Dempsey: US Ground Combat Troops Possible in Islamic State Fight

[Navy Pride]

In all my 46 years government service (21 Navy and 25 Gov.) I have never seen so many Generals and Admirals speak out against the foreign policy of a Commander in Chief.....Why doesn't Obama let the people who know what they are doing make the decisions?


Dempsey: US Ground Combat Troops Possible in Islamic State Fight | Military.com

 

[Jetboogieman]

.Why doesn't Obama let the people who know what they are doing make the decisions?

Because we're not a ****ing military dictatorship navy.

 

[Navy Pride]

Because we're not a ****ing military dictatorship navy.

They would still answer to the Commander in Chief...The problem your daddy the CIC is clueless when it comes to foreign policy......Even a far lefty like you has to admit that.

 

[APACHERAT]

In all my 46 years government service (21 Navy and 25 Gov.) I have never seen so many Generals and Admirals speak out against the foreign policy of a Commander in Chief.....Why doesn't Obama let the people who know what they are doing make the decisions?


Dempsey: US Ground Combat Troops Possible in Islamic State Fight | Military.com

Over 200 of them have already been purged (fired) by Obama in the past six years. And there are still more military flag officers upholding the oath they took and are telling Obama he doesn't know what the **** he is doing and that he's a national risk if he keeps listening to Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice who have been dicraing what our military strategey will be and what tactics will be used on the battle field.

You would think they would have opened their eyes after more American soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan in less than the first four years of the Obama administration than during the entire eight years of the Bush administration. Nope and they will not explain.

As Obama's former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates put it, Obama doesn't trust the U.S. military (those who serve and it's commanders) That "Obama doesn't consider the war in Afghanistan as his."

Wouldn't surprise me if Obama doesn't consider ISIS/ISIL as his problem either.

Obama doesn't even trust the Marines at the Marine Barrack in D.C. and had them remove the bolts from their rifles.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

In all my 46 years government service (21 Navy and 25 Gov.) I have never seen so many Generals and Admirals speak out against the foreign policy of a Commander in Chief.....Why doesn't Obama let the people who know what they are doing make the decisions?

Dempsey: US Ground Combat Troops Possible in Islamic State Fight | Military.com

I get they have a problem with the view, but the Military's job is the carry out the orders in chief, not go around him to the media and try to make policy. I would think NP that you being so long in the Navy, would know once your commanding officer has given the order, you don't go off, find a reporter, and tell him off.

 

[APACHERAT]

Because we're not a ****ing military dictatorship navy.

Valerie Jarrett seems to think she's in command of the military.

When Valerie Jarrett thought she was part of the military chain of command issuing orders to flag officers, one general told her she couldn't issue orders, that she's not part of the military chain of command.

Ms. Jarrett's response was " I thought the civilians ran the military" ?

The general replied "Your correct, civilians do run the military but your not that civilian." :lamo

 

[Hamster Buddha]

Over 200 of them have already been purged (fired) by Obama in the past six years. And there are still more military flag officers upholding the oath they took and are telling Obama he doesn't know what the **** he is doing and that he's a national risk if he keeps listening to Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice who have been dicraing what our military strategey will be and what tactics will be used on the battle field.

You would think they would have opened their eyes after more American soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan in less than the first four years of the Obama administration than during the entire eight years of the Bush administration. Nope and they will not explain.

As Obama's former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates put it, Obama doesn't trust the U.S. military (those who serve and it's commanders) That "Obama doesn't consider the war in Afghanistan as his."

Wouldn't surprise me if Obama doesn't consider ISIS/ISIL as his problem either.

Obama doesn't even trust the Marines at the Marine Barrack in D.C. and had them remove the bolts from their rifles.

Uh that's not true and we know it. Obama said time and time again how Afghanistan was "the good war" during his original campaign. I get the level of distrust and I agree that is there, but it's unfair to say he didn't want to fight in Afghanistan. He never had to sign off on the surge, and there were plenty in his cabinet that didn't want it to happened.

 

[Jango]

They would still answer to the Commander in Chief...The problem your daddy the CIC is clueless when it comes to foreign policy......Even a far lefty like you has to admit that.

We haven't had a CIC that was a maestro in foreign policy nor the Secretary of State in some years, but to Obama's credit: he knows how to kill people one drone strike or special forces raid at a time. He decides who to kill on Tuesday mornings. Sure, he may be unanchoring our superiority, but I do have faith that if someone harms us, he won't hesitate to have a mother****er permanently excommunicated ricky tick. And that willingness to extinguish extends to Americans, even in the homeland. Anyway, foreign policy, geopolitics, international relations and diplomacy is not so much words and actions as it is an art form to be mastered, in other words, it is difficult to pull off in our ever changing globalized society that is hyper-competitive and moves along at a pace that the Flash couldn't keep up with. And if you can't respect the man then at least respect the office. "Now hear this...now hear this, We are at War, all hands on deck :2usflag:

 

[APACHERAT]

Uh that's not true and we know it. Obama said time and time again how Afghanistan was "the good war" during his original campaign. I get the level of distrust and I agree that is there, but it's unfair to say he didn't want to fight in Afghanistan. He never had to sign off on the surge, and there were plenty in his cabinet that didn't want it to happened.

Robert Gates, former defence secretary, delivers damning critique of the president's handling of the Afghan war

>" He described a poisonous relationship between the White House and US generals and said he was often "seething" as Mr Obama's aides engaged "in condescending and insulting questioning of our military leaders"..."<

>" "As I sat there, I thought: the president doesn’t trust his commander, can’t stand [Afghanistan President Hamid] Karzai, doesn’t believe in his own strategy, and doesn’t consider the war to be his..."<

If you haven't read the book yet, just a teaser. -> Robert Gates says Barack Obama lost faith in US strategy in Afghanistan - Telegraph

 

[Hamster Buddha]

Robert Gates, former defence secretary, delivers damning critique of the president's handling of the Afghan war

>" He described a poisonous relationship between the White House and US generals and said he was often "seething" as Mr Obama's aides engaged "in condescending and insulting questioning of our military leaders"..."<

>" "As I sat there, I thought: the president doesn’t trust his commander, can’t stand [Afghanistan President Hamid] Karzai, doesn’t believe in his own strategy, and doesn’t consider the war to be his..."<

If you haven't read the book yet, just a teaser. -> Robert Gates says Barack Obama lost faith in US strategy in Afghanistan - Telegraph

I don't consider Robert Gates to be a neutral observer in this. Everyone can see the writing on the wall when it comes to Afghanistan, and this could just be a way of him looking to scapegoat. Look, to me, actions speak a lot louder than words. And the one thing you can't deny, is that when it came between siding with the generals, or with Biden and his folks, he did go with the General. I'll agree there was a lot of reluctance (Seriously, who does like Karzi?), and that he was even anti-military. The other thing to keep in mind is that, he could of wiped the slate clean from the Bush Wars, but instead, held over people like Gates and Patraeus (sp?).

 

[APACHERAT]

I don't consider Robert Gates to be a neutral observer in this. Everyone can see the writing on the wall when it comes to Afghanistan, and this could just be a way of him looking to scapegoat. Look, to me, actions speak a lot louder than words. And the one thing you can't deny, is that when it came between siding with the generals, or with Biden and his folks, he did go with the General. I'll agree there was a lot of reluctance (Seriously, who does like Karzi?), and that he was even anti-military. The other thing to keep in mind is that, he could of wiped the slate clean from the Bush Wars, but instead, held over people like Gates and Patraeus (sp?).

Robert Gates just like Leo Panetta are professional yes men, non partisan. Both have honorably served under both Republican and Democrat administrations.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

Robert Gates just like Leo Panetta are professional yes men, non partisan. Both have honorably served under both Republican and Democrat administrations.

And yet both are still politicians. Like I said before, and I think you'll agree, actions speak louder than words. And Obama did side with the Generals against his other advisers when it came to the surge in Afghanistan. Even if your right and it's something he didn't want to do, the fact that he did it anyways speaks to something about being able to swallow his pride and go along with his military advisers doesn't it?

 

[APACHERAT]

I don't consider Robert Gates to be a neutral observer in this. Everyone can see the writing on the wall when it comes to Afghanistan, and this could just be a way of him looking to scapegoat. Look, to me, actions speak a lot louder than words. And the one thing you can't deny, is that when it came between siding with the generals, or with Biden and his folks, he did go with the General. ).

There are over 200 flag and field grade officers who have been purged by the Obama administration who see it differently.

Please explain why Obama fired Gen. Mattis ? The argument that Obama hasn't been purging the U.S. Military Officers Corps ended any argument that Obama hasn't been purging the Officers Corps for the past six year in the name of social engineering. Why was Gen. Mattis fired ???

Obama just doesn't trust the U.S. military but he doesn't respect those who wear the uniform.

Ammunition being removed from all military installations with in the D.C. area.

Marines being ordered to remove the bolts from their rifles.

Trying to have Marines wear girly hats.

Ordering U.S. Marines to violate their own orders that Marines can not hold umbrellas.

Ordering that drag queens be allowed to do their thing on military bases.

Ordering that political activists (only leftist) be able to set up political booths on military bases.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

There are over 200 flag and field grade officers who have been purged by the Obama administration who see it differently.

Please explain why Obama fired Gen. Mattis ? The argument that Obama hasn't been purging the U.S. Military Officers Corps ended any argument that Obama hasn't been purging the Officers Corps for the past six year in the name of social engineering. Why was Gen. Mattis fired ???

Obama just doesn't trust the U.S. military but he doesn't respect those who wear the uniform.

Ammunition being removed from all military installations with in the D.C. area.

Marines being ordered to remove the bolts from their rifles.

Trying to have Marines wear girly hats.

Ordering U.S. Marines to violate their own orders that Marines can not hold umbrellas.

Ordering that drag queens be allowed to do their thing on military bases.

Ordering that political activists (only leftist) be able to set up political booths on military bases.

Never said he liked the military. And that's what made his decision to side with them in the debate, instead of his VP and political advisers, even more interesting, to say the least.

 

[APACHERAT]

And yet both are still politicians.

:lamo

Gates and Panetta are not politicians. Both are A-Political when they are on the job. Both are highly respected by both the Democrats and Republicans no matter who or what administration they are working for.

 

[APACHERAT]

Never said he liked the military. And that's what made his decision to side with them in the debate, instead of his VP and political advisers, even more interesting, to say the least.

When did Obama ever listened to the military ?

Obama only listens to Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and Samantha Power's when it comes to America's national security and how the U.S. military should be used. In laymen terms the purpose of the U.S. military is for liberal social engineering experimentation.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

:lamo

Gates and Panetta are not politicians. Both are A-Political when they are on the job. Both are highly respected by both the Democrats and Republicans no matter who or what administration they are working for.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Gates. I was very pleased when Obama kept him over from the Bush Administration. Just saying that they are, by definition, politicians. Maybe that's unfair, whatever that class is that has the likes of Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and all those political types.

When did Obama ever listened to the military ?

Obama only listens to Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and Samantha Power's when it comes to America's national security and how the U.S. military should be used. In laymen terms the purpose of the U.S. military is for liberal social engineering experimentation.

Did you miss the whole Afghanistan Debate? Were you asleep? Perhaps on vacation somewhere with no access to technology?

 

[APACHERAT]

Don't get me wrong, I do like Gates. I was very pleased when Obama kept him over from the Bush Administration. Just saying that they are, by definition, politicians. Maybe that's unfair, whatever that class is that has the likes of Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice and all those political types.



Did you miss the whole Afghanistan Debate? Were you asleep? Perhaps on vacation somewhere with no access to technology?

I was just saying that both Gates and Panetta are yes men. Gates said he gave Obama a pass in his book, he could have gone further emarrassing the Obama administration but didn't..

Panetta after going back into the private sector has only been interviewed a couple of times. Bush's policies probably led to finding Osama bin Laden and Obama was completely out of the loop taking down Bin Laden.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

I was just saying that both Gates and Panetta are yes men. Gates said he gave Obama a pass in his book, he could have gone further emarrassing the Obama administration but didn't..

Panetta after going back into the private sector has only been interviewed a couple of times. Bush's policies probably led to finding Osama bin Laden and Obama was completely out of the loop taking down Bin Laden.

And the Afghanistan Debate?

 

[APACHERAT]

And the Afghanistan Debate?

You'll have to enlighten me on which "Afghanistan debate" you're refrring to.

The war in Afghanistan was won until it was politicized.

I watched yesterday on C-Span when the usual leftist in the gallery of Congress tried to politicize our war against ISIS/ISIL. I'll give John Kerry a thumbs up for at least telling those libs to open their eyes and look at who ISIS/ISIL are.

 

[apdst]

Because we're not a ****ing military dictatorship navy.

Who's, "we"?

 

[apdst]

In all my 46 years government service (21 Navy and 25 Gov.) I have never seen so many Generals and Admirals speak out against the foreign policy of a Commander in Chief.....Why doesn't Obama let the people who know what they are doing make the decisions?


Dempsey: US Ground Combat Troops Possible in Islamic State Fight | Military.com

General Dempsey understands that you can win a war without ground troops.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

You'll have to enlighten me on which "Afghanistan debate" you're refrring to.

The war in Afghanistan was won until it was politicized.

I watched yesterday on C-Span when the usual leftist in the gallery of Congress tried to politicize our war against ISIS/ISIL. I'll give John Kerry a thumbs up for at least telling those libs to open their eyes and look at who ISIS/ISIL are.

White House Debate Led to Plan to Widen Afghan Effort

I find it but infuriating and hilarious to look at the NYT. In the first article, you see the initial stages of the debate. When the first troops were sent. As you can see, even in March of 2009, the debate over whether to commit forces or pull out was dividing the white house. A lot of things you have to read between the lines, (thanks to the NYT's obvious bias) fortunately, I know more of the back story. On one side you have Gates and Mullen, who were pushing for the Surge, while you had his political advisers, namely Biden, Axelrod and Rahm, arguing against increased involvement in Afghanistan. After a very long debate, Obama finally sided with Gates and Mullen for a Surge, with the condition that it would be sharp and brief, instead of long and protracted. It wasn't the perfect scenario for Gates, but in the end, he got his troops.

How Obama Came to Plan for ‘Surge’ in Afghanistan

It's important for me to point out at this point that I don't agree with Obama's handling throughout the Afghan Surge. He never liked the idea of committing so many troops to battle, and he made many mistakes during the implementation of the Surge (as well as politicizing the withdrawal) which is why this goes down as HIS war, and the one he failed on. But the whole fact that the Afghan war is considered HIS war, is why I think Obama does deserve the credit in siding against his friends (specifically in Axelrod and Rahm) and doing what he knew was the best thing for the Afghan war to have any shot of a successful conclusion.

Is Obama a good president? No, not in the least. But to say he never supported Afghan Operations and never sided with his generals, is just patently false, as the above example illustrates.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

General Dempsey understands that you can win a war without ground troops.

Did you mean "can't?" The initial response to 9/11 is I believe, the best example of how we can defeat these types of forces without the application of US Ground Forces. And I'd like to think that the Iraqi Army at this point is just as effective (and hopefully more) than the Northern Alliance was in 2001.

 

[APACHERAT]

White House Debate Led to Plan to Widen Afghan Effort

I find it but infuriating and hilarious to look at the NYT. In the first article, you see the initial stages of the debate. When the first troops were sent. As you can see, even in March of 2009, the debate over whether to commit forces or pull out was dividing the white house. A lot of things you have to read between the lines, (thanks to the NYT's obvious bias) fortunately, I know more of the back story. On one side you have Gates and Mullen, who were pushing for the Surge, while you had his political advisers, namely Biden, Axelrod and Rahm, arguing against increased involvement in Afghanistan. After a very long debate, Obama finally sided with Gates and Mullen for a Surge, with the condition that it would be sharp and brief, instead of long and protracted. It wasn't the perfect scenario for Gates, but in the end, he got his troops.

How Obama Came to Plan for ‘Surge’ in Afghanistan

It's important for me to point out at this point that I don't agree with Obama's handling throughout the Afghan Surge. He never liked the idea of committing so many troops to battle, and he made many mistakes during the implementation of the Surge (as well as politicizing the withdrawal) which is why this goes down as HIS war, and the one he failed on. But the whole fact that the Afghan war is considered HIS war, is why I think Obama does deserve the credit in siding against his friends (specifically in Axelrod and Rahm) and doing what he knew was the best thing for the Afghan war to have any shot of a successful conclusion.

Is Obama a good president? No, not in the least. But to say he never supported Afghan Operations and never sided with his generals, is just patently false, as the above example illustrates.

That debate.

Thank you Hamster Buddha for clarifying which debate.

From Robert Gates to the generals and admirals, Obama doesn't trust them.

Obama vs. the Generals - POLITICO Magazine

The rift between Obama and his generals on ISIS - Vox