Deported to a strange land

[Dittohead not!]

What do we do about people like Angel who were brought to the US illegally as small children?

MEXICO CITY — To a Mexican ear, Angel Perez speaks Spanish like a foreigner. To an American, his English is pure Texas. His mother took him from Mexico to the United States when he was two years old and they settled in Graford, Texas, population 600. He graduated from high school there, got a job cutting cedar trees, met a young woman from a town nearby and had two kids. But last year, Perez, who didn’t have legal immigration papers, was deported. He found himself in Mexico City with close to nothing: His girlfriend and kids, his friends and his now-former job were all back in Texas.

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I've known people in the same position. Their English is American, their Spanish is limited, their knowledge of Mexico about the same as that of their American peers. Angel found work in Mexico, at a call center that had been outsourced from the US to Mexico.

Angel was featured on an episode of "This American Life" podcast. I listened to it while at the gym. Angel sounds just like most other Texans I've known.

This American Life episode.

What do you say, deport them anyway? Amnesty? Ignore them and hope they go away? send them to jobs in call centers in Mexico?

 

[Grand Mal]

Kind of cruel for the kids, their father gone.

 

[Tigger]

What do you say, deport them anyway? Amnesty? Ignore them and hope they go away? send them to jobs in call centers in Mexico?

Deport them. They are not American citizens.

My bigger question is how did an individual who has no legitimate status in the US even get into a school system, graduate, get a driver's license, a marraige license, and a job to begin with?

 

[Tigger]

Kind of cruel for the kids, their father gone.

They and the wife are more than free to go join him in his home country.

 

[Dittohead not!]

They and the wife are more than free to go join him in his home country.

The point is, Mexico is not his home country, nor is it theirs.

 

[Lutherf]

What do we do about people like Angel who were brought to the US illegally as small children?



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I've known people in the same position. Their English is American, their Spanish is limited, their knowledge of Mexico about the same as that of their American peers. Angel found work in Mexico, at a call center that had been outsourced from the US to Mexico.

Angel was featured on an episode of "This American Life" podcast. I listened to it while at the gym. Angel sounds just like most other Texans I've known.

This American Life episode.

What do you say, deport them anyway? Amnesty? Ignore them and hope they go away? send them to jobs in call centers in Mexico?

Well, he wouldn't be so lonely if we packed up his parents and sent them back too.

 

[Tigger]

The point is, Mexico is not his home country, nor is it theirs.

He is not legally a US Citizen. He was born in Mexico, and that makes Mexico his home country. Neither he nor his mother ever did anything to rectify their legal status, therefore he is not an American citizen and should not be allowed to avail himself of any of the benefits of US Citizenship.

At least I didn't suggested my true feelings, which are that the kids should be deported with him, since I don't believe anyone born to an illegal alien should be granted American citizenship, regardless of the status of the other parent. I also believe she should be deported either for failing to turn him in, or for gross stupidity in not finding out that he wasn't an American citizen.

 

[Grand Mal]

They and the wife are more than free to go join him in his home country.

Are you advocating illegal immigration?

 

[Grand Mal]

He is not legally a US Citizen. He was born in Mexico, and that makes Mexico his home country. Neither he nor his mother ever did anything to rectify their legal status, therefore he is not an American citizen and should not be allowed to avail himself of any of the benefits of US Citizenship.

At least I didn't suggested my true feelings, which are that the kids should be deported with him, since I don't believe anyone born to an illegal alien should be granted American citizenship, regardless of the status of the other parent. I also believe she should be deported either for failing to turn him in, or for gross stupidity in not finding out that he wasn't an American citizen.

Why would Mexico welcome American citizens? Should they camp out on the border?

 

[Tigger]

Are you advocating illegal immigration?

Why would Mexico welcome American citizens? Should they camp out on the border?

I never said Mexico had to, or even should take them. So far as I'm concerned the US policy on people like this should be like the bar at the end of the night..... You don't have to go to Mexico, but you can't stay here.

 

[Helix]

What do we do about people like Angel who were brought to the US illegally as small children?



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I've known people in the same position. Their English is American, their Spanish is limited, their knowledge of Mexico about the same as that of their American peers. Angel found work in Mexico, at a call center that had been outsourced from the US to Mexico.

Angel was featured on an episode of "This American Life" podcast. I listened to it while at the gym. Angel sounds just like most other Texans I've known.

This American Life episode.

What do you say, deport them anyway? Amnesty? Ignore them and hope they go away? send them to jobs in call centers in Mexico?

let them stay, and fix the everify system so that it covers every job in the US. the jobs are the draw.

i'm even ok with letting more people in. we did just fine when we had an Ellis Island type system, even though everyone assured us that the Irish and Italians would take all of the jobs and never assimilate. that turned out to be bunk, and the same arguments being made about Mexicans will be, too. however, if you want to stop illegal immigration, all hiring needs to go through everify, and the fines for violating the policy will have to be significant and nearly confiscatory before businesses will take it seriously.

 

[polgara]

Why would Mexico welcome American citizens? Should they camp out on the border?

The difference between Mexico and the US is that Mexico enforces their immigration laws in a way that leaves no doubt that you are not welcome if you are there illegally! Maybe the US could learn from "backward" Mexico, since they only allow people to enter who have the money to support themselves! Why do you suppose we only get the poor here illegally? Mexico is getting rid of those who have nothing, and we coddle them? The President of Mexico is laughing at the US....

Greetings, Grand Mal :2wave:

 

[Grand Mal]

The difference between Mexico and the US is that Mexico enforces their immigration laws in a way that leaves no doubt that you are not welcome if you are there illegally! Maybe the US could learn from "backward" Mexico, since they only allow people to enter who have the money to support themselves! Why do you suppose we only get the poor here illegally? Mexico is getting rid of those who have nothing, and we coddle them? The President of Mexico is laughing at the US....

Greetings, Grand Mal :2wave:

Remember the 'Mariel boatlift'? Any Cuban refugee was accepted into the US so Castro allowed prisoners and asylum inmates to leave by boat. They flooded Miami, were actually assisted at sea by the Navy, until the 'wet feet, dry feet' policy was brought in.

 

[ocean515]

What do we do about people like Angel who were brought to the US illegally as small children?



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I've known people in the same position. Their English is American, their Spanish is limited, their knowledge of Mexico about the same as that of their American peers. Angel found work in Mexico, at a call center that had been outsourced from the US to Mexico.

Angel was featured on an episode of "This American Life" podcast. I listened to it while at the gym. Angel sounds just like most other Texans I've known.

This American Life episode.

What do you say, deport them anyway? Amnesty? Ignore them and hope they go away? send them to jobs in call centers in Mexico?

Of course deport them anyway.

There is nothing heroic about illegal aliens, especially the ones so self centered they would threaten the future of their own children by bringing them to a foreign country where they could be kicked out at any moment. The problem is not for the US to solve, it's for these kids to solve on their own, since their parents are so pathetic.

This kid should tell his mother to screw herself, and he should get busy doing whatever is required to apply for a green card so he can enter the US legally.

 

[Moon]

I would like to see a way for these children to acquire legal status once they reach adulthood and demonstrate their willingness to be productive members of our society. The deadbeats and criminals can go back to wherever their parents brought them from.

 

[RiverDad]

The point is, Mexico is not his home country, nor is it theirs.

The counterpoint is that he wasn't INVITED into the American polity and so we don't OWE him anything. He BARGED in and IMPOSED himself on America.

We can feel sympathy for his plight, but the bad actor here isn't American society, it's his mother.

 

[RiverDad]

i'm even ok with letting more people in

Your commutes aren't long enough already? You want more people on the road with you? I don't. You want higher garbage collection fees because dump capacity is limited and more population leads to more garbage being dumped and higher fees are needed to depress the production of garbage? You want higher water bills because water reservoir capacity is limited and the more population living in a city the greater the demand for water so higher fees on water usage are designed to lower demand for water?

I was happy with American having a population of 200 or 250 million. We're now at 315 million. What's enough for you? 500 million? How about 1 billion. Where do you draw the line and say ENOUGH!

 

[Helix]

Your commutes aren't long enough already? You want more people on the road with you? I don't.

the roads need upgraded anyway. as for more people, the country started out with about three million. there are now three hundred and thirty million, and our economy has improved with the influx of people. i'd say that more people isn't bad for a consumer spending driven economy.

i'm not against some restrictions on immigration. i just think that we should consider tightening down employment requirements and loosening up the controls on legal immigration.

You want higher garbage collection fees because dump capacity is limited and more population leads to more garbage being dumped and higher fees are needed to depress the production of garbage? You want higher water bills because water reservoir capacity is limited and the more population living in a city the greater the demand for water so higher fees on water usage are designed to lower demand for water?

ah, spare me the outrage. i just don't care. the immigration system is screwed up and needs fixed. immigrants come to America, get treated like scum for a generation or two, and then their grandkids wail and moan about the next batch. rinse and repeat. if you want to solve the problem in the future, fine the hell out of anyone who hires someone outside of everify or subcontracts with an employment service that supplies illegal labor. you could build a wall to the moon around the entire US and it still won't stop immigration until businesses are given adequate motivation to actually utilize everify.

I was happy with American having a population of 200 or 250 million. We're now at 315 million. What's enough for you? 500 million? How about 1 billion. Where do you draw the line and say ENOUGH!

eight hundred and fifty trillion. wouldn't have much room to move, but the parties would be great. invest in red solo cups.

 

[RiverDad]

ah, spare me the outrage. i just don't care.

Interesting. What is the source of your city's unlimited water supply? Most cities have a finite capacity on their water reservoirs. Or are you suggesting that you're looking forward to having a daily allowance of 10 gallons of water for your family?

 

[APACHERAT]

What do we do about people like Angel who were brought to the US illegally as small children?

What about me ? I was born in America, a 5th generation American and I find myself today living in "a strange land" that looks and sounds more like Mexico.

 

[mak2]

Some buisness owner gave their daddy a job.

Deport them. They are not American citizens.

My bigger question is how did an individual who has no legitimate status in the US even get into a school system, graduate, get a driver's license, a marraige license, and a job to begin with?

 

[APACHERAT]

Deport them. They are not American citizens.

My bigger question is how did an individual who has no legitimate status in the US even get into a school system, graduate, get a driver's license, a marraige license, and a job to begin with?

Probably some community organiser (aka community agitator) along with ACORN should them how to continue breaking the law.

 

[mak2]

no, almost certainly some buisness owner (more than likely a Republican) gave him a job and paid him less than a minimum wage jsut to increase his profit. That is the real criminal.

Probably some community activist along with ACORN should them how to continue breaking the law.

 

[jamesrage]

What do we do about people like Angel who were brought to the US illegally as small children?



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I've known people in the same position. Their English is American, their Spanish is limited, their knowledge of Mexico about the same as that of their American peers. Angel found work in Mexico, at a call center that had been outsourced from the US to Mexico.

Angel was featured on an episode of "This American Life" podcast. I listened to it while at the gym. Angel sounds just like most other Texans I've known.

This American Life episode.

What do you say, deport them anyway? Amnesty? Ignore them and hope they go away? send them to jobs in call centers in Mexico?

1.Only a ****en moron or retard would believe that anyone who grew up in a Spanish speaking household has limited Spanish,especially if their parents came here illegally as adults with little to no English comprehension. Because if the parents know little to no English then they are speaking to their kids in Spanish. Anti-American pieces of **** post bi-lingual English/Spanish signs in many parts of the US because of the refusal of many who come here illegally to become proficient in English(notice I said proficient, not grammar fag/nazi or anal retentive English teacher).

2. Once an illegal turns 18 he or she is no longer here against their will. Therefore are just as guilty of being here illegally as their parents are. We can not allow exceptions to anyone just because their parents allegedly brought them here is small children.

 

[ecofarm]

(notice I said proficient, not grammar fag/nazi or anal retentive English teacher).

Grammar fag? What sense does that make. Anus talk as well, hmm.