DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

[Chomsky]

LOL per typical Bloomberg, high on the rhetoric, short on facts when ut comes to bashing Trump.

I presented my evidence, perhaps you'd like to present yours?

 

[Rexedgar]

Well, it didn't tale long for me to find-out the Offices that Trump moved to smaller rural cities ended-up lacking adequate availability of qualified employees.

It's an interesting idea with (IMO) high appeal. Who doesn't want governance to better reflect their fellow Americans? But I think a little more research may have been warranted before I posted this one.

DC doesn’t either, it’s just easier to blend in with the herd there!

 

[Fearandloathing]

DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

"Too much power has accumulated in D.C., and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,” DeSantis said.

www.axios.com

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I think this is an interesting idea.

Obviously, close physical proximity promotes synergy. But is that as important with todays technology, as it was before?

I must say, I might be open to the concept of geographically decentralized federal government. No idea if it would work, or work efficiently. But, it's an interesting idea.

This is a debate from the 60's.

Decentralization of government was the theme in Canada and Europe in the 80's.

It doesn't work.

The inefficiencies are staggering. Duplication of everything is always a problem and with decentralizing it gets worse and computers actually make the situation worse as individuals start storing data for themselves as a central database becomes unreliable - unless there is ONE office responsible which creates backlogs.

De Santos is ideating and speeking without checking with his aids. Bad sign as America knows from Trump and they are said to be alike.

 

[reflechissez]

DC doesn’t either, it’s just easier to blend in with the herd there!

How do you figure?

 

[Rawley]

When you present an argument, I'll respond with one. *holds breath*

Backatcha

 

[Rawley]

Well, it didn't tale long for me to find-out the Offices that Trump moved to smaller rural cities ended-up lacking adequate availability of qualified employees.

Are you relying on that Bloomberg piece? Read it a bit closer.

 

[StillBallin75]

LOL per typical Bloomberg, high on the rhetoric, short on facts when ut comes to bashing Trump.

If you're a Trumpist you don't get to accuse others of being short on facts lmao.

So what's the problem with moving the several hundred thousand Federal Employees out the DC area into significantly cheaper spaces through the country?

Guarantee you if or when that happens the people already living there will cry about all the feds causing inflation in local housing markets and "we don't need no damn federal gubbmint here"

 

[Fearandloathing]

So what's the problem with moving the several hundred thousand Federal Employees out the DC area into significantly cheaper spaces through the country?

Because those 'cheaper places' will get expensive through demand

 

[Razoo]

DeSantis and his handler are too reckless. Trump is reckless. Kevin is reckless. Jordan, Robert, MtG etc etc ect
the house in general are reckless human beings.

If Indictments are handed down we'll see who is left. I see a large crowd of white collars who got duped are going to jail thinking they would receive pardons if they got caught.

 

[Chomsky]

Not everyone who disagrees with that is R. I'm sure smart people will figure out what is best.

A little research seems to show this centralizing idea, which I think is great in concept, has problems due to the lack in recruiting qualified employees in the small rural cities.

Which basically sucks, as it seems to re-enforce the rural brain-drain to the big cities. It's a viscous circle, I was hoping technology would break.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Any9be have any idea how much of government agencies are already decentralized? I find it hard to believe 500K civil servants all work in DC.
Having said that I believe the decentralization of civil servants to the various States is a good idea . .but my sense is DeSantis would use it as s reward to states sympathetic to him.

There are about 150,000 federal employees in the DC area - less than 8% of the federal worforce.

 

[Razoo]

Centralized government is easier to manage and more efficient. Otherwise we have too many humans running around blowing tax dollars on airplanes and such. Too many hours traveling.

 

[Liberal7360]

DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

"Too much power has accumulated in D.C., and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,” DeSantis said.

www.axios.com

--

I think this is an interesting idea.

Obviously, close physical proximity promotes synergy. But is that as important with todays technology, as it was before?

I must say, I might be open to the concept of geographically decentralized federal government. No idea if it would work, or work efficiently. But, it's an interesting idea.

We have a lot of federal offices that are no where near DC.

When my home and neighborhood was robbed and the criminal found, the FBI contacted me to return my property to me.

They were at least 3 thousand miles from DC on the exact opposite side of the continent.

Federal courts aren't all in DC either. Offices for senators and reps in the House are also in their home states.

Moving what is in DC out of DC is a very stupid idea. Not to mention a very expensive idea. It will cost billions.

It also gives desantis a chance to remove good people who work for the government to replace them with far right fascists like himself.

No thank you.

 

[ElChupacabra]

DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

"Too much power has accumulated in D.C., and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,” DeSantis said.

www.axios.com

--

I think this is an interesting idea.

Obviously, close physical proximity promotes synergy. But is that as important with todays technology, as it was before?

I must say, I might be open to the concept of geographically decentralized federal government. No idea if it would work, or work efficiently. But, it's an interesting idea.

So kind of like a corporation without a headquarters.


The idea itself has its merits I suppose, but his motivation doesn't really address the problem he seems to be concerned about though. Whether the Federal government is located in DC or anywhere else, the problem of power manifests isn't location specific. What is more in line with his concerns are reviewing the amount of power the Feds have versus where they're located. In this polarized age, there will be concerns around where this decentralized Federal government resides, which will likely be as equally divided as just about anything.

 

[Liberal7360]

he's more dangerous to America than trump.

In the bush boy years I thought of all the republican presidents from my lifetime. The only decent one was Eisenhower.

Then I realized, every republican president since Eisenhower has progressively been worse than the one before.

At the time I couldn't think of what was worse than the bush boy and didn't want to find out.

We found out.

The next republican president will be worse than trump.

The last better than decent republican president was Theodore Roosevelt.

 

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DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

"Too much power has accumulated in D.C., and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,” DeSantis said.

www.axios.com

--

I think this is an interesting idea.

Obviously, close physical proximity promotes synergy. But is that as important with todays technology, as it was before?

I must say, I might be open to the concept of geographically decentralized federal government. No idea if it would work, or work efficiently. But, it's an interesting idea.

Uhhh... it failed when Trump appointees Perdue @ Agriculture did it to the science/research branch and Zinke @ Interior did it to portion
of BLM.

https://www.kansascity.com › news › politics-government › article250889644.html

More than a year after USDA move to Kansas City, hundreds of positions ...​

Apr 25, 2021 The USDA reported in January to Port KC, the local agency that oversees its incentives, that the department had 334 full-time employees based in Kansas City between the two agencies — less than ...
...
a third of the agencies’ employees agreed to move. More than a year later, roughly 200 jobs remain vacant.
...
During an appearance before the House Appropriations Committee this month, Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack acknowledged the need to fill the jobs. But he hinted that some of the new hires would be in Washington rather than Kansas City. “There’s an aggressive effort to fill those positions,” Vilsack told lawmakers..."

https://www.npr.org › 2021 › 02 › 02 › 963207129 › usda-research-agencies-decimated-by-forced-move-undoing-the-damage-wont-be-easy

USDA Research Agencies 'Decimated' By Forced Move. Undoing The ... - NPR​

Feb 2, 2021Union Station and the Kansas City skyline are lit on Feb. 01, 2021 in Kansas City, Mo. In June 2019, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced its plan to move two of its research agencies out ...


https://www.kshb.com › news › local-news › 60-usda-employees-relocate-to-kansas-city-by-deadline-agency-says

60 USDA employees relocate to Kansas City by deadline - KSHB​

and last updated 12:26 PM, Oct 02, 2019. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Amid reports that the move of two U.S. Department of Agriculture agencies to Kansas City has delayed research reports and held up

https://www.npr.org › sections › thesalt › 2019 › 07 › 17 › 742519999 › future-of-key-farming-research-uncertain-as-2-3-of-usda-staff-say-they-wont-move

Scientists Desert USDA As Agency Relocates To Kansas City Area - NPR​

Jul 17, 2019 Scientists Desert USDA As Agency Relocates To Kansas City Area : The Salt The mandatory move imposed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture on most of the workers at two vital research agencies has ...

Disruption and much money wasted,

https://www.cpr.org › 2021 › 09 › 17 › blm-headquarters-move-back-to-dc

BLM Headquarters And Top Officials Will Move Back To Washington, DC ...​

Sep 17, 2021 The Bureau of Land Management is returning its top officials and headquarters to Washington, D.C., but keeping a western office in Grand Junction. BLM relocated its headquarters in 2020 from ...

https://www.eenews.net › articles › blm-details-plans-for-hq-move

BLM details plans for HQ move - E&E News​

Sep 8, 2022 The BLM report to Congress last year estimated that nearly 50 positions that were moved to Grand Junction and other states in the West as part of the Trump-era reorganization would move back to ...

 

[Razoo]

His authoritarian leanings are too strong for him to be trusted with an office as powerful as the US presidency.

you better believe it .......

 

[Chomsky]

DC doesn’t either, it’s just easier to blend in with the herd there!

I suspect D.C. & it's environs have a larger available pool of higher-level skillsets than many of the small rural towns & cities in the Hill article I posted.

Then there the draw for relocation. If you're going to bring employees in from elsewhere, the residing town or city has to hold reasonably broad desirability,

 

[Michael Cole]

Centralized government is easier to manage and more efficient. Otherwise we have too many humans running around blowing tax dollars on airplanes and such.

The "business model" so often championed by the right agrees with you. Corporations have headquarters for a reason.

"Hey, boss. Let's move accounting to Hilo."

"Sit down, Charles."

"Hayfork, California?"

"Sit down or I'm going to move you to the unemployment line."

 

[Rexedgar]

How do you figure?

I suspect D.C. & it's environs have a larger available pool of higher-level skillsets than many of the small rural towns & cities in the Hill article I posted.

Then there the draw for relocation. If you're going to bring employees in from elsewhere, the residing town or city has to hold reasonably broad desirability,

…….and affordability.

I forget where he is from, just elected, Frost, IIRC, denied credit to obtain housing, but that is veering off your topic……

 

[Lovebug]

A little research seems to show this centralizing idea, which I think is great in concept, has problems due to the lack in recruiting qualified employees in the small rural cities.

Which basically sucks, as it seems to re-enforce the rural brain-drain to the big cities. It's a viscous circle, I was hoping technology would break.

I think in the past being sent to a rural outpost was seen as punishment.

 

[Chomsky]

This is a debate from the 60's.

Decentralization of government was the theme in Canada and Europe in the 80's.

It doesn't work.

The inefficiencies are staggering. Duplication of everything is always a problem and with decentralizing it gets worse and computers actually make the situation worse as individuals start storing data for themselves as a central database becomes unreliable - unless there is ONE office responsible which creates backlogs.

De Santos is ideating and speeking without checking with his aids. Bad sign as America knows from Trump and they are said to be alike.

I was hoping technology could alleviate some of the older issues, as IMO the underlying idea has appeal.

It appears attracting qualified talent is a big problem.

And 'no', I didn't realize Canada had tried this.

BTW, I always thought Ottawa was in an out-of-the-way location of sorts.

 

[Chomsky]

We have a lot of federal offices that are no where near DC.

When my home and neighborhood was robbed and the criminal found, the FBI contacted me to return my property to me.

They were at least 3 thousand miles from DC on the exact opposite side of the continent.

Federal courts aren't all in DC either. Offices for senators and reps in the House are also in their home states.

Moving what is in DC out of DC is a very stupid idea. Not to mention a very expensive idea. It will cost billions.

It also gives desantis a chance to remove good people who work for the government to replace them with far right fascists like himself.

No thank you.

Agreed.

The idea has appeal, but DeSantis has his motives.

 

[Chomsky]

I think in the past being sent to a rural outpost was seen as punishment.

Yep.

But I'll say, if you enjoy or have roots in small town life, and you can pick-up local federal employment (if that's what you desire), it might be a sweet deal. You'd get the pay, benefits, stability, and retirement of a government employee, with the cost-of-living & housing of a smaller rural town.

If you like rural small-town life, and desire to work in someone else's employ, why not? It's gotta' beat working at the local Walmart.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

"Too much power has accumulated in D.C., and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,” DeSantis said.

www.axios.com

--

I think this is an interesting idea.

Obviously, close physical proximity promotes synergy. But is that as important with todays technology, as it was before?

I must say, I might be open to the concept of geographically decentralized federal government. No idea if it would work, or work efficiently. But, it's an interesting idea.

Eliminating Advanced Placement, emptying school libraries, threatening jail time if you say the word "woke", I just can't wait for the firing squads and return to slavery.