Demoracts: Do You Support Maduro in Venezuela?

[LowDown]

Recently the chair of the Venezuelan legislature was elected President and Maduro was declared to be a usurper in response to the unrest and deprivation in that country.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Why would I care? it's up to the people who their leader is and what happens to their country. Not Americans who have a history of overturning democratically elected leaders for dictators. So its bad optics to get involved since we have bad history in south america and meddling with their leaders and putting monsters in power as long as they let American businesses exploit them

 

[DaveFagan]

Recently the chair of the Venezuelan legislature was elected President and Maduro was declared to be a usurper in response to the unrest and deprivation in that country.

I support Maduro. We have no business in the internal Politics of Venezuela. USA sanctions have created the poverty in Venezuela. We should be helping that Nation, not adding to their misery.
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[Jetboogieman]

I am not a Democrat, but here’s what I’ll say.

There’s a lot of misinformation and especially from conservatives a lot of nonsense when it comes to talking about the issues with Venezuela, when the reason things are the way they are go back a ways and are complex, but one simple fact and lesson of the Venezuelan crisis is, it’s exactly why you don’t tie your entire economy to a single commodity.

Ultimately the Maduro regime is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country, it has no legitimacy whatsoever and while I dont know if the current approach may bring about change given the security forces are on side and deeply involved in criminal activity themselves such as drug trafficking it’s doubtful they will switch sides.

Venezuela is also a lesson on why strong democratic institutions capable of holding their leaders accountable are so important.

The people have suffered enough, Maduro and his corrupt regime has to go and him and many who are around him, frankly deserve to die for what they’ve done to their people.

Viva Venezuela!

 

[LowDown]

I support Maduro. We have no business in the internal Politics of Venezuela. USA sanctions have created the poverty in Venezuela. We should be helping that Nation, not adding to their misery.
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Maduro has turned down all offers of humanitarian aid from the US. Also, supporting the removal of a cruel dictator is helping.

 

[LowDown]

I am not a Democrat, but here’s what I’ll say.

There’s a lot of misinformation and especially from conservatives a lot of nonsense when it comes to talking about the issues with Venezuela, when the reason things are the way they are go back a ways and are complex, but one simple fact and lesson of the Venezuelan crisis is, it’s exactly why you don’t tie your entire economy to a single commodity.

Ultimately the Maduro regime is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a country, it has no legitimacy whatsoever and while I dont know if the current approach may bring about change given the security forces are on side and deeply involved in criminal activity themselves such as drug trafficking it’s doubtful they will switch sides.

Venezuela is also a lesson on why strong democratic institutions capable of holding their leaders accountable are so important.

The people have suffered enough, Maduro and his corrupt regime has to go and him and many who are around him, frankly deserve to die for what they’ve done to their people.

Viva Venezuela!

Progressives preach about this when a Republican is president and then return to their project of turning the US into an oligarchy lead by progressive elites when they manage to put a Democrat in that office.

 

[DaveFagan]

The USA has offerred NO humanitarian aid to Venezuela. USA/OBAMA energy sanctions have killed the Venezuelan economy and caused poverty and chaos. The USA is responsible for this crisis and is in no way a helpful influence in that Nation. Any one who buys the MSM NARRATIVE that we are trying to help Venezuela needs their head examined. This is the most blatant interference in South American politics since we used the CIA to have Allende killed and installed Pinochet in Chile and just as evil.
Maduro is elected, not a dictsator, May 2018 with 60% of the popular vote. He follows in the footsteps of Chavez who was elected 7 times to institute a Bolivarian Republic/Socialism in Venezuela. A MSM narrative that states either of these individuals is/was a dictator is absolutely false and condemns that Media and citizens should take note.
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[MrWonka]

Recently the chair of the Venezuelan legislature was elected President and Maduro was declared to be a usurper in response to the unrest and deprivation in that country.

I don't know about Maduro specifically, but I support the right of the people of Venezuela to Democratically elect their president, and any attempts to undermine those elections are very concerning. Given that in the United States the Republican party is has been doing everything in its power to undermine our own Democracy for some years now though I feel like we really don't have any right to throw stones from our glass house at this point.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Progressives preach about this when a Republican is president and then return to their project of turning the US into an oligarchy lead by progressive elites when they manage to put a Democrat in that office.

And Trump supporters seem intent about tearing down any institution that could hold Trump accountable for possible wrong doing.

A country is only one generation of weakening democratic institutions away from a Maduro and Trumpites seem hell bent on wanting one.

Trumps lack of transparency about his business dealings and not properly divesting himself of his business interests are a blank cheque Trump supporters and Republicans have given him to enable corruption.

 

[TheRepublican]

I don’t know about anything besides I hope that this gentleman is a capitalist

 

[Fledermaus]

I support Maduro. We have no business in the internal Politics of Venezuela. USA sanctions have created the poverty in Venezuela. We should be helping that Nation, not adding to their misery.
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You do love anyone not leaning towards the US regardless their dictatorial ways.

 

[Fledermaus]

The USA has offerred NO humanitarian aid to Venezuela. USA/OBAMA energy sanctions have killed the Venezuelan economy and caused poverty and chaos. The USA is responsible for this crisis and is in no way a helpful influence in that Nation. Any one who buys the MSM NARRATIVE that we are trying to help Venezuela needs their head examined. This is the most blatant interference in South American politics since we used the CIA to have Allende killed and installed Pinochet in Chile and just as evil.
Maduro is elected, not a dictsator, May 2018 with 60% of the popular vote. He follows in the footsteps of Chavez who was elected 7 times to institute a Bolivarian Republic/Socialism in Venezuela. A MSM narrative that states either of these individuals is/was a dictator is absolutely false and condemns that Media and citizens should take note.
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Until recently Venezuela was the most prosperous Latin American state.

The sanctions didn't cause its fall from grace. Internal decisions and **** ups did.

 

[DaveFagan]

You do love anyone not leaning towards the US regardless their dictatorial ways.

I am on the side of the People of Venezuels. They elected Maduro. I also would like to see a successful Socialist in our Hemisphere to make a valid comparison against CORPORATISM.
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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[DaveFagan]

Until recently Venezuela was the most prosperous Latin American state.

The sanctions didn't cause its fall from grace. Internal decisions and **** ups did.

The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!

 

[Fledermaus]

I am on the side of the People of Venezuels. They elected Maduro. I also would like to see a successful Socialist in our Hemisphere to make a valid comparison against CORPORATISM.
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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And it appears Socialism is doing what Socialism does...

Failing.

Again.

 

[Fledermaus]

The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!

True or False - Until recently Venezuela was the most prosperous Latin American state.

True.

True or False - The decline in Venezuela predates the sanctions.

True.

You blather about "The Company line" but have presented nothing but "The Company line" for wannabe socialists.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Recently the chair of the Venezuelan legislature was elected President and Maduro was declared to be a usurper in response to the unrest and deprivation in that country.

You're really that desperate to make a connection to a corrupt socialist Latin American despot that you put up a poll demanding a purity test for "Demoracts"?

Yeah, please don't answer, because in your mind, "I've lost the debate"...

 

[DaveFagan]

And it appears Socialism is doing what Socialism does...

Failing.

Again.

Sanctions a/k/a USA interference in a Sovereign Nations trade have caused Venezuelans economic distress. One makes themselves an obvious toady to attempt to distort that reality.
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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[Fledermaus]

Sanctions a/k/a USA interference in a Sovereign Nations trade have caused Venezuelans economic distress. One makes themselves an obvious toady to attempt to distort that reality.
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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You are still mouthing the Party Line....

The free fall PRECEDED the sanctions. The sanctions were originally enacted due to deaths of Venezuelans protesting the Venezuelan economic distress..........

"In 2014, a series of protests, political demonstrations, and civil insurrection began in Venezuela due to the country's high levels of urban violence, inflation, and chronic shortages of basic goods"

BEFORE THE SANCTIONS...

Where do you get your "history" from?

 

[DaveFagan]

You are still mouthing the Party Line....

The free fall PRECEDED the sanctions. The sanctions were originally enacted due to deaths of Venezuelans protesting the Venezuelan economic distress..........

"In 2014, a series of protests, political demonstrations, and civil insurrection began in Venezuela due to the country's high levels of urban violence, inflation, and chronic shortages of basic goods"

BEFORE THE SANCTIONS...

Where do you get your "history" from?

You just can't admit the truth, because if you admit iti, you admit that you are mouthing

The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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[antiquity]

I support Maduro. We have no business in the internal Politics of Venezuela. USA sanctions have created the poverty in Venezuela. We should be helping that Nation, not adding to their misery.
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Just how do we help a dictator who getting aid from Russian and China? What is your solution? As far as internal politics I can recall we did the same thing in Serbian/Kosovo civil war (by the way...we still have US peacekeepers there 27 years later) and also now in Syria.

Venezuela has created its own poverty by nationalizing their oil industry which is by far their biggest money maker. Because of that they are not capable of keeping their oil industry flowing at pre-socialist production.

Do think the recent Russian and Chinese influence and financial aid in Venezuela is in the US best interest? Why do suppose those two countries are interested in Venezuela if not for their oil? I believe that Venezuela, which has one of the largest oil reserve in the world, is the 3rd largest exporter to the US. Yes... we do have a vested interest in Venezuela.

 

[AK Conservative]

I'm not a Democrat but Maduro needs to go. He's not a legitimate ruler and we can't say interfering would only add to their misery because they're obviously very desperate and unhappy with their current ruler.

 

[Surrealistik]

I don't support him, but I sure as hell don't believe we should get militarily involved, or take actions that may result in further instability.

As to the reasons for Venezuela's failures, economic mismanagement per the Russian over the Norwegian model, not simply nationalization which worked incredibly well in Norway, is primarily to blame: where they failed to save and invest during the oil boom times, causing them to suffer during the bad. Anyone who thinks nationalization of key resources can't possibly work should consider Norway and its $1 trillion and growing sovereign wealth fund which is worth nearly $200k per capita (which, after national debt is accounted for, is hundreds of billions to the good; in fact, Norway is actually a large net creditor of debt): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway

 

[Fledermaus]

You just can't admit the truth, because if you admit iti, you admit that you are mouthing

The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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You and the truth are a few ZIP codes apart.

Your ignorance of the condition in Venezuela is noted and on par with most subjects you rant about.

The free fall PRECEDED the sanctions. The sanctions were originally enacted due to deaths of Venezuelans protesting the Venezuelan economic distress..........

"In 2014, a series of protests, political demonstrations, and civil insurrection began in Venezuela due to the country's high levels of urban violence, inflation, and chronic shortages of basic goods"

BEFORE THE SANCTIONS...

Where do you get your "history" from?

 

[DaveFagan]

You and the truth are a few ZIP codes apart.

Your ignorance of the condition in Venezuela is noted and on par with most subjects you rant about.

The free fall PRECEDED the sanctions. The sanctions were originally enacted due to deaths of Venezuelans protesting the Venezuelan economic distress..........

"In 2014, a series of protests, political demonstrations, and civil insurrection began in Venezuela due to the country's high levels of urban violence, inflation, and chronic shortages of basic goods"

BEFORE THE SANCTIONS...

Where do you get your "history" from?

Wrong in Iraq, Ukraine, Libya, Syria and now Venezuela.
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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