Did Bibi lie? Who in the state security wants to get rid of him?

[The German]

When reading through Israels political history one will notice that there has always been a big contrast between what the state security wants and what the government wants.

This seems to be another such case. We know that Goldberg, Sharon and Rabbin had alot of disagreements with the IDF command and that several IDF generals outright hated Sharon.

So it looks to me like if someone in the Israeli state security doesnt want Bibi to win the upcoming election.

 

[Red_Dave]

When reading through Israels political history one will notice that there has always been a big contrast between what the state security wants and what the government wants.

This seems to be another such case. We know that Goldberg, Sharon and Rabbin had alot of disagreements with the IDF command and that several IDF generals outright hated Sharon.

So it looks to me like if someone in the Israeli state security doesnt want Bibi to win the upcoming election.

Good for him but its not like we needed a leak to have an accurate view of Bibis credibility on this

Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979. - Israel paints Iran as Enemy No. 1: 1992 - CSMonitor.com

 

[Amadeus]

Yes, Netanyahu lied. Which is par for the course for this corrupt, warmongering buffoon.

 

[mendelssohn]

Leaked Document Shows No Wedge between Mossad and Netanyahu on Iran's Nuclear Program [JP]

A leaked document that allegedly highlights differences on Iran between the Mossad and Prime Minister Netanyahu is a South African State Security Agency (SSA) document that describes a briefing given to them by the Mossad in 2013.
The document contains no secrets. The Mossad provided details of the quantities of Iran's enriched uranium at its two levels - 3.5% and 20% - and stated that Iran is "not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons." That assessment was correct - it isn't possible to utilize fissile material for a bomb with only 20%-enriched uranium - an enrichment of 93% is required - and Iran did not have it at the time and doesn't have it now.
Certainly that doesn't present any evidence of a wedge between the Mossad and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu with regard to Iran's nuclear program. Israeli intelligence estimates are that Iran is working to be a nuclear power but is not able to build a bomb right now.

 

[Apocalypse]

The OP is ridiculous.
It's all very misleading, and here's why:

1) The claim that this document, which comes from some communication between the Mossad and South Africa's intelligence services, is a "leaked document" is a ridiculous claim. Israel and South Africa are not close diplomatically. Israel maintains a connection between the intelligence services of the two countries, as Israel maintains with many states that are neutral in their stance towards Israel, but they would never expose secret details in any communication between the two countries. This specific document, as Israeli journalists stated today, is actually a piece of information that is open to the public and available to anyone who demands it. So the attempt to present it as some sort of a leaked document is hilarious. Al-Jazeera and the guardian are embarrassing.

2) The claim that the Mossad is contradicting Netanyahu here is even more ridiculous. The Mossad is claiming what everyone knows; that Iran doesn't have nukes yet and that it hasn't begun the manufacturing of nuclear weapons, but that it is advancing towards having the ability to initiate such process when it'd wish to. That is exactly what half the planet, including Netanyahu, are claiming. If there is any difference between the Mossad's and Netanyahu's approaches it is that while Netanyahu believes Iran became an existential threat from the moment it started advancing towards gaining such capabilities, the Mossad believes(or more likely believed) it should be regarded as such only at the point when it would start the process to create nuclear weapons.

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[Moot]

Yes, he lied. But then, he's been lying for years so this announcement is no surprise and only helps confirm was most of the world already knew.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Yes, he lied. But then, he's been lying for years so this announcement is no surprise and only helps confirm was most of the world already knew.

right. And what did the world know?

That the Iranian efforts are designed to develop peaceful nuclear power?


Just trying to figure out to whom I should be selling all these bridges I have in Florida.

 

[Moot]

right. And what did the world know?

That the Iranian efforts are designed to develop peaceful nuclear power?


Just trying to figure out to whom I should be selling all these bridges I have in Florida.

There's a very good link above you by RedDave at post#2. It shows that Bibi has had an agenda for a very long time and it's no secret to people who have followed these negotiations for decades....like I have. In fact, I quit being a republican because of the Iran-Contra scandal. I just couldn't take Reagan lying to my face on TV anymore. He was a bad actor.

 

[CJ 2.0]

There's a very good link above you by RedDave at post#2. It shows that Bibi has had an agenda for a very long time and it's no secret to people who have followed these negotiations for decades....like I have. In fact, I quit being a republican because of the Iran-Contra scandal. I just couldn't take Reagan lying to my face on TV anymore. He was a bad actor.

Still trying to get an answer. Are we pretending the Iranian efforts are focused on peaceful nuclear energy, or not?

 

[Moot]

Still trying to get an answer. Are we pretending the Iranian efforts are focused on peaceful nuclear energy, or not?

I don't live to answer your questions. The Iranians have never claimed otherwise.

 

[CJ 2.0]

I don't live to answer your questions. The Iranians have never claimed otherwise.

What in the world are you talking about? We going for pure sophistry, or are you pursuing the bibi exagerated and so therefore everything he says is meaningless and we should assume the opposite is true nonsense reasoning?

Cause either way, your argument makes no sense.

 

[Moot]

What in the world are you talking about? We going for pure sophistry, or are you pursuing the bibi exagerated and so therefore everything he says is meaningless and we should assume the opposite is true nonsense reasoning?

Cause either way, your argument makes no sense.

Good, that makes us even because I can't stomach your nonsense either. Now lets drink to ignoring each other from now on....


:cheers:

 

[CJ 2.0]

Good, that makes us even because I can't stomach your nonsense either. Now lets drink to ignoring each other from now on....


:cheers:

yeah, sucks to be called out on nonsense.

Do you think Iran is working towards a bomb or not?

 

[Moot]

yeah, sucks to be called out on nonsense.

Do you think Iran is working towards a bomb or not?

No, I don't. Iran signed the nuclear arms treaty, not Israel. Israel is the one making bombs, not Iran. Iran signed an international treaty in order to get nuclear power ...and for over 30 years there hasn't been any credible evidence that they have or even can enrich uranium to 99% purity to make a bomb....or that they've even broken the treaty at all. But there's a lot of European nations that did break the treaty so they wouldn't have to pay back the debt they owed to Iran. Yup, it's all just propaganda and nonsense.....just like your obnoxious, misinformed, suck filled posts.

 

[CJ 2.0]

No, I don't.

And this is the crux of it, isn't it. If you want to delude yourself that Iran's efforts to build a nuclear weapons capability is all about replacing its abundant fossil fuel energy with expensive nuclear power, even in the face of crippling sanctions, then feel free.

And sure, you can also ignore all the effort they have made in developing detonation mechanisms and the missile capabilities to deliver nuclear payloads. And the smuggling of centrifuges and technology and design plans and the rest, contrary to international sanctions.

And while you are at it, you might as well ignore Iran's regional ambitions, its support of proxy terrorist groups and armies and its direct involvement in international terrorism.

You can do all that stuff. Except it isn't your life you are putting at risk with your deluded fantasies. It's the lives of all of the Jews in Israel, who represent a population of peoples whose ancestors have been thrown out of and persecuted in other countries, including the majority of its population which descenda from Jews ethnically cleansed from the rest of the middle east.

So in reality, you can't. Go gamble with the lives of your own children.

 

[Apocalypse]

No, I don't.

Yep, the no.1 sponsor of terrorism on Earth with the infinite amount of oil fields is seeking nuclear capabilities for civil purposes.

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

 

[Moot]

Yep, the no.1 sponsor of terrorism on Earth with the infinite amount of oil fields is seeking nuclear capabilities for civil purposes.

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

Israel isn't all that innocent, either.

Now you can move along, folks.

 

[Apocalypse]

Israel isn't all that innocent, either.

Now you can move along, folks.

That's not even an argument.
That you believe that saying that Israel isn't "all that innocent" will make your position regarding Iranian nukes more sound simply proves the amount of logic with which you engage in the discussion.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Israel isn't all that innocent, either.

Now you can move along, folks.

Lol.

The "I know you are but what am I" argument.

Powerful stuff.

Don't know how I will be able to defend myself once you combine that with the "I'm rubber and you're glue" argument.

 

[mendelssohn]

No, I don't. Iran signed the nuclear arms treaty, not Israel. Israel is the one making bombs, not Iran. Iran signed an international treaty in order to get nuclear power ...and for over 30 years there hasn't been any credible evidence that they have or even can enrich uranium to 99% purity to make a bomb....or that they've even broken the treaty at all. But there's a lot of European nations that did break the treaty so they wouldn't have to pay back the debt they owed to Iran. Yup, it's all just propaganda and nonsense.....just like your obnoxious, misinformed, suck filled posts.

First of all, Iran has signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is something vastly different. However, they have breached that agreement multiple times. In other words, any promise they've made on any subject is rendered meaningless because their signed words are but window dressing. From your illiterate verbal utterings, it appears you haven't read any reports by the IAEA about Iranian nuclear proliferation.

You're talking about propaganda and nonsense? You must be delusional.

 

[mendelssohn]

Israel isn't all that innocent, either.

Now you can move along, folks.

What is this, some kind of joke? Your derivative drivel makes one regret that the function of language was handed out for free to most.

 

[Moot]

That's not even an argument.
That you believe that saying that Israel isn't "all that innocent" will make your position regarding Iranian nukes more sound simply proves the amount of logic with which you engage in the discussion.

Israel supports ISIS...

"...In September 2013, Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren, then a close Netanyahu adviser, told the Jerusalem Post that Israel favored the Sunni extremists over Assad....

“We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.” He said this was the case even if the “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.

In June 2014, speaking as a former ambassador at an Aspen Institute conference, Oren expanded on his position, saying Israel would even prefer a victory by the brutal Islamic State over continuation of the Iranian-backed Assad in Syria. “From Israel’s perspective, if there’s got to be an evil that’s got to prevail, let the Sunni evil prevail,” Oren said...."

Saudi king labels Israeli offensive in Gaza a war crime - World - DAWN.COM

Sunday Times: Israel, Saudi Arabia cooperating to plan possible Iran attack - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News | Haaretz​

So Israel and Saudi Arabia both support ISIS.....you know, the No. 1 terrorist group in the world....the group that kidnaps, beheads and burns people alive and threatened to take over the WH. With allies like that, who needs enemies, eh?

So what was it Bush said in his SoU address...."From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime....."

Maybe Obama should bring some of the Bush's doctrine back.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Israel supports ISIS...

"...In September 2013, Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren, then a close Netanyahu adviser, told the Jerusalem Post that Israel favored the Sunni extremists over Assad....

“We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.” He said this was the case even if the “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.

In June 2014, speaking as a former ambassador at an Aspen Institute conference, Oren expanded on his position, saying Israel would even prefer a victory by the brutal Islamic State over continuation of the Iranian-backed Assad in Syria. “From Israel’s perspective, if there’s got to be an evil that’s got to prevail, let the Sunni evil prevail,” Oren said...."

Saudi king labels Israeli offensive in Gaza a war crime - World - DAWN.COM

Sunday Times: Israel, Saudi Arabia cooperating to plan possible Iran attack - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News | Haaretz​

So Israel and Saudi Arabia both support ISIS.....you know, the No. 1 terrorist group in the world....the group that kidnaps, beheads and burns people alive and threatened to take over the WH. With allies like that, who needs enemies, eh?

So what was it Bush said in his SoU address...."From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime....."

Maybe Obama should bring some of the Bush's doctrine back.

Holy crap man. You seriously believe this or are you just playing the propaganda game?