Dianne Feinstein To Introduce Assault Weapons Ban On First Day Of Congress

[Goshin]

Also, just in case anyone doesn't know (and if you dont, you should educate yourself before commenting in this debate), the LAST so-called Assault Weapons Ban was a sad joke if not an outright fraud.

It did not ban one single "assault rifle" by the proper definition of same... it banned certain types of semi-auto weapons based on mostly cosmetic features deemed "scary" or "military looking".

During the time it was in force, you could STILL go and buy semi-automatic rifles of the SAME type as AK47's and AR15's... just with altered cosmetic features to make them "legal".

ALSO, stuff that had been already manufactured or imported was GRANDFATHERED IN.... so there were WAREHOUSES FULL of weapons and magazines you could still buy, just at inflated prices.


The day after the AWB, you could go down to the gun store and LEGALLY buy a semi-auto "assault rifle" and as many 30 round magazines as you liked... just be prepared to pay inflated prices.


It was a total hosejob. This one will be the same. Net effect on crime: ZERO.

 

[TurtleDude]

The difference is I do not like seeing someone that can take a gun that holds 25 bullets and reload that quick. I would love to see how long that person could reload using a revolver that holds six bullets.

so you want victims to be handicapped because people planning murder will get the stuff they want

as to your question of revolvers

here you go

I have shot with this guy before

some of us are pretty fast-this guy is greased lightning . but many of us can get 16 shots off with an 8 shot revolver in under 5 seconds

 

[Bob N]

So are you asserting that everyone who gets shot by a drug dealer, IS involved in the drug trade? I'd beg to differ as a former LEO...

Goshin: I agree with that statement, but if you count the victims I'm sure you would find the vast majority were involved in the drug trade. Additionally, one has to wonder just how many times innocent people get shot from those guns when that kind of dispute is engaged.

 

[Goshin]

The difference is I do not like seeing someone that can take a gun that holds 25 bullets and reload that quick. I would love to see how long that person could reload using a revolver that holds six bullets.

Under two seconds with a speed-loader. I carried a revolver as a cop and had to qual alongside guys using Glocks, firing the same course under the same time constraints.


What you don't like is not relevant to my personal liberty or constitutional rights.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

The difference is I do not like seeing someone that can take a gun that holds 25 bullets and reload that quick. I would love to see how long that person could reload using a revolver that holds six bullets.

My Ruger 10/22, a childs gun, a gun made for plinking cans and rodents, holds a 25 round magazine.

Don't be so narrow minded.

 

[notquiteright]

true enough-a good choice when dealing with several attackers at close range. which is why a prepared homeowner will have several options in terms of defensive weaponry. Shotguns-not so great if you have to move throughout your house due to small children being in other rooms

Compared to an AR? An AR is better to go room to room with? I was addressing using an AR to defend against a home invasion a few pages ago- this thing is moving fast.

Personally I like my XD45 and independent flashlight to a shotty or AR/AK if in town and have children in the house.

That said I live in the country and have spent far more time on E-Vile black guns and have a good deal of training using them in what was once called MOBA training. i have to smile at some of the schools of thought on house clearing but what the hey... most will never have to do so and the feeling of being prepared does have a value all it's own.

On topic-
Sen Feinstein was of course going to do this, I doubt it gets far, but every year a mass murder occurs and eventually regular folks, you know them as the people who don't conceal carry every where but in the shower, are going to want something done. firearm owners need to be prepared with more than, "what part of don't infringe do you not understand" or simply calling them morons, loons or some-such....

 

[Thrilla]

The difference is I do not like seeing someone that can take a gun that holds 25 bullets and reload that quick. I would love to see how long that person could reload using a revolver that holds six bullets.

it takes me a lil over a second to reload my revolver...just a fraction more than it takes me to change mags

this guy here is really really fast.. makes me look like i'm moving in slow motion.
http://http://splodetv.com/fast-revolver-reload

 

[TurtleDude]

Compared to an AR? An AR is better to go room to room with? I was addressing using an AR to defend against a home invasion a few pages ago- this thing is moving fast.

Personally I like my XD45 and independent flashlight to a shotty or AR/AK if in town and have children in the house.

That said I live in the country and have spent far more time on E-Vile black guns and have a good deal of training using them in what was once called MOBA training. i have to smile at some of the schools of thought on house clearing but what the hey... most will never have to do so and the feeling of being prepared does have a value all it's own.

On topic-
Sen Feinstein was of course going to do this, I doubt it gets far, but every year a mass murder occurs and eventually regular folks, you know them as the people who don't conceal carry every where but in the shower, are going to want something done. firearm owners need to be prepared with more than, "what part of don't infringe do you not understand" or simply calling them morons, loons or some-such....

handgun is the preferred weapon for that. especially if you might have to carry a small child.

 

[Bob N]

Under two seconds with a speed-loader. I carried a revolver as a cop and had to qual alongside guys using Glocks, firing the same course under the same time constraints.

Still it's six bullets. Sooner or later you're going to mess up in that situation.

 

[JayDubya]

We don't have to change the Constitution because the founders didn't include their intent, as you described it, in it so we can interpret it within the context of our current environment.

Do you not know basic sentence structure?

The intent / goal of the Second Amendment is written in the text of the Second Amendment!

 

[notquiteright]

Some eyes is meaningless-
MOST eyes means something.
Some eyes think civilians should be able to buy whatever 11Bush weaponry the military issues.... eace

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Compared to an AR? An AR is better to go room to room with?

Unless you've got a really short (18 inch) barrel, or one of those useless pistol grips, a shotgun is rather hard to manipulate in narrow doorways/hallways.

My Remington 870, with a 26" barrel, would be a close quarters nightmare. AR Carbines are much better for clearing rooms.

EDIT: The reason its my home defense gun, is because during a home invasion I'll not be clearing the house. Ill be in a locked room w/ the rest of my family, with it pointed at the door while I'm on the phone w/ 911.

 

[Goshin]

Still it's six bullets. Sooner or later you're going to mess up in that situation.

Thank you, that is why I need something better for self-defense. :mrgreen:

That is why I switched to semi-auto pistols with larger mag capacity.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Sir: two people using a Bushmaster in a school? Yeah. OK. :roll:

And how many cops that responded that day were carrying similar weapons? Hmmmm. Oh, but wait, they were trained and proficient. If one of the adults responding in the first minute had been armed, trained and proficient with, for the purpose of this argument, a Bushmaster, the same weapon the killer used, do you think there would have been more or less deaths. Why?

 

[Risky Thicket]

sort of hard to shoot skeet or flying ducks with a M4 rifle

Now THAT is real sport!

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Thank you, that is why I need something better for self-defense. :mrgreen:

That is why I switched to semi-auto pistols with larger mag capacity.

OT: But still, a shiny S&W or Ruger wheelgun is a damn pretty site.

 

[Bob N]

so you want victims to be handicapped because people planning murder will get the stuff they want

as to your question of revolvers

here you go

I have shot with this guy before

some of us are pretty fast-this guy is greased lightning . but many of us can get 16 shots off with an 8 shot revolver in under 5 seconds

First the targets are sitting still. And one must consider that any Joe Shomoe isn't going to do what that gentleman just did; that requires practice--something I'm sure the regular nut-job will fail to reproduce.

 

[SMTA]

If you get in the drug trade I guess you will see more than your fair share. :shrug:

It happens to the average citizen by no fault of their own.

Our local Sheriff and I have had drug discussions regularly - they are everywhere - and are a scourge against LE and citizens.

Obviously, you do not understand this.

 

[CalGun]

"need"

Very intriguing your say "need." The 2nd Amendment, as its been well stated here, was about protecting our liberty from a tyranical government. The
need was not target shooting, not hunting, but self defense. You are suggesting banning the very guns used for that "need."

So as I said, why would you condemn your children or theirs to a mass grave?

I'm not talking getting rid of every gun; I'm talking about getting rid of ones designed for combative purposes that citizens do not need.

 

[Bob N]

you forgot to differentiate between their uses....

there's a big ass difference between the aggressors intent and the defenders intent.

For those that live in a perfect world maybe, but I wouldn't want to use a Bushnell in a school where kids are running around to try and shoot an assailant.

 

[TurtleDude]

First the targets are sitting still. And one must consider that any Joe Shomoe isn't going to do what that gentleman just did; that requires practice--something I'm sure the regular nut-job will fail to reproduce.

a guy willing to kill people is going to get a high capacity magazine and maybe some bombs

you want the victims to be handicapped when they want to fight back

is it because you like seeing lots of dead bodies in order to advance your anti gun agenda

or are you fearful that armed citizens are less likely to cede their rights to the government in order to feel safer

or is it that you want to smugly tell yourself that you are "AGAINST VIOLENCE" and arguing for idiotic gun laws accomplishes that goal

 

[TurtleDude]

For those that live in a perfect world maybe, but I wouldn't want to use a Bushnell in a school where kids are running around to try and shoot an assailant.

Bushnell makes scopes, binoculars and microscopes. not much good against a nut job with a weapon

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Bushnell makes scopes, binoculars and microscopes. not much good against a nut job with a weapon

IKR, I kept reading "a Bushnell" wondering if they got into the weapons manufacturing business... The ignorance of anti-gunners makes it so hard to take their position seriously.

Tell me again about high (standard) capacity clips (magazines!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAGAZINES)

 

[Goshin]

For those that live in a perfect world maybe, but I wouldn't want to use a Bushnell in a school where kids are running around to try and shoot an assailant.

I would, because it is a precision firearm, suitable for shooting in a situation where you need to hit A and make sure you don't hit anything else.

Just because you have a hi-cap mag does not mean you must "spray bullets at random".

 

[TurtleDude]

Now THAT is real sport!

ever heard of Matt DRYKE-1984 Olympic skeet champion-we shot together in the 1991 Pan Am trials.
when he was 18 he was a PFC in the USAMU-at Benning and they sent him to the intercollegiate championships in Peoria Illinois. He shot a 25 straight in 16 yard trap with a remington 22 rifle!!