaps Trump is a liar, but he is nowhere as good at lying as Obama was, Obama lied about pretty much everything, and he was adored by the same people who accuse Trump of lying etc. Funny how people are..

 

[Journeyman]

They certainly liked to bring every negative thing about Trump into the spotlight, and every positive thing about Hillary into the spotlight, and not the opposite way around.

We can see this has continued now 2 years after the election of Trump. The insane coverage of the media. It's quite rabid, in lack of a better word.

Welcome to capitalism, they bring what the market buys. And it has been buying. Subscriptions are way up with The NYT, WP, Atlantic, etc. And it isn't just print. The Late Show has gained massive numbers of viewers due to its topical humor.

And there was plenty of negative coverage of Hillary. The news covered her fall and the late breaking announcement of Comey's, that may very well have swung the election. Trump just did and does a lot more that is negative. When you stand on a debate stage and brag about the size of your penis, expect coverage and don't expect half of it to be positive. When you claim that a judge can't be impartial because he has mexican heritage, don't expect people to react well to blatant racism. I'll avoid Godwin's law and point out that in the early part of the last century Kaiser Wilhelm didn't get balanced treatment in the press here either. People thought he was bad and reported as such.

 

[Journeyman]

Nah, we have bigger worries in Europe. Most countries here are ruled by flagrant traitors. People who have betrayed their own nation in favour of a foreign power. They have betrayed not only their nations, but their people as well.. So yeah, having someone like Trump would probably be a good thing, although he is an arrogant jackass. At least he appears to be a patriot and wanting to do what is best for his own country. That is far better than lousy traitors who just do awful and disgusting things against their own people and their own country.

We do have some rising leaders here who see things differently though and want a different direction. But I doubt it will matter, I think it has become clear to most people by now that the political system is a complete failure and utterly broken.

Well, perhaps Trump is a liar, but he is nowhere as good at lying as Obama was, Obama lied about pretty much everything, and he was adored by the same people who accuse Trump of lying etc. Funny how people are..

All signs I have seen indicate that Obama lied far less than trump. As did Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon (yeah, even him), Kennedy, Ike, Truman, Roosevelt, Hoover, etc. I can certainly see where plenty of people may not have liked Obama's policies, but you are the first I've seen to say that Obama lied more than Trump does.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Uh... duh? The Apprentice aired on NBC ffs...

 

[smallvoice]

LOL

Obese Donald just proved that the worst choice for president ever was able to convince an adequate number of the worst electors ever, but in just the right places, to vote for him, thus insuring an Electoral College victory.

Of course the Russian help didn't hurt either.

Got ANY facts to back that claim with?

 

[Phys251]

I'm of the opinion that the mainstream media and very powerful and influential corporations in the US coordinated a meddling in the 2016 US presidential election in an attempt to get Hillary Clinton elected.

I'm not talking about some, I am talking about a coordinated effort from 90% of relevant large media in the US, and maybe 70% of top internet and social media companies in the US who meddled in the election to get Hillary Clinton elected. And if so, how dangerous are these to the future of the "democratic process" in the US?

Study: Hillary Clinton’s emails got as much front-page coverage in 6 days as policy did in 69 - Vox

The MSM's coverage of the 2016 election like a reality show instead of like a serious election was a huge aid to tRump.

 

[Born Free]

If the media and the corporations meddled in favor of Clinton then they were all incompetent or started drinking regularly at 9am.

As hard as they tried, nothing could help Crooked Hillary.

 

[Bullseye]

I'm of the opinion that the mainstream media and very powerful and influential corporations in the US coordinated a meddling in the 2016 US presidential election in an attempt to get Hillary Clinton elected.

I'm not talking about some, I am talking about a coordinated effort from 90% of relevant large media in the US, and maybe 70% of top internet and social media companies in the US who meddled in the election to get Hillary Clinton elected. And if so, how dangerous are these to the future of the "democratic process" in the US?

What do you define as "meddling"? IMHO, without question the MSM attempted to influence the election through selective reporting, opinions disguised as reporting, and continual distortion of reportage. Corporations, like labor unions, pumped a lot of money into PACs, committees, etc. that attempted to influence the elections. Although it's a urban legend amongst some people that corporations uniformly back the Republicans, that is totally false; corporate spending is a lot more balanced than one would expect. Check out openSecrets.org some time.

 

[DaveFagan]

I'm of the opinion that the mainstream media and very powerful and influential corporations in the US coordinated a meddling in the 2016 US presidential election in an attempt to get Hillary Clinton elected.

I'm not talking about some, I am talking about a coordinated effort from 90% of relevant large media in the US, and maybe 70% of top internet and social media companies in the US who meddled in the election to get Hillary Clinton elected. And if so, how dangerous are these to the future of the "democratic process" in the US?

I've always observed that Hillary is/was a NeoCon and the NeoCons and MIC coordinated to generate good MSM for their War Hawk Ally. That would be Corporate, MIC, think tanks, Intelligence Agencies and all the others that profit greatly form War. That's the identity/ies of the MSM coordinators.
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[Born Free]

Thank you for your garbage opinions.

Well then why did Crooked Hillary lose? Just asking.

 

[jamesrage]

I'm of the opinion that the mainstream media and very powerful and influential corporations in the US coordinated a meddling in the 2016 US presidential election in an attempt to get Hillary Clinton elected.

I'm not talking about some, I am talking about a coordinated effort from 90% of relevant large media in the US, and maybe 70% of top internet and social media companies in the US who meddled in the election to get Hillary Clinton elected. And if so, how dangerous are these to the future of the "democratic process" in the US?

Yes they meddled and this is why I laugh at any claims of Russian meddling in the news media. Because its as though the media is bitching about someone else doing something that they were doing themselves.

 

[LouC]

CNN, MSNBC, Hollywood, Twitter, Facebook, Google, just to mention a very few examples.



That's not really a good way to communicate Sir. What your country need is proper communication and mending, not further divisions.



Collude..

Or, perhaps you know what projection is? What "they" are saying about Russia and Trump, was exactly the things THEY themselves were actually doing. So if you want to know more specifics, dig up a list about the Trump/Russia conspiracy theories and apply the same stuff to Hillary and the media and corporations etc.. +++

You tossed out some media entities, but you did not provide any examples.

Failed grade for only completing half the assignment!

 

[Born Free]

You know, some supported Hillary just because they were so dead-set against Trump.

And Trump won in spite of it.

 

[LouC]

Got ANY facts to back that claim with?

Obese Donald is President, or is he not, that is a fact.

Russia interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of the Trump campaign.

2016 Election Hacking Fast Facts - CNN

Did Russia Affect the 2016 Election? It’s Now Undeniable | WIRED

Russian election meddling case supported by mountain of evidence

 

[Parrish]

They denied him airtime. He couldn't get coverage from the media, and thus couldn't get his message out. I mean, months would go by and you wouldn't hear a thing about what trump was doing.

I disagree. He called media all the time and got free air time. He got constant press from his tweets. Almost all of his rallies were shown in their entirety and then highlighted for days. All of that for free. He played the press and won.

 

[LouC]

And Trump won in spite of it.

Who knew a Joker would trump a Queen.

LOL

 

[LouC]

They denied him airtime. He couldn't get coverage from the media, and thus couldn't get his message out. I mean, months would go by and you wouldn't hear a thing about what trump was doing.

:lamo :lamo :lamo

 

[Superfly]

And Trump won in spite of it.

Да!! Да, он сделал!! (yes, yes he did!)

:lol:

 

[Superfly]

They denied him airtime. He couldn't get coverage from the media, and thus couldn't get his message out. I mean, months would go by and you wouldn't hear a thing about what trump was doing.

 

[Journeyman]

I disagree. He called media all the time and got free air time. He got constant press from his tweets. Almost all of his rallies were shown in their entirety and then highlighted for days. All of that for free. He played the press and won.

Sarcasm. In this case, you missed it. Happens to all of us at some times.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

As hard as they tried, nothing could help Crooked Hillary.

I think everyone knew that Hillary Clinton was a master manipulator and a wannabe tyrant and neo-con global warmonger that most likely would have put the world into a nuclear war. It's good that people did not want this. Hillary is very flexible though, she will say and do anything. She has changed probably all her core believes since Bill was in office. The only thing such people care about it power. And yet another family dynasty as presidents of the US would have been devastating.

I think many people in both Europe and the US are now able to see straight through such malevolent and dishonest characters as Hillary Clinton. People know they are being lied to by the media and politicians, and know that the people have little or no power at all and that they are being ruled by absolute psychopaths who make up the political system. Trump might be a narcissistic psychopath himself, but he ran with a promise to chase these monsters out of Washington DC, and that's what got him elected. Bottom line. Cleaning up the swamp.

Seemingly the swamp is fighting desperate and hard, so it might be that Trump fails in his actual election promise.