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Did President Obama mastermind Putin's push for diplomacy?
That's what a friend of mine on Facebook says. This person says that Obama's supposed push for strikes was really all part of a plan to fool Putin to push for diplomatic actions that he (Obama) would have brought, but would have been ridiculed for. Fooling Putin into proposing them also fooled his (Obama's) detractors into embracing them. Basically, Obama pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
Your thoughts?
No, I think he played right in to Putins and Assads hands.Did President Obama mastermind Putin's push for diplomacy?
That's what a friend of mine on Facebook says. This person says that Obama's supposed push for strikes was really all part of a plan to fool Putin to push for diplomatic actions that he (Obama) would have brought, but would have been ridiculed for. Fooling Putin into proposing them also fooled his (Obama's) detractors into embracing them. Basically, Obama pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
Your thoughts?
Did President Obama mastermind Putin's push for diplomacy?
That's what a friend of mine on Facebook says. This person says that Obama's supposed push for strikes was really all part of a plan to fool Putin to push for diplomatic actions that he (Obama) would have brought, but would have been ridiculed for. Fooling Putin into proposing them also fooled his (Obama's) detractors into embracing them. Basically, Obama pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
Your thoughts?
Oh, I know, and I agree. It was extremely difficult to post that and try to remain neutral in my wording.Believe nothing that you read and only half of what you see with your own lyin' eyes. The spin doctors are at work. Your friend didn't invent that spin. It's all over the place in one form or another.
Edit: IMO, our country's leadership has been mightily embarrassed.
Did President Obama mastermind Putin's push for diplomacy?
That's what a friend of mine on Facebook says. This person says that Obama's supposed push for strikes was really all part of a plan to fool Putin to push for diplomatic actions that he (Obama) would have brought, but would have been ridiculed for. Fooling Putin into proposing them also fooled his (Obama's) detractors into embracing them. Basically, Obama pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
Your thoughts?
Did President Obama mastermind Putin's push for diplomacy?
Did President Obama mastermind Putin's push for diplomacy?
That's what a friend of mine on Facebook says. This person says that Obama's supposed push for strikes was really all part of a plan to fool Putin to push for diplomatic actions that he (Obama) would have brought, but would have been ridiculed for. Fooling Putin into proposing them also fooled his (Obama's) detractors into embracing them. Basically, Obama pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
Your thoughts?
No, I think he played right in to Putins and Assads hands.
I'm of he opinion that Putin did not save he day; Obama did.
So, if factual Obama has proved himself to be a weak and waffling world leader. That is a green light for the Iranians the NKs and whoever has world ambitions to go ahead and do what they want without fear of the US doing anything about it. The muslim terrorists are right, the fabric of the US is in decline and has been so for a long time.
Does anyone other than Obama and Putin know the contents of their conversation at the G20 summit?
I'm of he opinion that Putin did not save he day; Obama did.
That is the strangest logic I have ever heard. "You can't know because you weren't there so I am right even though I wasn't there either"
Believe nothing that you read and only half of what you see with your own lyin' eyes. The spin doctors are at work. Your friend didn't invent that spin. It's all over the place in one form or another.
Edit: IMO, our country's leadership has been mightily embarrassed.
An intelligent man with a high functioning brain vs. a hot head will always come out the winner.
Of course you're right. Aren't you always?
I think your friend is attributing to Obama a level of cunning and deviousness that he does not possess.
The administration is out of control and definatly out of sync.So, if factual Obama has proved himself to be a weak and waffling world leader. That is a green light for the Iranians the NKs and whoever has world ambitions to go ahead and do what they want without fear of the US doing anything about it. The muslim terrorists are right, the fabric of the US is in decline and has been so for a long time.
Word. That high functioning brain is how Putin has remained in control even when he was officially not in control.
Can you expand on how you come to your conclusion?Does anyone other than Obama and Putin know the contents of their conversation at the G20 summit?
I'm of he opinion that Putin did not save he day; Obama did.
Did President Obama mastermind Putin's push for diplomacy?
That's what a friend of mine on Facebook says. This person says that Obama's supposed push for strikes was really all part of a plan to fool Putin to push for diplomatic actions that he (Obama) would have brought, but would have been ridiculed for. Fooling Putin into proposing them also fooled his (Obama's) detractors into embracing them. Basically, Obama pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
Your thoughts?
Can you expand on how you come to your conclusion?
Obama is intelligent, sure. And while Putin is nothing more than a common thug, he also has "street smarts", which should not be discounted. Can you provide something beyond, "I don't know what they talked about, so my guy is the victor... he just has to be."?
Agree with this, and is part of the reason I am reluctant to do them at all. If we remember correctly, Clinton's targeted strikes after each attack in the 90s worked oh-so-well.honestly, i don't know. was Kerry's remark "off the cuff?" with international alliances and proxy wars on the table, i doubt Kerry would just **** around and toss out a potential solution without getting it cleared.
the whole thing does have an air of planning to it. and you know what? that's fine for two reasons :
1. this is not our responsibility. it is the responsibility of Saudi Arabia as the regional hegemon, and it's also on Russia for propping this asshole up and giving him the weapons. SA is on us hard to act, and won't do it themselves. if we act and (once again) allow them to abdicate their duty, they get the best of both worlds : doing nothing, and reaping the huge oil profits when the instability pushes the price to the moon. now it's on them, as it should be.
2. if you're going to be world police, you can't just do a surgical strike of a couple military sites, because it will do nothing other than to drag us in deeper. you have to go all out. it's time for us to stop doing this. the rest of the world is not paying us, the UN security council is nearly useless because of vetoes, and one half of the duopoly which runs the US absolutely refuses to raise taxes for war. so, we'd be borrowing from China (Syria's ally) to go and do Saudi Arabia's job.
we can't afford to do this anymore. we need to go back to being a country.
Who's your guy?
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