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Did Anyone Else Read This And Feel Chilled?

So you have no answer, no problem with Trump supporting torture and war crimes?
So long as putin is the one committing them?

Probably not.

After all, trump's minions in the House are holding up aid for Ukraine.
 
The funniest part about this article is that they thought putting Trump's mouth on a bust of Caesar was an "own".

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You've not read the article.

There's nothing at all "funny" in Kagan's piece.
 
So he's your boogeyman. You aren't credible.
No - the eat babies and kick puppies was YOUR idea - not mine. Perhaps you know something about him you're not sharing? Apparently he's your boogeyman, but you have yet to come to terms with which Jungian compartment Trump resides in.
 
So long as putin is the one committing them?

Probably not.

After all, trump's minions in the House are holding up aid for Ukraine.
I don’t understand. Why would we support war crimes by Putin or anyone else?
 
You've not read the article.

There's nothing at all "funny" in Kagan's piece.
The contents of the article literally don't even matter.

It's just hilarious that the author thinks the first picture depicting Trump as a Caesarian figure is a own. Trump is going to extricate us from the corrupt plutocratic Republic? Uhmmm wtf I love Trump now.
 
I don’t understand. Why would we support war crimes by Putin or anyone else?
I'm sorry. I meant what I wrote (in the post to you) to be addressed to the poster you were responding to.

Yep, that convoluted sentence didn't translate very well, here or in my message.

No, we shouldn't support war crimes, committed by putin, Netanyahu, Hamas, or anyone else. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to try to clear up the confusion I've caused.
 
The contents of the article literally don't even matter.

It's just hilarious that the author thinks the first picture depicting Trump as a Caesarian figure is a own. Trump is going to extricate us from the corrupt plutocratic Republic? Uhmmm wtf I love Trump now.
What author? You don't know that whatever pic you're talking about was inserted by the article's author. For all you know, it could be part of wapo advertising. Or something else.

Why not respond to the very real idea of a dictatorship, should trump be reinstalled in the Oval Office?
 
What author? You don't know that whatever pic you're talking about was inserted by the article's author. For all you know, it could be part of wapo advertising. Or something else.

Why not respond to the very real idea of a dictatorship, should trump be reinstalled in the Oval Office?
The author of the article. He's an interventionist liberal, by the way, and has a track record of supporting every foreign war in the middle east that have cost and displaced millions of lives. Frankly, I don't care what this piece of garbage has to say about Trump's moral character.

I think the democratic process should be followed and if the American people vote for Trump then he should hold office.
 
I wasn't going to post about this but I couldn't let it go. This was in "The Washington Post" today. It doesn't belong in the "Breaking News" forum since it is an opinion piece. It is also behind a paywall so many people would have trouble gaining access to it. But I didn't want to read it and fail to mention it on Debate Politics because I found it so chilling. I wanted to know if other members had also read it and what they thought about it.

"A Trump Dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending." by Robert Kagan



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The author of the article. He's an interventionist liberal, by the way, and has a track record of supporting every foreign war in the middle east that have cost and displaced millions of lives. Frankly, I don't care what this piece of garbage has to say about Trump's moral character.

I think the democratic process should be followed and if the American people vote for Trump then he should hold office.
LOL....Robert Kagan is no liberal. An interventionist, yes, but no liberal.

So, you didn't read the article, and you've rejected it wholesale because you mistakenly assumed Robert Kagan is a liberal?
 
LOL....Robert Kagan is no liberal. An interventionist, yes, but no liberal.

So, you didn't read the article, and you've rejected it wholesale because you mistakenly assumed Robert Kagan is a liberal?
He is literally a leading intellectual on global liberal interventionism, specifically in the middle east. Neoconservatives ARE liberals.
 
He is literally a leading intellectual on global liberal interventionism, specifically in the middle east. Neoconservatives ARE liberals.
No, neoconservatives are not liberals. (In your mind, maybe, but not in reality.) Unless you can prove this claim....

Back to your wholesale rejection of the article - which you have yet to read! - simply because you believe, mistakenly, the author is somehow a liberal: well, now I know who and what you are.
 
No, neoconservatives are not liberals. (In your mind, maybe, but not in reality.) Unless you can prove this claim....

Back to your wholesale rejection of the article - which you have yet to read! - simply because you believe, mistakenly, the author is somehow a liberal: well, now I know who and what you are.
American conservatism is literally completely inspired by the classical liberal philosophers of post-enlightenment Europe. They believe in free trade, free markets, individual rights, open borders and freedom of movement, and foreign wars for democracy building. They are philosophically influenced by liberalism and the politics they practice are liberal. How else could they possibly be more liberal?

Black is White
Up is Down
Fascism is Communism
Lies are Truth
Trump is a benevolent conservative who only wants whats best for this country
That's very clever. Consider reading a history book.
 
American conservatism is literally completely inspired by the classical liberal philosophers of post-enlightenment Europe. They believe in free trade, free markets, individual rights, open borders and freedom of movement, and foreign wars for democracy building. They are philosophically influenced by liberalism and the politics they practice are liberal. How else could they possibly be more liberal?

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Kagan isn't identified as a liberal. If you want your claim he is a liberal to be taken seriously, you have to prove that Kagan is considered a liberal. That means you copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

If or when you don't do this, your claim (Robert Kagan is a liberal!) will remain what it is now: just your opinion. But not fact.

In the meantime, you might read the article and comment on it. That would help establish some semblance of credibility on your part.
 
Kagan isn't identified as a liberal. If you want your claim he is a liberal to be taken seriously, you have to prove that Kagan is considered a liberal. That means you copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

If or when you don't do this, your claim (Robert Kagan is a liberal!) will remain what it is now: just your opinion. But not fact.

In the meantime, you might read the article and comment on it. That would help establish some semblance of credibility on your part.
Quote from an article this dude wrote in 2006:

"Russia and China are the greatest "challenge liberalism faces today": "Nor do Russia and China welcome the liberal West's efforts to promote liberal politics around the globe, least of all in regions of strategic importance to them. ... Unfortunately, al-Qaeda may not be the only challenge liberalism faces today, or even the greatest."

This guy sure does talk about liberalism a lot for not being a liberal. He also says he supports liberal interventionism, claims to want to build liberal democracies in the middle east, and voted for Hillary Clinton.

This guy hates Trump because Trump ostensibly does not support turning the entire middle east into a parking lot. He has some similar things to say about other anti-war candidates like Ron Paul. He's a piece of garbage and I don't care what he has to say about anything.
 
Quote from an article this dude wrote in 2006:

"Russia and China are the greatest "challenge liberalism faces today": "Nor do Russia and China welcome the liberal West's efforts to promote liberal politics around the globe, least of all in regions of strategic importance to them. ... Unfortunately, al-Qaeda may not be the only challenge liberalism faces today, or even the greatest."

This guy sure does talk about liberalism a lot for not being a liberal. He also says he supports liberal interventionism, claims to want to build liberal democracies in the middle east, and voted for Hillary Clinton.

This guy hates Trump because Trump ostensibly does not support turning the entire middle east into a parking lot. He has some similar things to say about other anti-war candidates like Ron Paul. He's a piece of garbage and I don't care what he has to say about anything.
I imagine many conservatives, MAGA GOPers, Libertarians, Independents, et al talk about "liberals".

But talking ABOUT "liberals" doesn't MAKE you one.

Good luck finding those excerpts from credible sources that prove Robert Kagan is a liberal.
 
No - the eat babies and kick puppies was YOUR idea - not mine. Perhaps you know something about him you're not sharing? Apparently he's your boogeyman, but you have yet to come to terms with which Jungian compartment Trump resides in.
Yes I was mocking the way people feed in negatives.
How they are so willing to believe the worst . You know that's how brainwashing starts. I'm not telling you to like the guy hate him, but hate him for something real.
 
I imagine many conservatives, MAGA GOPers, Libertarians, Independents, et al talk about "liberals".

But talking ABOUT "liberals" doesn't MAKE you one.

Good luck finding those excerpts from credible sources that prove Robert Kagan is a liberal.
Have you read Kagan's wapo article yet?
 
Yes I was mocking the way people feed in negatives.
How they are so willing to believe the worst . You know that's how brainwashing starts. I'm not telling you to like the guy hate him, but hate him for something real.
If we're talking trump, his sneering at McCain's military service was despicable.

That's a very real thing I hate about trump. All Americans should have rejected him for that. But too many didn't. And don't.

Same goes for trump's orchestrating the violent attempted coup on Jan 6th.
 
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I imagine many conservatives, MAGA GOPers, Libertarians, Independents, and Democrats talk about "liberals".

But talking about "liberals" doesn't make you one.
Well considering he classifies himself as a liberal interventionist and then has multiple quotes lamenting how some countries refuse liberal democracy, I think it's safe to assume he is indeed a liberal.

Anyway I'm going to stop replying now. You don't seem to understand what liberalism is or the historical genesis of it as a political philosophy. You seem far more interested in pop politics so I'm going to leave you to that drama.
 
That's very clever.
I know. Thank you.
Consider reading a history book.
I do. I have. Mostly history that I haven't actually been living through, day to day, for many years. I don't need to read a history book for that. I just pay attention, and my level of attention is well above average.
 
Well considering he classifies himself as a liberal interventionist and then has multiple quotes lamenting how some countries refuse liberal democracy, I think it's safe to assume he is indeed a liberal.

Anyway I'm going to stop replying now. You don't seem to understand what liberalism is or the historical genesis of it as a political philosophy. You seem far more interested in pop politics so I'm going to leave you to that drama.
Where does he classify himself as a liberal? You've provided no quote, no link to a quote that says this.

At this point, you've not corroborated your claim Robert Kagan is a liberal.

Too bad you didn't put any of this effort into reading and commenting on the article.
 
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