Dead wrong.A new movie and a visit to the 9/11 memorial remind us what's at stake when America doesn't live up to its ideals.
On a Saturday buffeted with a cold December wind, thousands strolled with somber step through one of New York City's two historic cathedrals. Outside hundreds more waited patiently in a long line to enter; once inside, their voices were muted, and the very young, holding a parents hand, would be told about a brilliant, cloudless September morning when America changed forever.
Read the article here: Dick Cheney vs.
Dick Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I believe that most people in the USA will never support the use of torture.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
A new movie and a visit to the 9/11 memorial remind us what's at stake when America doesn't live up to its ideals.
On a Saturday buffeted with a cold December wind, thousands strolled with somber step through one of New York City's two historic cathedrals. Outside hundreds more waited patiently in a long line to enter; once inside, their voices were muted, and the very young, holding a parents hand, would be told about a brilliant, cloudless September morning when America changed forever.
Read the article here: Dick Cheney vs.
Dick Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I believe that most people in the USA will never support the use of torture.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
Once 9/11 happened, Dick Cheney ceased to believe that the CIA should be subject to the U.S. Constitution, statutes passed by Congress, international treaties, or moral prohibitions against torture. Those standards would be cast aside. In their place, moral relativism would reign. Any action undertaken by the United States would be subject to this test: Is it morally equivalent to what Al Qaeda did on 9/11? Is it as bad as murdering roughly 3,000 innocent people? If not, then no one should criticize it, let alone investigate, charge and prosecute the CIA. Did a prisoner freeze to death? Were others anally raped? Well, what if they were?
If it cannot be compared with 9/11, if it is not morally equivalent, then it should not be verboten.
That is the moral standard Cheney is unabashedly invoking on national television. He doesn’t want the United States to honor norms against torture. He doesn’t want us to abide by Ten Commandments, or to live up to the values in the Declaration of Independence, or to be restrained by the text of the Constitution. Instead, Cheney would have us take Al Qaeda as our moral and legal measuring stick. Did America torture dozens of innocents? So what. 9/11 was worse.
A new movie and a visit to the 9/11 memorial remind us what's at stake when America doesn't live up to its ideals.
On a Saturday buffeted with a cold December wind, thousands strolled with somber step through one of New York City's two historic cathedrals. Outside hundreds more waited patiently in a long line to enter; once inside, their voices were muted, and the very young, holding a parents hand, would be told about a brilliant, cloudless September morning when America changed forever.
Read the article here: Dick Cheney vs.
Dick Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I believe that most people in the USA will never support the use of torture.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
Heres another good report about it:
Dick Cheney - The Atlantic
:And the conclusion of it shows the twisted logic, which seems to be shared by many posters here
A new movie and a visit to the 9/11 memorial remind us what's at stake when America doesn't live up to its ideals.
On a Saturday buffeted with a cold December wind, thousands strolled with somber step through one of New York City's two historic cathedrals. Outside hundreds more waited patiently in a long line to enter; once inside, their voices were muted, and the very young, holding a parents hand, would be told about a brilliant, cloudless September morning when America changed forever.
Read the article here: Dick Cheney vs.
Dick Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I believe that most people in the USA will never support the use of torture.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
The Detainee Abuse Photos Obama Didn’t Want You To See!
The Obama administration is withholding hundreds, perhaps even thousands of photographs showing the U.S. government’s brutal treatment of detainees, meaning that revelations about detainee abuse could well continue, possibly compounding the outrage generated by the Senate “torture report” now in the public eye.
Anyone who thinks that it's OK should have to go through it. :roll:
On another note, I have a lot of respect for John McCain and have started to gain a lot more respect for the man in the past few months.
First by condemning Viktor Orban of Hungary for leading the country down the path of fascism and now for standing up against torture.
John McCain Statement On CIA Torture Report - Business Insider
Anyone who thinks that it's OK should have to go through it. :roll:
Dick Cheney is a ****ing worm. Has no problem with torturing innocent people as well as the guilty.
I'm guessing Cheney came up with the rectal feeding bit.Dick Cheney is a seriously creepy guy, he almost makes my skin crawl.
That is why the White House wanted a legal opinion on what it is ie whether a number of procedures were or were not acceptable ie constituted torture.
I'm guessing Cheney came up with the rectal feeding bit.
What a good idea!!
Have your legal hacks come up with the opinion you desire.
Works for Dick Cheney.
Dick Cheney is a ****ing worm. Has no problem with torturing innocent people as well as the guilty.
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I don't want to get shot on the battlefield. Does mean our troops shouod be shot if they shoot the enemy?
Torture is the mark of barbarism.
I don't support torture. I know that the world isn't a pretty place and that information that may have proven useful in military or hostage situations has been obtained by torture, but still, we should try and rise above that.
Think of it this way. What if it happened to you?
"but I'm a good person, it could never happen to me".
The people who torture others aren't good people. Doesn't matter what you are, the people who have been dehumanized to torture someone will not care. They won't need much of an excuse to start torturing you if you fall into heir hands.
I sometimes wonder who ends up drawing the short straw in the long run. The torturer who has to do it for a long time, on multiple people... or the tortured souls who will eventually have their suffering ended. But the torturer will go on to the next guy. And the next. And the next. I don't see how one can be truly alive with such a burden on him. Unless the army/special services recruit mentally deranged people, psychos and sociopaths, to be their torturers. I don't see how a man could do that and keep his sanity.
Anyway, my 0.02$.
Give me a break. To lump these acts in with "torture" is like prosecuting a shop lifter with a capital murder because they are both crimes
A new movie and a visit to the 9/11 memorial remind us what's at stake when America doesn't live up to its ideals.
On a Saturday buffeted with a cold December wind, thousands strolled with somber step through one of New York City's two historic cathedrals. Outside hundreds more waited patiently in a long line to enter; once inside, their voices were muted, and the very young, holding a parents hand, would be told about a brilliant, cloudless September morning when America changed forever.
Read the article here: Dick Cheney vs.
Dick Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I believe that most people in the USA will never support the use of torture.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
Polls disagree with you, it seemsA new movie and a visit to the 9/11 memorial remind us what's at stake when America doesn't live up to its ideals.
On a Saturday buffeted with a cold December wind, thousands strolled with somber step through one of New York City's two historic cathedrals. Outside hundreds more waited patiently in a long line to enter; once inside, their voices were muted, and the very young, holding a parents hand, would be told about a brilliant, cloudless September morning when America changed forever.
Read the article here: Dick Cheney vs.
Dick Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I believe that most people in the USA will never support the use of torture.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
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