Democrats want to use the 25th Amendment to remove President Trump from Office

[bluesmoke]

Democrats do not have enough votes in the House or Senate to pass any Bills without significant GOP support: Dems Draft Bill That Could Activate 25th Amendment Powers to Remove Trump | Fox News Insider

This is show and no go.

 

[zimmer]

So... we have your post which I answered in multiple short enumerated paragraphs.

We are on #4 now... deconstructing your emotional statement below.

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

"They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

"They" won Trump the election.

"They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

4. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

We have completed 1 & 2.
Soon to become a Blog... again, as this is worth saving for the masses to ponder.

Now onto #3 in my quote box below.

But’s let’s do a short summary of 1 & 2.

1. The Blue Wall states helped elect Trump. These were Democrat states twice when Obama won, therefore Democrats had to switch party loyalties for Trump to win ALL the Blue Wall states.

2. Similar to point #1... with the addition of there had to be a reason they voted for Trump. This reason is because Democrats abandoned these people, treated them badly, and let them suffer for 8-years. The cause of bad economic policies, and open borders.

3. Trump was the only candidate, when he announced, who said he would stop illegals, and rip the criminal elements out of our society. No D or R had the guts to say it. He did the leading, the remainder did the following. This played well to disenfranchised Democrats. That and taking on China. Making America fertile ground for business to establish. Lower taxes. This obviously appealed to Democrats, as they were the ones who got Trump elected.

CC, are you still clinging bitterly to your laughable philosophy that Trump had no ideas? That the Democrats* who pushed Trump over the line (by a mile, as he won with Hillary’s numbers)... are “stupid”? Are you?

I understand you were frustrated when you wrote the above... but now with time to reflect, you can come out and admit your post was utter nonsense, based on emotion and not clear thinking.

* You say Conservatives, but that’s your emotion and partisanship shining through, for Conservatives alone couldn’t get anyone elected nationally. Trump won with a massive helping of Democrats... former Obama voters.

Trump won doing what the Right has claimed they’ve always wanted to do... broaden the tent... and Trump did.

CC, your lack of rebuttal indicates you are conceding the points. I’m not surprised, as your post I responded to (linked to at the top of this post) was an emotional rant, not an intellectual exercise.

Let’s continue... shall we?

#4 in bold above:
Obama and Clinton did not go high (in reference to Michelle’s childish: “when they go low we go high”... BS), the Obama/Clinton team went as low as they could in the dying weeks of the election. It was all about personal destruction... which is something the Democrats have perfected since The Clintons became party royalty.

I guess when you have no real message except “he’s worse”, and “the world will come to an end for women and children” (paraphrasing)* and you’re known as a liar... and your opponent is running around pointing out the deficiencies of the past 8-years and the criminalities of The Clinton(s)... you shouldn’t expect Reagan Democrats to help you win.

Once again... Conservatives cannot win elections on their own. They need and got Democrat assistance... and we thank them.

*Odd how that War on Women thing has turned into a boomerang for the Left... isn’t it? Like collusion between the DoJ and Leftists, or corruption in the DNC, or collusion between the media and Leftist campaigns... just confirmation of what we already knew.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

So... we have your post which I answered in multiple short enumerated paragraphs.

We are on #4 now... deconstructing your emotional statement below.







CC, your lack of rebuttal indicates you are conceding the points. I’m not surprised, as your post I responded to (linked to at the top of this post) was an emotional rant, not an intellectual exercise.

Let’s continue... shall we?

#4 in bold above:
Obama and Clinton did not go high (in reference to Michelle’s childish: “when they go low we go high”... BS), the Obama/Clinton team went as low as they could in the dying weeks of the election. It was all about personal destruction... which is something the Democrats have perfected since The Clintons became party royalty.

I guess when you have no real message except “he’s worse”, and “the world will come to an end for women and children” (paraphrasing)* and you’re known as a liar... and your opponent is running around pointing out the deficiencies of the past 8-years and the criminalities of The Clinton(s)... you shouldn’t expect Reagan Democrats to help you win.

Once again... Conservatives cannot win elections on their own. They need and got Democrat assistance... and we thank them.

*Odd how that War on Women thing has turned into a boomerang for the Left... isn’t it? Like collusion between the DoJ and Leftists, or corruption in the DNC, or collusion between the media and Leftist campaigns... just confirmation of what we already knew.

I already responded and destroyed your position on this. Your lack of acknowledgement of that is just more indication of your denial based partisan hackery.

 

[holbritter]

This is not accurate. He won because Hillary Clinton was less attractive to the traditional Democratic base of urban, minorities, and more educated voters. Many of the former Obama voters abstained because they didn't want the responsibility when Clinton won. This is widely understood now.

Personally, I wound up taking the higher road because abstaining is not the action of a responsible voter. When the choice is poopoo or dookie, one must be a big boy and do what he has to do. Lucky for me, the lame duck didn't win and I don't have to claim today's embarrassing buffoon. It's win/win for me.



Absolutely not.

Trump won because after eight years of whipping the constituency into a mindless mob of hate by the GOP (Tea Partiers) and Fox News over largely nothing, all it took was for somebody to come along and start tossing out leashes. He was elected on "Make America Great Again," "Build That Wall," "Lock Her Up," and "Drain the Swamp." Well, he tried to pass the Wall of to Mexico, he declared that he wasn't interested in even investigating Clinton, and he populated the swamp with those who created it. The fact that he flipped on all of it in quick fashion and that his enthusiastic mob merely shrugged, tells us that the constituency merely liked that somebody was thumbing his nose at all the things that they had been groomed to hate. Obama? The Donald will say something snide for us. Clinton? The Donald will say something snide for us. Black Lives Matter? The Donald will say something snide for us. Global Warming? The Donald will say something snide for us. Feminism? The Donald will say something snide for us. This is why his immature and highly unstatesman-like Tweets bring you all such joy. YOu all actually enjoy how stupid he looks making fun of Rubio still. The truth is that conservatives had spent so many years being told to hate everything and anything that they abandoned their supposed values last year and elected an anti-thesis with great jubilation (even as the GOP begged conservatives not to). Even military POWs was a subject for ridicule.

Entering the White House without an agenda is exactly why he has the worst "first 100 days" on record. It's exactly why he had no real plan to repeal Obamacare and merely borrowed off of the GOP's rhetoric (turned out that even they didn't have plan.)

And this is why you all elected him.

Interesting. Can you tell what I'm thinking right now? Who is going to win the Super Bowl?

 

[zimmer]

I already responded and destroyed your position on this. Your lack of acknowledgement of that is just more indication of your denial based partisan hackery.

You haven’t responded to anything, and because you haven’t responded, you’ve only gone on to destroy what little credibility you might have.


Below is your emotional rant. Revealing, but not surprising are the people who “liked” that post... ROTFLOL.

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

Your emotional rant was exposed as just that in the post below.

Try rebutting the following enumerated responses.
You haven’t and won’t because you can’t.

It’s obvious the election has been hard on the Left and denial has become commonplace amongst the Left, and it’s losing candidate especially. She has proven to once again be an awful example, and unfortunately too many from her party have followed her down the dark path of intellectual bankruptcy and lunacy. She seems to excel at it bringing the worst out of her party.

But some, 20-years on see the evilness of The Clinton ways... albeit... for political expediency... so bankrupt is that clan.

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.


2. "They" won Trump the election.


3. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.


4. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.


5. The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.


6. Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.


7. All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.


8. What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.


9. We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.


10. I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.


11. Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.


Talk about childish losers... Phew!

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You haven’t responded to anything.




Here... have a try at rebutting the following enumerated responses.
You haven’t because you can’t.

Your emotional rant was exposed as just that.

No, I've already responded several times. Just because you don't like the fact that I destroyed your little partisan hack dishonest rant doesn't mean I'm going to repeat it again.

 

[yankintx]

The Electoral College has been around for over 200-years, I suspect that the Electoral College will be around in 2200, but who knows, anything can happen! Donald Trump played by the same rules as everyone else in the race, thereby, winning the race, fair and square!

FACTS: A win at the ballot box wasn't enough to put Al Gore or Hillary Clinton in the Whitehouse! Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, but you knew that already, didn't you?

Here is hoping for a HUGE turnout Nov 2018 !! And we all know who large turnouts on election day benefit, dont we?

 

[zimmer]

You failed to respond and attempted one dodge after another.
Now... caught with you pants down... exposed for making an attack that makes no sense on any level... you continue to dodge.

You made the moronic post, and I’ve called you out on it, and have numerous times put my response to your moronic post side-by-side so you could easily refute my claims.

You have failed to make a response... Epically. But dodge you have.

Below is a series of your lame dodges.

Why not man up and answer the response to your emotional, rant... or admit you momentarily lost your mind when posting the drivel you did?

Respond to my rebuttal, you haven’t... as evidenced below. It’s the definition of dodging.

No, I've already responded several times. Just because you don't like the fact that I destroyed your little partisan hack dishonest rant doesn't mean I'm going to repeat it again.

Well... let’s look at your “responses”... shall we...
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First attempt at a “response”... ROTFLOL...
From Page 31, post #310

Let me know when you post something that isn't right wing hackery that actually makes sense and I'll be happy to respond. Post like this and I'll just remind you that your post is a great example of the immature childishness that is infecting your party.

Page 33, Post #328

Now what did I tell you zim? Post something that is not right wing hack soapboxing, and we can have a discussion. Don't and I'll just point out what you're doing. Your choice.

Page 36, Post #352

And I've told you, zim. Post something that makes a lick of sense and isn't nothing but soapboxing right wing partisan hackery. Do that, and we can talk. Keep posting worthless and irrelevant garbage, and I'll just keep pointing that out. Your choice.

Page 36, Post #360

So, you are refusing to actually post in some sort of intelligently debatable format and prefer to continue to soapbox in your standard right wing hack format. OK. I suppose I'll just keep reminding you of that until you decide to start actually saying something that makes sense.

Page 37, Post #361

I told you, zim. You post in a right wing hack soapboxing format, I am going to call you on it. When you start posting in an intelligent, debate-worthy format, you'll get a debate. Thus far, you haven't posted anything that isn't akin to a religious guy on the corner, ridiculously claiming that anyone who doesn't BELIEVE as he believes is going to burn in Hell. And remember... free speech works both ways. You have free speech. And I have the free speech to say that your speech is stupid.

Page 37, Post #367

Still doing the right wing hack soapboxing format, eh, zim? Start posting in a reasonable debate encouraging style, and you'll get a response. Don't, and I'll just keep reminding you... and the rest of the forum (though they already know) that your posts offer nothing in debate. They are just you soapboxing your little personal and extreme anti-liberal position. Now come on, zim. I KNOW you can do it. Rewrite your post in a format that has value, makes sense, and offers the opportunity to debate. I don't debate that preacher on the street. I point at him and tell him that what he's saying is nonsense. Don't be like him.

Page 37, Post#370

You've refuted nothing. In fact, your link is just immortalizes your anti-left soapboxing, pointless and devoid of any sense or debate worthy comments, for eternity. Come on, zim... I KNOW you have it in you. Make ONE post that offers something that is not nonsense. ONE post that offers something that is debate worthy. You can do it.

Summary: Continuous dodging of what should be an easy job of refuting my post... if you could. But you cannot... so you dodge. And you do not do it well either.

 

[MSgt]

Interesting. Can you tell what I'm thinking right now? Who is going to win the Super Bowl?

Ah, yes....the developing perspective of the "enlightened" Trump supporter. Amazing how this group is growing with every new Trump flip-flop or embarrassment that moves to shake the mob out of its zombified mood.

Of course, what you responded to refers to the general mob. One does not have to be very intelligent to see the obvious from last year and today. Even Trump supporters know this is true and it is because of this groomed and seething hatred ever since Obama "had no birth certificate" or was a "Muslim" that so many of them betrayed their own value systems last year and continue to do so today. They choose to be obtuse.

But you are more than welcome to declare why you elected Trump as if it matters from the mob. But, like the rest, I suspect you too ignored your own value system and you would only wind up presenting one contradiction after another and one Trump flip-flop after another. Pretending to be "enlightened" only means that you chose to ignore so much of his behavior last year and expect really nothing from him now. Isn't that worse?

 

[zimmer]

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

Let’s flesh out Point 1 in my rebuttal, but this time use words from the Media to back up my claims, and illustrate who the hack is.

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

"They" won Trump the election.

"They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

Talk about childish losers... Phew!

Media replies to Point 1.

There was a lot of that... And the problem was not only that pollsters and pundits failed to foresee that former Democrats like Stavish-O’Boyle in the Rust Belt would flip to Trump.
Democrats Who Voted For Donald Trump Speak

The Democratic Party openly talked about abandoning the working class

Why did so many Democrats vote for Trump?
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-so-many-Democrats-vote-for-Trump

So, I give you another opportunity to make a first attempt to reply to my insightful and accurate post.

 

[jmotivator]

It won't work. Not as long as the Republicans maintain a majority in Congress. At least not if they don't want their own Party to split asunder giving the future to the New Left Democrats.

Worse though is if such shenanigans did eventually succeed. I personally would lose all faith in our system. I don't think I would be the only one who felt that way.

IMO it would be the beginning of the end for a United States of America.

I won't go that far. It may be the end of the two established political parties, but in the end they would both collapse under mismanagement and either reconstitute under the same brand, or with a new party. I don't think the Democrats can survive losing seats in 2018 and the Presidency in 2020. If both of those happen then that party will fracture and likely r-ebrand.

As such, I think their worst fear is the tax cuts passing and actually boosting the economy.. even if artificially and only for a few years. If by 2020 the economy is still growing and Saudi Arabia has realigned as a moderate Islamic state (a quiet but potentially world changing victory for Trump's State Diplomacy) then I have no doubt that Trump would win in a landslide in 2020. The country may still not like him as a person, but would vote on results.

If he wins in 2020 then the Democrats, or at least the "New Left" as you called it, will be toast. Trump will have done not only what Republicans couldn't do. He will leave behind a largely Constructionist SCOTUS (he may get 3+ appointments in the next 7 years) and a more moderate lower court.

What I fear is Trump solidifying his power in 2020 and deciding, Like GWB, that he needs a policy "legacy".... those have traditionally been costly disasters.

Granted, the signal out of the Trump Administration is that his legal team is busy dismantling decades of power creep by the Administrative branch, and that they are hell bent of leaving the Executive branch weaker than when they found it. If true, then that would be the legacy I would cheer. He would have brought the one ring all the way to Mount Doom and had the balls to throw it in himself.

I can't find the article right now, but what Trump's legal team is doing behind the scenes, apparently, is working with Congress to ensure any major policy written in Congress avoid clauses that include Administrative discretion or leave the law almost completely to Administrative discretion (see: PPACA), and the primary target of his judicial appointments is constructionists that would uphold these bills against future Presidential encroachment. It would really be a smart move, as Onama and the Democrats are learning, to not dump so much policy choice in the hands of the President.

 

[holbritter]

Ah, yes....the developing perspective of the "enlightened" Trump supporter. Amazing how this group is growing with every new Trump flip-flop or embarrassment that moves to shake the mob out of its zombified mood.

Of course, what you responded to refers to the general mob. One does not have to be very intelligent to see the obvious from last year and today. Even Trump supporters know this is true and it is because of this groomed and seething hatred ever since Obama "had no birth certificate" or was a "Muslim" that so many of them betrayed their own value systems last year and continue to do so today. They choose to be obtuse.

But you are more than welcome to declare why you elected Trump as if it matters from the mob. But, like the rest, I suspect you too ignored your own value system and you would only wind up presenting one contradiction after another and one Trump flip-flop after another. Pretending to be "enlightened" only means that you chose to ignore so much of his behavior last year and expect really nothing from him now. Isn't that worse?

I did not vote for Trump. However, I do have a few family and friends that did and I get a bit defensive when people think they know why someone voted for him, say anyone who voted for them are uneducated and ignorant (not that you did that) and the list goes on. How people think they know what is in someones mind is beyond me. There are more people who do not fit your 'mob' than you think, and probably regret voting for him. The broad brush being used is insulting.

 

[MSgt]

I did not vote for Trump. However, I do have a few family and friends that did and I get a bit defensive when people think they know why someone voted for him...

Interesting... I have two parents who voted for him.

- Both devout and church going Christians
- Both great fans of Reagan and the Bushs'
- One was a thirty year Marine.
- Both hate "commies."

After hearing Trump denigrate the military, denigrate women, express out loud how little regard he holds the bond of marriage, and flipped back and forth in regards to Putin's status, they both enthusiastically voted for Trump anyway. Neither can explain their vote and when asked today they can only bring themselves to talking about Benghazi and how evil liberals are. BUT, they are also both avid Fox news watchers because everything is just "fake news." Ding! Ding!

Trump merely used every GOP tag line in the book over the last eight years (Benghazi, lock her up, build a wall, illegal immigrants, nationalism, repeal Obamacare) to tap into their misplaced anger towards Obama/Clinton/socialism/liberals. This means they absolutely betrayed their moral convictions for a man who represented their anti-thesis just to cling to his sad slogans. Then he commenced to flip on all of the slogans as his most devoted fans merely shrug. As long as he mocks global warming, black lives matter, NFL kneeling, "rocketman," or anything else they grew tired of hearing about, then they are happy with the result no matter what he manages to accomplish.

But you want to pretend that your few family members and friends were different? That they were not caught up in the same mindless mob and ignoring the GOP's requests for them not to vote for a social Conservative's anti-thesis? The Christian Right actually voted for a man who boasted about adultery and immoral behavior. And did your few family members and friends not hear the "Drain the Swamp" mantra and go on to elect a wealthy elite who exists only because of the swamp? This means that despite the Conservative's complaints of the wealthy and political elite in Washington, they voted for a wealthy elite man who was obviously (and immediately did) going to strengthen the swamp, politically and economically.

Let me guess, like one of my friend's who could state nothing else about why he was going to vote for Trump, your few family members just wanted to "shake things up." Well, after presenting us with the worst "first 100 days" on historical record by far, it is clear that they did not vote for Trump over some sort of concrete agenda. Even "Repeal Obamacare" came down to him merely relying on the GOP to have figured something out over the many years of complaining about it. But you throw all of this at a Trump voter, turned fan, and they simply avoid at all costs. They can't even explain it because they can't see through the fog that is used as a defense mechanism based on an emotional investment for something that was never real to begin with.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You failed to respond and attempted one dodge after another.
Now... caught with you pants down... exposed for making an attack that makes no sense on any level... you continue to dodge.

You made the moronic post, and I’ve called you out on it, and have numerous times put my response to your moronic post side-by-side so you could easily refute my claims.

You have failed to make a response... Epically. But dodge you have.

Below is a series of your lame dodges.

Why not man up and answer the response to your emotional, rant... or admit you momentarily lost your mind when posting the drivel you did?

Respond to my rebuttal, you haven’t... as evidenced below. It’s the definition of dodging.



Well... let’s look at your “responses”... shall we...
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First attempt at a “response”... ROTFLOL...
From Page 31, post #310


Page 33, Post #328


Page 36, Post #352


Page 36, Post #360


Page 37, Post #361



Page 37, Post #367


Page 37, Post#370


Summary: Continuous dodging of what should be an easy job of refuting my post... if you could. But you cannot... so you dodge. And you do not do it well either.

There is no need for me to further refute your nonsense. Your partisan hack nonsense stands on it's own. However, I did refute it very easily in post #399, one that you, conveniently forgot to cite. Your dishonest posting, zimmer, is always consistent.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Let’s flesh out Point 1 in my rebuttal, but this time use words from the Media to back up my claims, and illustrate who the hack is.



Media replies to Point 1.





So, I give you another opportunity to make a first attempt to reply to my insightful and accurate post.

Taken care of, already. As usual, you have nothing.

 

[zimmer]

There is no need for me to further refute your nonsense. Your partisan hack nonsense stands on it's own. However, I did refute it very easily in post #399, one that you, conveniently forgot to cite. Your dishonest posting, zimmer, is always consistent.

You had 7 dodges in a row... and you continued to thereafter. But... if #399 is your response, 89 posts after your first dodge... let’s have at it... ROTFLOL

But First... your original emotional rant:

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

Here is post #399... I will leave anything considered rebuttal in black. Your whining dodging BS will he hi-lited red:

Firstly, zimmer, I've noticed that you have been necroing old threads and posts in order to detract from the disaster that is the GOP, currently, You'd like nothing better than to make sure that all of the news that shows just how slimy Republicans can be is off the DP front page. The post I made that you quoted was from JULY. There is nothing in what you wrote that rebukes it in any way. In fact, what you did was demonstrate just how ignorant and hackish you are about how Trump got elected.

1. Some Blue states went for Trump not because of Democrats, but because of Independents who were influenced by the right wing media attacks on Obama over the past 8 years.

2. Right wingers like you did everything possible to present Obama in a negative way, and, the American people generally being pretty stupid and listening to those who shout the loudest (which tend to be right wing hacks), many listened.

3. Add to that the fact that Hillary presented herself as a very poor an unlikable candidate, plus her campaign fed right into the negativity that the Trump campaign set the tone for 2016 and Democrats were in trouble.

4. It wasn't due to any shift. It was due to poor planning and a populace that prefers to get it's news from tabloid TV, often where loud and dishonest hackish right wingers provide commentary.

5. In the 4 months since I've made the original post, nothing has changed. Trump has failed with any major ideas or policies that he claimed during his campaign, has continued to be an immature child prone to temper tantrums, and conservatives STILL are completely clueless about this. I'm not sure how the GOP is going to recover from this debacle.

ROTFLOL...

1. Democrats helped elect Trump. It wasn’t just Conservatives as your lame, emotional rant, nor just Independents. Even the Leftist media admits it was Democrats.

2. If Obama did a truly great job, if the economy was healthy, if his domestic and foreign policy was sound... Hillary would have won. Fact is, people liked Obama, but not his policies. And a major ROTFLOL... right wingers did a better job than the Goebbels Inspired Media Propagandists (GIMPs) did for 8-years as lap dogs for Obama and Democrats??? That’s delusional.

BTW... opposition is permitted in a democracy. Vocal opposition. Of course, some folks like you aren’t very open to that, as you comment above illustrates.

3. Hillary was always unlikable. But, according to the Left and its GIMPs, was the smartest woman in the world. She was Obama’s 3rd term, and Obama himself ran on that, along with their trying to scare Democrats. Did not work. Democrats voted for Trump in big enough numbers to wallop Hillary, and the rest of the party.

4. Americans have been getting their news from the same sources for 20-years.... or longer. So that’s an intellectual fart.

There was obviously a shift, back to reality. Obama was elected because he was black and wasn’t Bush. After smashing Bush 43 daily, they placed hope in this hollow young man. They shifted back after realizing what Hope and Change meant after 8-years.

5. This is about the election of Trump... which you responded to with a rant that was childlike in its quality.

As for what’s happened... he’s done a lot. That you haven’t noticed illustrates how blind you are.

PS. I had to laugh at how repetitive your posts have been. It seems you keep ejacualting the same terms over and over.

 

[zimmer]

Let’s continue and keep score.

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

1."They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

2. "They" won Trump the election.

3. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

4. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

5. The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

6. Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

7. All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

8. What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

9. We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

10. I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

11. Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

Talk about childish losers... Phew!

Point 1.
Conservatives could not win anything without the assistance of Democrats. This phenomenon of Democrats of this sort has a historic name: Reagan Democrats.

It has been established that Democrats were necessary for Trump to win the election. Those who felt left out in Obama’s Hopes Changey socialist utopia. That’s why The Blue Wall States were ALL won by Trump.

We thank these Democrats for their votes.
SCORE: zimmer 1 - CC 0

Point 2.
Without the assistance of Democrats, Trump would have never won the election. Would not have been possible. It’s not even a question, it’s basic math coupled with a smidgen of common sense.
SCORE: zimmer 2 - CC 0

To be continued...

 

[PLizzy]

Let’s continue and keep score.







Point 1.
Conservatives could not win anything without the assistance of Democrats. This phenomenon of Democrats of this sort has a historic name: Reagan Democrats.

It has been established that Democrats were necessary for Trump to win the election. Those who felt left out in Obama’s Hopes Changey socialist utopia. That’s why The Blue Wall States were ALL won by Trump.

We thank these Democrats for their votes.
SCORE: zimmer 1 - CC 0

Point 2.
Without the assistance of Democrats, Trump would have never won the election. Would not have been possible. It’s not even a question, it’s basic math coupled with a smidgen of common sense.
SCORE: zimmer 2 - CC 0

To be continued...

Actually, you can stop right here.

No need to continue you on, we all understand you're in your own little world.

 

[zimmer]

Actually, you can stop right here.

No need to continue you on, we all understand you're in your own little world.

It’s called debatepolitics.com...

It seems you don’t like systematic rebuttal when pinning down and defeating slithering opponents.

Couldn’t be that your side is being exposed as intellectually fraudulent... is it?

 

[PLizzy]

Interesting... I have two parents who voted for him.

- Both devout and church going Christians
- Both great fans of Reagan and the Bushs'
- One was a thirty year Marine.
- Both hate "commies."

After hearing Trump denigrate the military, denigrate women, express out loud how little regard he holds the bond of marriage, and flipped back and forth in regards to Putin's status, they both enthusiastically voted for Trump anyway. Neither can explain their vote and when asked today they can only bring themselves to talking about Benghazi and how evil liberals are. BUT, they are also both avid Fox news watchers because everything is just "fake news." Ding! Ding!

Trump merely used every GOP tag line in the book over the last eight years (Benghazi, lock her up, build a wall, illegal immigrants, nationalism, repeal Obamacare) to tap into their misplaced anger towards Obama/Clinton/socialism/liberals. This means they absolutely betrayed their moral convictions for a man who represented their anti-thesis just to cling to his sad slogans. Then he commenced to flip on all of the slogans as his most devoted fans merely shrug. As long as he mocks global warming, black lives matter, NFL kneeling, "rocketman," or anything else they grew tired of hearing about, then they are happy with the result no matter what he manages to accomplish.

But you want to pretend that your few family members and friends were different? That they were not caught up in the same mindless mob and ignoring the GOP's requests for them not to vote for a social Conservative's anti-thesis? The Christian Right actually voted for a man who boasted about adultery and immoral behavior. And did your few family members and friends not hear the "Drain the Swamp" mantra and go on to elect a wealthy elite who exists only because of the swamp? This means that despite the Conservative's complaints of the wealthy and political elite in Washington, they voted for a wealthy elite man who was obviously (and immediately did) going to strengthen the swamp, politically and economically.

Let me guess, like one of my friend's who could state nothing else about why he was going to vote for Trump, your few family members just wanted to "shake things up." Well, after presenting us with the worst "first 100 days" on historical record by far, it is clear that they did not vote for Trump over some sort of concrete agenda. Even "Repeal Obamacare" came down to him merely relying on the GOP to have figured something out over the many years of complaining about it. But you throw all of this at a Trump voter, turned fan, and they simply avoid at all costs. They can't even explain it because they can't see through the fog that is used as a defense mechanism based on an emotional investment for something that was never real to begin with.

Our country is cyclic in nature, so we tend to give the other party a chance to lead, even when things are going pretty well. In the past we've had conservatives that voted for Clinton, as well liberals that voted for Reagan.

But now I think the demographic shifts and social change have turned the right-wing voters of this country into ideologues that are disconnected from reality beyond turning back. Things like gay marriage, marijuana legalization, and black men being elected president, are things they never thought would happen in their lifetime. They feel they are losing "their" America, that belongs to them.

This pushed an entire segment of our society into echo chambers of misinformation like FOX, Brietbart,
InfoWars, etc, where facts don't matter, and any idiotic conspiracy theory can live forever. No matter how many times a story is debunked, no matter how awful a republicans character is revealed to be, they will move forward with them because of the policy they say they support.

We have been foolish to simply point and laugh at that nonsense, and not take it seriously as a threat to what we believe in. Make no mistake: this stuff works for the GOP. Trump and Moore are the results of the rest of society making it acceptable to hold atrociously irrational views.

 

[PLizzy]

It’s called debatepolitics.com...

It seems you don’t like systematic rebuttal when pinning down and defeating slithering opponents.

Couldn’t be that your side is being exposed as intellectually fraudulent... is it?

You haven't exposed anything other than yourself as being another cookie cutter winger troll, whom's posts can't be distinguished from the others.

 

[MSgt]

Our country is cyclic in nature, so we tend to give the other party a chance to lead...


...this stuff works for the GOP.

But in this case, the Party (GOP) begged the constituency (Conservatives) not to vote for Trump in the Primaries. Last year was not more of the cyclic routine.

And what the GOP/Fox News did for eight years created a mob that the GOP could not control. Trump is the unintended consequence of their eight year game. I don't think it worked out well for them, given that probably any of the actual Republican candidates would have beaten Clinton (some would have destroyed her).

 

[zimmer]

You haven't exposed anything other than yourself as being another cookie cutter winger troll, whom's posts can't be distinguished from the others.

Below is CC’s quote and my response to his emotional diatribe.

Point out where I’m wrong. CC hasn’t.

CC’s first seven responses were imitations of Wile E. Coyote jumping off the intellectual cliff.... SPLAT!!! His posts were overflowing with emotion, vocabulary limited diatribes... representing irritation and vengeance... and virtually nothing else.

They have been collected here for easy reference:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...ump-office-post1067883044.html#post1067883044

Caught with his pants around his ankles... He dodged.

Maybe you’ll have better luck. You might as you’re not invested in his laughable emotional rant masquerading as a post... below. Or maybe you are. Time will tell.

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

2. "They" won Trump the election.

3. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

4. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

5. The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

6. Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

7. All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

8. What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

9. We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

10. I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

11. Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

Talk about childish losers... Phew!

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You had 7 dodges in a row... and you continued to thereafter. But... if #399 is your response, 89 posts after your first dodge... let’s have at it... ROTFLOL

But First... your original emotional rant:



Here is post #399... I will leave anything considered rebuttal in black. Your whining dodging BS will he hi-lited red:



ROTFLOL...

1. Democrats helped elect Trump. It wasn’t just Conservatives as your lame, emotional rant, nor just Independents. Even the Leftist media admits it was Democrats.

2. If Obama did a truly great job, if the economy was healthy, if his domestic and foreign policy was sound... Hillary would have won. Fact is, people liked Obama, but not his policies. And a major ROTFLOL... right wingers did a better job than the Goebbels Inspired Media Propagandists (GIMPs) did for 8-years as lap dogs for Obama and Democrats??? That’s delusional.

BTW... opposition is permitted in a democracy. Vocal opposition. Of course, some folks like you aren’t very open to that, as you comment above illustrates.

3. Hillary was always unlikable. But, according to the Left and its GIMPs, was the smartest woman in the world. She was Obama’s 3rd term, and Obama himself ran on that, along with their trying to scare Democrats. Did not work. Democrats voted for Trump in big enough numbers to wallop Hillary, and the rest of the party.

4. Americans have been getting their news from the same sources for 20-years.... or longer. So that’s an intellectual fart.

There was obviously a shift, back to reality. Obama was elected because he was black and wasn’t Bush. After smashing Bush 43 daily, they placed hope in this hollow young man. They shifted back after realizing what Hope and Change meant after 8-years.

5. This is about the election of Trump... which you responded to with a rant that was childlike in its quality.

As for what’s happened... he’s done a lot. That you haven’t noticed illustrates how blind you are.

PS. I had to laugh at how repetitive your posts have been. It seems you keep ejacualting the same terms over and over.

There is nothing here that refuted a word I said. You can keep presenting extreme right wing insanity all you like. Doesn't alter the facts. Trump's election had little to nothing to do with any shift. It had to do with Hillary's poor showing and the stupidity of many Americans believing the stupid right wing attacks on Obama. The economy has been in recovery for several years. The only ones who don't believe that are brainwashed anti-liberals.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Let’s continue and keep score.







Point 1.
Conservatives could not win anything without the assistance of Democrats. This phenomenon of Democrats of this sort has a historic name: Reagan Democrats.

It has been established that Democrats were necessary for Trump to win the election. Those who felt left out in Obama’s Hopes Changey socialist utopia. That’s why The Blue Wall States were ALL won by Trump.

We thank these Democrats for their votes.
SCORE: zimmer 1 - CC 0

Point 2.
Without the assistance of Democrats, Trump would have never won the election. Would not have been possible. It’s not even a question, it’s basic math coupled with a smidgen of common sense.
SCORE: zimmer 2 - CC 0

To be continued...

Independents pushed Trump over the edge, not Democrats. There are few "Reagan Democrats" around these days. The states that went from Obama to Trump did so due to Independents switching.

CC 1,000,000, zimmer absolute zero, as usual.