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Dems or GOP monopoly, which one?

Do you want one main party?

  • Yes, Dems

    Votes: 15 19.5%
  • Yes, GOP

    Votes: 4 5.2%
  • No

    Votes: 44 57.1%
  • Depends

    Votes: 8 10.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • Total voters
    77
I am not the one running around selling woof tickets and bellowing like a Howler Monkey so I don't have to prove a damn thing.
Something's gotten under your skin or you would've already put me on ignore.

You know the truth when you here it, CS. You're just too confused and angry to walk away.
 
Something's gotten under your skin or you would've already put me on ignore.

You know the truth when you here it, CS. You're just too confused and angry to walk away.

How telling that you're proud of your trolling skillz.
Them's be mad skillz, bruh!
 
How telling that you're proud of your trolling skillz.
Them's be mad skillz, bruh!
Just stay tuned.

At some point you'll finally pull your head out of BLM's ass and will be happier for it. ;)
 
Because there's no such thing as "peacefully" with the Left. There is no compromise. It's either get onboard with them or they try to shout you down into submission. See, the Left has gotten so rabid that they leave zero room for a counter proposal.
That so? Yet here we are, the two of us talking. Give me an example of an issue that people are unwilling to discuss with you.
Now it's getting time to pull out our firearms and secure our rights before we don't have anymore rights.
And how will you discern friend from foe? Just shoot anyone who doesn't agree with you?
You don't have to mention any communistic principles; they just follow people like you wherever you go.
People like me? You mean, white, middle-aged, middle class, two kids and a dog, who likes to garden, woodwork, sail, hike, and play the guitar? Holy shit, you're right, I am a lunatic!
Yes, Mao did say that political power comes from the barrel of gun, but freedom comes by the same means. That's why we had the Revolutionary War.
Except that here we're talking about governance, not revolution. We have a country with a political system designed explicitly for us to work out our differences, peacefully. A lot of people have suffered and died to get us where we are. Giving up on that because it feels like it's more work to talk than to pull a trigger, to me, is spitting on their sacrifices. Getting along can be hard sometimes. Doesn't mean that it isn't worth the effort.
What we know is that wars are started for many different reasons. Some reasons (like simply wanting to be free) are good and just, while others (like implementing socialism or communism) are usually wildly unpopular with most, so it has to be installed by force, or war.
I'm curious. What system of government are you planning to install that's better than this one? Or are you planning just to kill everyone who disagrees with you, you know, like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and pretty much every other tyrant in history.
 
Until the DNC, mainstream media, Hollywood and all other leftwing strongholds purge themselves of their bias, misinformation, cruelty, ugliness, childish trolling, pedophilia, other forms of child abuse, divisiveness and fundamental hostility toward anyone with a differing opinion, then it's imperative that Conservatives be in control.

Yeah. That stuff. Thanks for the example.
 
That so? Yet here we are, the two of us talking. Give me an example of an issue that people are unwilling to discuss with you.

And how will you discern friend from foe? Just shoot anyone who doesn't agree with you?

People like me? You mean, white, middle-aged, middle class, two kids and a dog, who likes to garden, woodwork, sail, hike, and play the guitar? Holy shit, you're right, I am a lunatic!

Except that here we're talking about governance, not revolution. We have a country with a political system designed explicitly for us to work out our differences, peacefully. A lot of people have suffered and died to get us where we are. Giving up on that because it feels like it's more work to talk than to pull a trigger, to me, is spitting on their sacrifices. Getting along can be hard sometimes. Doesn't mean that it isn't worth the effort.

I'm curious. What system of government are you planning to install that's better than this one? Or are you planning just to kill everyone who disagrees with you, you know, like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and pretty much every other tyrant in history.
Did I say unwilling to discuss? Where did I say unwilling to discuss? I said there is no compromise. It's either the Left's way, or war. And war is where we're headed, unfortunately.

Is that how you would do it? lol

No, I mean the white, middle aged, middle class, two kids and a dog who likes to garden, woodwork, sail, hike, and play the guitar who withheld his gender for fear of offending the wrong person. ;)

No, we're talking about overstepping boundaries and the Left has gotten very good at that. What you don't understand are the more subtle forms of war. You're too busy being compliant with the Left.

The same system of government that you believe you're talking about, only I believe in our actual Republic, not change Barack Obama and other revisionists can believe in.
 
The Republican Party is anti-government. It's on its way down and out. Something will replace it. Parties go extinct; adapt or perish.
 
The Republican Party is anti-government. It's on its way down and out. Something will replace it. Parties go extinct; adapt or perish.

Unfortunately it is really not the party that is the problem. It is their voter base. That base will still be with us after trump, after the death of the Republican party, even after Mitch McConnell is gone.

That base has been so indoctrinated with misinformation from right wing propaganda sources they are a true and present danger to America. Even if we could eliminate all the lies and conspiracy theories coming out of right wing media it would take years to re-education these deplorable morons. I am not sure they won't have to just die off.
 
Did I say unwilling to discuss? Where did I say unwilling to discuss? I said there is no compromise. It's either the Left's way, or war. And war is where we're headed, unfortunately.
Oh please. You wrote, "It's either get onboard with them or they try to shout you down into submission." That's not discussion, is it? So give me an example of where the "left" is unwilling to compromise and the other side is.
Is that how you would do it? lol
Evasion of the question I asked.
No, I mean the white, middle aged, middle class, two kids and a dog who likes to garden, woodwork, sail, hike, and play the guitar who withheld his gender for fear of offending the wrong person. ;)
Um, my gender is in my description. I see you're quite the observer of detail. And you're still deflecting. "You people" is such a lame ass, passive aggressive phrase.
No, we're talking about overstepping boundaries and the Left has gotten very good at that. What you don't understand are the more subtle forms of war. You're too busy being compliant with the Left.
You have zero idea what I'm busy doing except for being on these boards. Overstepping boundaries? Could you be specific, or do you just want to shoot people for vaguely defined offenses?
I understand subtle forms of war very well, having been a student of military history since my teens.
The same system of government that you believe you're talking about, only I believe in our actual Republic, not change Barack Obama and other revisionists can believe in.
Again, specificity is our friend. Change? What kind of change do you find so threatening? Revisionists in what way?
 
Oh please. You wrote, "It's either get onboard with them or they try to shout you down into submission." That's not discussion, is it? So give me an example of where the "left" is unwilling to compromise and the other side is.

Evasion of the question I asked.

Um, my gender is in my description. I see you're quite the observer of detail. And you're still deflecting. "You people" is such a lame ass, passive aggressive phrase.

You have zero idea what I'm busy doing except for being on these boards. Overstepping boundaries? Could you be specific, or do you just want to shoot people for vaguely defined offenses?
I understand subtle forms of war very well, having been a student of military history since my teens.

Again, specificity is our friend. Change? What kind of change do you find so threatening? Revisionists in what way?
The point is, there is no room for compromise on the Left.

OK, let's reverse Roe v Wade and leave it up to each state to decide. What do you say?

Oh, there is no evasion. You asked a silly question that doesn't deserve an answer. I will say that it won't be anywhere near cut and dried like you think.

So? "Male" or "Female" automatically comes up when someone self describes. It's standard practice. But being the sensitive Biden/Harris supporter that you are, you respectfully left your gender out.

I have a very good idea where you stand politically, and that's all that really matters.

You understand what you've read, not what's coming.

Abortion law, Reparations (in the 21st century, for God's sake), gay marriage, decriminalizing border crossings, decriminalizing drug use, ever increasing taxes on the wealthy, taking over healthcare, and that's just off the top of my head.
 
The point is, there is no room for compromise on the Left.
You certainly are uncompromising in your opinion of the "left", as if it were some monolithic entity. It's funny because I would argue that there is no room for compromise in the Republican Party, which is undergoing a purge of anyone who doesn't toe the party line. The Democrats, in contrast, are a big tent party with all kinds of factions who disagree with each other.
OK, let's reverse Roe v Wade and leave it up to each state to decide. What do you say?
I am certainly willing to have a discussion about abortion. Start a thread.
Oh, there is no evasion. You asked a silly question that doesn't deserve an answer. I will say that it won't be anywhere near cut and dried like you think.
You wrote, "Now it's getting time to pull out our firearms and secure our rights before we don't have anymore rights." I asked whom you would be using the firearms against to secure your rights. I don't think it's a silly question at all. Yet you still won't answer it.
So? "Male" or "Female" automatically comes up when someone self describes. It's standard practice. But being the sensitive Biden/Harris supporter that you are, you respectfully left your gender out.
How did I leave gender out? My description next to my posts says ,"Male." You just perhaps cannot admit that you didn't notice it? And I was not a fan of the Biden/Harris ticket; they were pretty my last choice among the serious candidates. I voted against Trump.
I have a very good idea where you stand politically, and that's all that really matters.
Actually, you don't.
You understand what you've read, not what's coming.
Warfare is warfare. There's nothing new under the sun in terms of strategy.
Abortion law, Reparations (in the 21st century, for God's sake), gay marriage, decriminalizing border crossings, decriminalizing drug use, ever increasing taxes on the wealthy, taking over healthcare, and that's just off the top of my head.
Interesting list. I'll pick one.
Gay marriage. Let's start a thread on that as well. My question: why do you care if two gay people are allowed to enter into a contract under state law that previously only two people of different genders could enter into? How does that threaten you?

Here's my list of changes I find threatening: the destruction of the middle class and the massive disparities in wealth in the US; the deterioration of public education; a shift away from national service to a volunteer military; the inability of the political parties to work together to address national problems; millions of my fellow citizens lacking access to affordable health care; the attention economy and the handover of privacy to tech firms; climate change; people who don't understand and support the rule of law in our political system.
 
Democrats lately seem to want to completely eliminate the Republican Party as a danger to society as anit-vaxxers, insurrectionists, and racists. And the GOP has delusions of voting malfeasance and the flooding of immigrants while calling the Dems socialists hell-bent on destroying democracy.

Do you believe either Party should be completely eliminated or marginalized for the sake of the country and world? Then we'd have a one-party rule with no obstacles, alternatives, or objections to legislating and enacting their agenda.
In the past many decades Americans have, most of the time, voted in a way that neither party has total and complete power. Whenever they did voters have voted it out ASAP. That's what both parties don't understand. Most Americans don't want either party having total control. In fact, utter and complete gridlock with nothing being accomplished seems to be preferable to most Americans than one party rule. Whenever one party gains control they arrogantly believe it will last forever.
 
You certainly are uncompromising in your opinion of the "left", as if it were some monolithic entity. It's funny because I would argue that there is no room for compromise in the Republican Party, which is undergoing a purge of anyone who doesn't toe the party line. The Democrats, in contrast, are a big tent party with all kinds of factions who disagree with each other.

I am certainly willing to have a discussion about abortion. Start a thread.

You wrote, "Now it's getting time to pull out our firearms and secure our rights before we don't have anymore rights." I asked whom you would be using the firearms against to secure your rights. I don't think it's a silly question at all. Yet you still won't answer it.

How did I leave gender out? My description next to my posts says ,"Male." You just perhaps cannot admit that you didn't notice it? And I was not a fan of the Biden/Harris ticket; they were pretty my last choice among the serious candidates. I voted against Trump.

Actually, you don't.

Warfare is warfare. There's nothing new under the sun in terms of strategy.

Interesting list. I'll pick one.
Gay marriage. Let's start a thread on that as well. My question: why do you care if two gay people are allowed to enter into a contract under state law that previously only two people of different genders could enter into? How does that threaten you?

Here's my list of changes I find threatening: the destruction of the middle class and the massive disparities in wealth in the US; the deterioration of public education; a shift away from national service to a volunteer military; the inability of the political parties to work together to address national problems; millions of my fellow citizens lacking access to affordable health care; the attention economy and the handover of privacy to tech firms; climate change; people who don't understand and support the rule of law in our political system.
Yes, but your "tent party" is fast becoming an umbrella for one group -- sort of like Mr. Smith duplicating himself in the Matrix.

Nope. I just gave you a reasonable compromise. The Left wants legal abortions everywhere and the Right wants legal abortions nowhere. Reasonable compromise is to let each state decide. You either get onboard with this one, or come up with an equivalent compromise of your own. There is no "let's discuss it in a thread" bullshit because we both know the discussion will eventually fizzle out and nothing will get done.

You left it out in your response to me when you should've included it automatically, without even thinking about it. You can't tell me that you excluded your gender because you were already thinking about what's listed beneath your icon. lol

Actually I do. You voted for Biden, Obama and Mrs. Clinton and you would've voted for Mr. Clinton had you been old enough at the time.

Gay Marriage: Reasonable compromise would've been offering Civil Unions with the same rights married couples get. Of course, you're already giving pushback on this one because you swing Left and you hate compromise. lol

Yes, warfare IS warfare, and you will see it in your lifetime, unfortunately.

We'll save your list for another time. Right now we're discussing your inability to compromise. ;)
 
Yes, but your "tent party" is fast becoming an umbrella for one group -- sort of like Mr. Smith duplicating himself in the Matrix.
Not my party - but what group is it becoming an umbrella for?
Nope. I just gave you a reasonable compromise. The Left wants legal abortions everywhere and the Right wants legal abortions nowhere. Reasonable compromise is to let each state decide. You either get onboard with this one, or come up with an equivalent compromise of your own. There is no "let's discuss it in a thread" bullshit because we both know the discussion will eventually fizzle out and nothing will get done.
So, you're not willing to have a conversation because you think the outcome is predetermined. Wow, talk about no compromise. I suggested another thread so as not to thread crap this one. What's interesting to me is that you generalize into grand left and right abstractions, when this is a discussion between two people, not two parties or two political movements. I have given abortion question a lot of thought, and I come at it from quite a different viewpoint than anything you have suggested so far. But hey, if you're afraid to have a real conversation, I won't force you.

You left it out in your response to me when you should've included it automatically, without even thinking about it. You can't tell me that you excluded your gender because you were already thinking about what's listed beneath your icon. lol
According to you, I should've included it. I didn't because it was, you know, already there. So yes, I can tell you that exactly. But more to the point, what on earth does gender have to do with being a Marxist? It's not a relevant piece of information.
Actually I do. You voted for Biden, Obama and Mrs. Clinton and you would've voted for Mr. Clinton had you been old enough at the time.
I was old enough and I did vote for Clinton in 92, something I later came to regret. Bush Sr. would have been better. See? You know **** all about me. Especially, why I voted the way I did.
Gay Marriage: Reasonable compromise would've been offering Civil Unions with the same rights married couples get. Of course, you're already giving pushback on this one because you swing Left and you hate compromise. lol
See, you're not answering the question as to why you opposed gay marriage in the first place. Without that info how can I understand the compromise?
Yes, warfare IS warfare, and you will see it in your lifetime, unfortunately.
You're assuming I haven't already. But go ahead, keep making all the assumptions you feel necessary so that you don't have to interact with me as I am rather than as you want to project me to be.
 
Not my party - but what group is it becoming an umbrella for?

So, you're not willing to have a conversation because you think the outcome is predetermined. Wow, talk about no compromise. I suggested another thread so as not to thread crap this one. What's interesting to me is that you generalize into grand left and right abstractions, when this is a discussion between two people, not two parties or two political movements. I have given abortion question a lot of thought, and I come at it from quite a different viewpoint than anything you have suggested so far. But hey, if you're afraid to have a real conversation, I won't force you.


According to you, I should've included it. I didn't because it was, you know, already there. So yes, I can tell you that exactly. But more to the point, what on earth does gender have to do with being a Marxist? It's not a relevant piece of information.

I was old enough and I did vote for Clinton in 92, something I later came to regret. Bush Sr. would have been better. See? You know **** all about me. Especially, why I voted the way I did.

See, you're not answering the question as to why you opposed gay marriage in the first place. Without that info how can I understand the compromise?

You're assuming I haven't already. But go ahead, keep making all the assumptions you feel necessary so that you don't have to interact with me as I am rather than as you want to project me to be.
The Left, of course. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

There's an entire section for abortion in this very forum. Were you not aware of this? Why would you insist on discussing this any further when we both know pretty much every argument has been thrown out there? We're talking about actual compromise on the Roe v Wade decision. Where are you with that?

Typical responsiveness would've gotten your gender up there. You withheld it deliberately.

You voted for Clinton. That's all that matters and it proves I'm right about you.

Again, we're talking about compromise: the Left wants gay marriage and the Right doesn't. Are you trying to tell me that you understand the Left's reasoning for marriage and not the Right's reasoning? Or are you trying to tell me that in all the years this battle was going on, you didn't even get to hear one point made from the Right? lol

There's a lot you don't understand. Just keep following my content and you'll be stunned over how Left and uncompromising you really are.
 
The Left, of course. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
Are you being intentionally vague? I try to avoid at all costs terms like left right liberal conservative socialist libertarian and so on because there’s so much variation within each of those groups that it scares what any individual person might believe.
There's an entire section for abortion in this very forum. Were you not aware of this? Why would you insist on discussing this any further when we both know pretty much every argument has been thrown out there? We're talking about actual compromise on the Roe v Wade decision. Where are you with that?
Yes I am aware there is an abortion section but I don’t have the interest in waiting into a 40 or 50 page long discussion that has been going on already for months. Any case I’m interested in what you have to say and I’m willing to discuss it, in a separate thread.
Typical responsiveness would've gotten your gender up there. You withheld it deliberately.
That’s not so subtle way of calling me a liar not to mention ignoring what I’ve already written.
You voted for Clinton. That's all that matters and it proves I'm right about you.
It proves that you’re right that I voted for Clinton, that’s about it.
Are you trying to tell me that you understand the Left's reasoning for marriage and not the Right's reasoning?
I’ve heard lots of arguments on both sides. I’m interested in what you think. I don’t let other people speak for me and I assume that you don’t either.
Just keep following my content and you'll be stunned over how Left and uncompromising you really are.
Your content tends to be abrasive to the point of abusive, lacking facts and references, mired in self-righteousness and thoroughly uncompromising.I was hoping to give you a chance to prove yourself different.
 
Democrats lately seem to want to completely eliminate the Republican Party as a danger to society as anit-vaxxers, insurrectionists, and racists. And the GOP has delusions of voting malfeasance and the flooding of immigrants while calling the Dems socialists hell-bent on destroying democracy.

Do you believe either Party should be completely eliminated or marginalized for the sake of the country and world? Then we'd have a one-party rule with no obstacles, alternatives, or objections to legislating and enacting their agenda.
American does not need what the Republican Party has become... They ARE NOT the Party that Lincoln built and led to the respect of the United States as a Unified Nations of States.

Democrats support THE PREAMBLE, AND THEY WORK TO RECTIFY THE BASTARDIZATION that has been done to the Constitution and the vile Mis-Representation that White Nationalist Republican continues to try to do to damage it and the nation, all because they want what the Confederacy Tried To Create.

We don't need two parties... ALL We Need is an EDUCATED AMERICAN PEOPLE, who vote for policy and programming, by being informed of policy and programming... and that does not require the existence of Party...

The Democrats can easily dissolve Party and promote "Unity for American Democracy" .... and those who love Democracy... becomes backers and supporters for "Unity for American Democracy.
Republican the only they can do is continue trying to recreate the White Nationalist Confederacy... which they won't succeed.

American Democracy was not designed to have a Divide and Distort system of 'Political Party's" - they serve no purpose other than weakening the nation by the divide created by their very existence. We NEED EDUCATED AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO VOTE... BASED ON "POLICY, PERIOD!!!! and the people vote for the Policy they know and understand and ensure the person who supports that policy.

We no longer need an Electoral College - We need "Individual, as Persons" to vote... One Person, One Vote! and the one with the most Votes "WIN" !!! We don't need to be second guessed by "Electors"... Once we get rid of that, then there can be no more of this Republicanism trying to damage the Voting System.

The only reason parties exist is because the wealthy (Republicanism) vs the working class (Democrats). The Democrats long ago stop being what the Former Dixiecrats had made it for decades... those white nationalist who were the Dixiecrats long ago took their agenda and dominated the Republican Party... and Democrats for the past 60+ yrs have been for American Democracy, Respect for Diversity, Respect for The Values and Principles to be Equal and Fair For All and Unto All.

(Right Winger types of White people, who support racism and worship for Wealthy Corporations over respect for the people), have been the hell makers in this nation for centuries and decades). No other ethnicity of people in this nations have done the savagery that these types have done repeatedly over the long history of America as a Nation. The young people know it, and they will not allow it to be the future they will create.
 
Are you being intentionally vague? I try to avoid at all costs terms like left right liberal conservative socialist libertarian and so on because there’s so much variation within each of those groups that it scares what any individual person might believe.

Yes I am aware there is an abortion section but I don’t have the interest in waiting into a 40 or 50 page long discussion that has been going on already for months. Any case I’m interested in what you have to say and I’m willing to discuss it, in a separate thread.

That’s not so subtle way of calling me a liar not to mention ignoring what I’ve already written.

It proves that you’re right that I voted for Clinton, that’s about it.

I’ve heard lots of arguments on both sides. I’m interested in what you think. I don’t let other people speak for me and I assume that you don’t either.

Your content tends to be abrasive to the point of abusive, lacking facts and references, mired in self-righteousness and thoroughly uncompromising.I was hoping to give you a chance to prove yourself different.
OK, so you're neither a democrat nor a republican; you simply are. That's quaint.

You don't have to wade through 40 or 50 pages of content. You simply have to state where you stand with abortion and state whether you think my idea of compromise is reasonable or unreasonable.

Just tell me that you didn't intentionally leave out your gender and I'll accept that.

Are you trying to tell me that you haven't voted straight democrat since 1992?

I'm interested in discussing the compromises, only. Do you want to speak to those compromises or do you want to continue running interference?

My content is to the point and holds little room for bullshit. Either you agree with the compromises I've spoken to or you agree that you have no room for compromise. Which one is it?
 
OK, so you're neither a democrat nor a republican; you simply are. That's quaint.

You don't have to wade through 40 or 50 pages of content. You simply have to state where you stand with abortion and state whether you think my idea of compromise is reasonable or unreasonable.

Just tell me that you didn't intentionally leave out your gender and I'll accept that.

Are you trying to tell me that you haven't voted straight democrat since 1992?

I'm interested in discussing the compromises, only. Do you want to speak to those compromises or do you want to continue running interference?

My content is to the point and holds little room for bullshit. Either you agree with the compromises I've spoken to or you agree that you have no room for compromise. Which one is it?

Agreeing with you has nothing to do with compromise
 
Agreeing with you has nothing to do with compromise
Slow down, rick. Did you want to chime in on compromise or are you just pissed off?
 
Democrats lately seem to want to completely eliminate the Republican Party as a danger to society as anit-vaxxers, insurrectionists, and racists. And the GOP has delusions of voting malfeasance and the flooding of immigrants while calling the Dems socialists hell-bent on destroying democracy.

Do you believe either Party should be completely eliminated or marginalized for the sake of the country and world? Then we'd have a one-party rule with no obstacles, alternatives, or objections to legislating and enacting their agenda.
In the short term, there is no other real choice. The Republican party has gone full Nazi now and cannot be trusted with any level of power in this country.
Long term, I would like to see us move to a system of Ranked Choice Voting. That would virtually eliminate the two-party system as it currently exists and force all politicians to be more reasonable.
 
Slow down, rick. Did you want to chime in on compromise or are you just pissed off?

Not pissed off. What you propose is not compromise. It is just typical right wing positions on your issues. I don't agree with any of them. I also see no path to compromise with the right.
 
Not pissed off. What you propose is not compromise. It is just typical right wing positions on your issues. I don't agree with any of them. I also see no path to compromise with the right.
But you do agree with the Left's position. Where is the compromise in that?
 
But you do agree with the Left's position. Where is the compromise in that?

Like I said there is no path to compromise with the right.

Which party has control of congress and the backing of the Supreme Court will be the decider.
 
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