Democrats want to use the 25th Amendment to remove President Trump from Office

[zimmer]

I think I was trying to say it along the line of "Verdantly" though my pronunciation could be off.

Yes I have been to Democraticunderground, I currently have 3 permanently suspended accounts with them, and the admins are just ignoring me.

Been banned there once... learned to play along until election time comes around. Then enough credit has been built up so you can choose a candidate and be critical of the one likely to get the nomination... but they are hyper sensitive... LOL.

 

[Oborosen]

Been banned there once... learned to play along until election time comes around. Then enough credit has been built up so you can choose a candidate and be critical of the one likely to get the nomination... but they are hyper sensitive... LOL.

Hyper sensitive is being nice about it.
Just saying "Hey Hillary's stance wasn't that good either" Is akin to throwing a slug into a bowl of salt for almost all of them.

 

[zimmer]

Hyper sensitive is being nice about it.
Just saying "Hey Hillary's stance wasn't that good either" Is akin to throwing a slug into a bowl of salt for almost all of them.

Yep... learned that quick under my first handle Johnny Battleground. Was moderately critical of Hillary, and Whamo!... they slammed the door shut.

Since then I post nonsensical garbage occasionally (which is typical in undemocraticunderground.com) just so I can participate during presidential elections... and then only when they start get start a bit of infighting.

It's funny reading most of the time, because it's so absurd. Makes me miss the days of that comedy network... Air Ameri*a.

 

[Oborosen]

Yep... learned that quick under my first handle Johnny Battleground. Was moderately critical of Hillary, and Whamo!... they slammed the door shut.

Since then I post nonsensical garbage occasionally (which is typical in undemocraticunderground.com) just so I can participate during presidential elections... and then only when they start get start a bit of infighting.

It's funny reading most of the time, because it's so absurd. Makes me miss the days of that comedy network... Air Ameri*a.

I haven't heard that name in almost half a decade.. damn I'm feeling old.

 

[Cisero]

ROTFLOL... Au contraire, mon frère. (Quite to the contrary).

The post below clarifies matters brilliantly, and THE BLOG will always be easily found for when you come up with some coherent answers to the post I made. It's so easy to find, you don't have to bookmark it!!!

The Anatomy of a Dodging Demokrat SoapBoxer
https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/zimmer/1381-anatomy-dodging-demokrat-soapboxer.html

Bon apetit!!!

Pourquoi tu parles français mec. J'avoue que c'est une langue vachement classe, mais faut pas l'utiliser pour faire genre qu'on est super intelligent. Après peut-être que tu parles vraiment français ce qui serait super top. Tu viens d'où ?

TRANSLATION : oui oui baguette.

 

[zimmer]

Pourquoi tu parles français mec. J'avoue que c'est une langue vachement classe, mais faut pas l'utiliser pour faire genre qu'on est super intelligent. Après peut-être que tu parles vraiment français ce qui serait super top. Tu viens d'où ?

TRANSLATION : oui oui baguette.

I had French for 11-years in school... despised it. I like it when a hot babe raps in French though. It's an elegant sounding language that is pretty useless except for in parts of CH, F and some African nations. What they grunt in Quebec, I understand isn;t understood by the French, so does it qualify?

German, some Swedish is more up my ally.

Prost!

Is that a baguette avec fromage et jambon? Which is no longer as popular as McD's burgers!

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Perhaps you missed this, as you seem to have been very busy with other things

It seems you were overwhelmed... so... Let's try getting through my rebuttal to your SOAPBOX POST this way. In baby steps. Here is point 1 in my rebuttal to your SOAPBOX POST... but before we get into the meat of it:

If I do not get a response, I will take it that you accept my argument as the correct one, and in 48-hours... will move on to POINT #2... unless you ask for an extension of time.


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Part 1 in response to your post:

Let me assist you further with the thinking process needed to answer:

Were "they" all R's who voted Trump in Blue Wall States?

Or even in the primaries?

Is it possible D's voted for him too?

Is it possible disillusioned 2-time Obama voters pulled the lever for Trump in Blue Wall states on Nov. 8, 2016?

Is it possible many R's did not vote because they did not support Trump? What some called "Never Trumpers" or just not Thrilled with Trump?

Is it possible many of these former Obama voters saw Hillary as an extension of Obama, and saw him as an immature anti-American "child", and did not want a third term of their anti-American agenda?

Is it possible "they" saw a businessman, not bought by anyone who was the straightest talking individual running for office in their lifetime, and wanted him to turn the ratty vessel called the Federal Government around... in a pro-American direction?

Is it possible they saw in Trump, someone on their side? Someone who would get ObamaKare repealed, Taxes lowered, illegal immigration halted, take on terrorism, strengthen the military, and build a wall... as just part of their reasoning?

With his win in Blue Wall States, this would mean "they" were not all Republicans, but very many were Demo*rats who felt abandoned by the Demo*rat Partei.

You carry on from here. If you need further assistance, I'm a click away.

Let me know when you're ready for Part 2... or... we will chalk Part 1 as YOUR ACCEPTANCE of my argument correcting your false statement.

WE can get through this TOGETHER.

You do understand that "is it possible" offers nothing in the way of debate. It's just you making assumptions, assumptions that you cannot prove. I can come up with lots of "is it possibles" too. But I do notice that, instead of reposting your soapboxing, ridiculous right wing hack comments, you actually veered away from that old standard and posted something that actually tried to discuss something. Shame it really offered a quick observation that sunk the entire post.

But tell you what, zim. I give you credit for actually trying to debate like a poster who is actually interested in debate, rather than what you usually do, so I will ask you 2 questions that, if you choose to not sink into your usual soapboxing right wing hackery, could cause you a bit of redemption.

Why do you believe that people voted for Trump?
Why do you believe that people did not vote for Trump?

Let's see if you can handle this.

 

[zimmer]

Breaking it down so you can reference it:

1. You do understand that "is it possible" offers nothing in the way of debate. It's just you making assumptions, assumptions that you cannot prove.

2. I can come up with lots of "is it possibles" too. But I do notice that, instead of reposting your soapboxing, ridiculous right wing hack comments, you actually veered away from that old standard and posted something that actually tried to discuss something. Shame it really offered a quick observation that sunk the entire post.

3. But tell you what, zim. I give you credit for actually trying to debate like a poster who is actually interested in debate, rather than what you usually do, so I will ask you 2 questions that, if you choose to not sink into your usual soapboxing right wing hackery, could cause you a bit of redemption.

4. Why do you believe that people voted for Trump?
Why do you believe that people did not vote for Trump?

Let's see if you can handle this.

Handle it? If my brain flatlined, I'd still run circles around you.

You fail to understand:

1. "Is it possible" was crafted by me to assist with YOUR thinking, or lack thereof because it was obvious that you were hopelessly stumped... hence the endless DODGING. You have another explanation for who "they" are... then let's have it!!! ROTFLOL.

2. You came up with NO possibilities, expanded explanations, or corrections after I rebutted your emotional rant, and still haven't provided any. I prodded you about a half dozen times, and you DODGED... Everytime. For the 7th time... who "they" are not all Conservatives. Illegals perhaps? ROTFLOL...

3. You still have not answered my post, and are DODGING YET AGAIN. 7th post in a row.

4. For the 7th time, this is about your post. YOUR SOAPBOX rant (posted below). We are on point #1 of my response, which you have DODGED.

Once again, your OP, and my original response, for the what... 6th or 7th time... is below.

We are at Point #1 (bolded)... breaking it down, making baby steps so you do not get confused or distracted, as you were in your latest post/DODGE.

Looking forward to your reply to PART 1... then there is only 11 to go.

Cheers,
Zim

PS. Just Say No to DODGING.
We will get you through this... TOGETHER

Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

Zimmer' reply:

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

2. "They" won Trump the election.

3. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

4. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

5. The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

6. Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

7. All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

8. What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

9. We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

10. I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

11. Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

12. Talk about childish losers... Phew!

Last edited by zimmer; 07-04-17 at 02:38 PM.

 

[zimmer]

You do understand that "is it possible" offers nothing in the way of debate. It's just you making assumptions, assumptions that you cannot prove. I can come up with lots of "is it possibles" too. But I do notice that, instead of reposting your soapboxing, ridiculous right wing hack comments, you actually veered away from that old standard and posted something that actually tried to discuss something. Shame it really offered a quick observation that sunk the entire post.

But tell you what, zim. I give you credit for actually trying to debate like a poster who is actually interested in debate, rather than what you usually do, so I will ask you 2 questions that, if you choose to not sink into your usual soapboxing right wing hackery, could cause you a bit of redemption.

Why do you believe that people voted for Trump?
Why do you believe that people did not vote for Trump?

Let's see if you can handle this.

Point 2 should read:

2. You came up with NO possibilities, expanded explanations, or corrections after I rebutted your emotional rant, and still haven't provided any. I prodded you about a half dozen times, and you DODGED... Everytime.

So... For the 7th time... who "they"? "They" cannot all be Conservatives, as only 36% of the country identifies itself as "Conservative".

Illegals perhaps?

Demo*rats perhaps?

Or do you have another explanation?

ROTFLOL...
###
End of Point #2 correction.

You can come out and admit you screwed up with your emotional rant, but if not, I look forward to walking you through the remainder of my rebuttal to your SOAPBOX POST... point-by-point... so you can learn about debating instead of SOAPBOXING and DODGING... aka Hit-and-run-Demo*rat.

 

[slick]

LOL using a constitution amendment in a legal manner to deal an unstable and completely incompetent president is hardly under the same class as assassinating him.

Footnote we won at the ballot box by a few millions legal voters an as Trump is the second bad president we got from the electoral college in the last two decades we do need to look into addressing that problem.

Very frail post!

Let's go to California where Clinton got all the votes she needs for a plurality:
Clinton 8,753,798
Trump 4,483,810

So Clinton won the plurality one state California by 4,270,000 votes
While Trump won the plurality in the other 49 states by over 1,500,000 votes

THIS MAKES THEM OUT OF STEP:
'In the Spring of 2019, Californians will go to the polls in a historic vote to decide by
referendum if California should exit the Union, a #Calexit vote.'

READ CAREFULLY
They say "In our view, the United States of America represents so many things that conflict with Californian values”
Therefore the proponents of Calexit are admitting California values conflict with the rest of this country. Get it!!!!

Lots of reasons to question the rolls in California starting with their laws that automatically register EVERYONE,
including illegal immigrants, when they are issued a drivers license.

 

[BillRM]

Very frail post!

Let's go to California where Clinton got all the votes she needs for a plurality:
Clinton 8,753,798
Trump 4,483,810

So Clinton won the plurality one state California by 4,270,000 votes
While Trump won the plurality in the other 49 states by over 1,500,000 votes

THIS MAKES THEM OUT OF STEP:
'In the Spring of 2019, Californians will go to the polls in a historic vote to decide by
referendum if California should exit the Union, a #Calexit vote.'

READ CAREFULLY
They say "In our view, the United States of America represents so many things that conflict with Californian values”
Therefore the proponents of Calexit are admitting California values conflict with the rest of this country. Get it!!!!

Lots of reasons to question the rolls in California starting with their laws that automatically register EVERYONE,
including illegal immigrants, when they are issued a drivers license.

I remember all too well some of the positions of the southern/red states had taken in my life time.

Nothing like watching dogs and fire hoses being turn against children on my parents TV when they was marching for equal rights. Given the laws being pass in those states lately to harm anyone who life style is not approved by the good white Christians nothing had change to any great degree in those states since the days that federal troops was needed to allow small black children to attend public schools.

I am changing my position on Lincoln greatness in keeping the nation together as it seems likely that the blue states would had been far better off in every way without needing to drag the red states behind us.

 

[slick]

I remember all too well some of the positions of the southern/red states had taken in my life time.

Nothing like watching dogs and fire hoses being turn against children on my parents TV when they was marching for equal rights. Given the laws being pass in those states lately to harm anyone who life style is not approved by the good white Christians nothing had change to any great degree in those states since the days that federal troops was needed to allow small black children to attend public schools.

I am changing my position on Lincoln greatness in keeping the nation together as it seems likely that the blue states would had been far better off in every way without needing to drag the red states behind us.

Good for you, now we both agree on Lincoln's greatness.

 

[BillRM]

Too bad that I am a atheist and can not therefore blame the red states outrageous behaviors of late including electing Trump as god punishment for allowing the craving of most of those states out of another nation lands in order to have more slave states.

 

[zimmer]

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

Let’s resume at Point #2 in breaking down my replies to illustrate who precisely is an intellectual fraud.

I believe I replied that point #1 was answered by claiming Blue Wall D’s won Trump the election... not as you claim in the bolded section in your post above. There aren’t;t that many R’s to swing those states. D’s had to help him beat Criminal Hillary. It’s basic deduction.
Score Zim 1- CC 0

Point #2:
The economy is recovering wonderfully, ISIS is being decimated, taxes will be lowered, the electorate wants Obama’s Unaffordable care Act to be repealed, the military was depleted, as it always is under Socialist US leaders, and the Obama foreign policy was absurd and destructive (what did he achieve, except to piss off allies, and cower to our and fund our enemies (Cuba and Iran.)

Looking forward to your reply.

"They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

1. "They" won Trump the election.

2. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

3. If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

4. The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

5. Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

6. All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

7. What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

8. We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

9. I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

10. Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

Talk about childish losers... Phew!

 

[Lerxst]

The Electoral College has been around for over 200-years, I suspect that the Electoral College will be around in 2200, but who knows, anything can happen! Donald Trump played by the same rules as everyone else in the race, thereby, winning the race, fair and square!

FACTS: A win at the ballot box wasn't enough to put Al Gore or Hillary Clinton in the Whitehouse! Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, but you knew that already, didn't you?

You should be disturbed at this. But you aren't. Your candidate lost the vote of the American people, but secured the office via an outdated, unnecessary institutional mechanism that has no place in modern America. Had your Orange Jesus lost the same way Clinton did I am pretty sure the Trump Sycophant Army would be marching in the streets calling for a revolution. I base that solely on the bizarre, rabid behavior you all exhibit in defending the indefensible.

 

[zimmer]

Conservatives couldn't win with ideas or based on policies, so instead they elected an immature child who understands the concept of "bad press is better than no press". The stupidity of conservatives electing someone so incapable of handling the job is both sad and confusing... but not surprising. I am looking forward to seeing what Democrat will be in the White House in 2020.

We have completed 1 & 2.
Soon to become a Blog... again, as this is worth saving for the masses to ponder.

Now onto #3 in my quote box below.

But’s let’s do a short summary of 1 & 2.

1. The Blue Wall states helped elect Trump. These were Democrat states twice when Obama won, therefore Democrats had to switch party loyalties for Trump to win ALL the Blue Wall states.

2. Similar to point #1... with the addition of there had to be a reason they voted for Trump. This reason is because Democrats abandoned these people, treated them badly, and let them suffer for 8-years. The cause of bad economic policies, and open borders.

3. Trump was the only candidate, when he announced, who said he would stop illegals, and rip the criminal elements out of our society. No D or R had the guts to say it. He did the leading, the remainder did the following. This played well to disenfranchised Democrats. That and taking on China. Making America fertile ground for business to establish. Lower taxes. This obviously appealed to Democrats, as they were the ones who got Trump elected.

CC, are you still clinging bitterly to your laughable philosophy that Trump had no ideas? That the Democrats* who pushed Trump over the line (by a mile, as he won with Hillary’s numbers)... are “stupid”? Are you?

I understand you were frustrated when you wrote the above... but now with time to reflect, you can come out and admit your post was utter nonsense, based on emotion and not clear thinking.

* You say Conservatives, but that’s your emotion and partisanship shining through, for Conservatives alone couldn’t get anyone elected nationally. Trump won with a massive helping of Democrats... former Obama voters.

Trump won doing what the Right has claimed they’ve always wanted to do... broaden the tent... and Trump did.

1. "They"... were former D voters in states that felt left out in The Demokrats Amerika.

2 "They" won Trump the election.

3. "They" saw an anti-American party that didn't care about jobs, taxes, failed ObamaKare, the tsunami of illegal immigration, depleted military, and absurd foreign policy... and Trump addressed those issues in a manner that made them pull the lever for him.

If you look at the closing weeks of the election... The Obama's and Clintons went as low as they could go. They had no message. Trump on the other hand, kept pounding illegal immigration (down significantly), jobs/economy (on the rise), repealing ObamaKare, stronger military, dumping crap trade agreements and the like.

The Demokrats have lost their minds, and the Goebbels Media, formerly known as The Mainstream Media, have been a perfect example of that mind losing. They're not journalists... they're damn near insane. If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny. Actually, it is funny, because these clowns have revealed their true, ugly selves... and the ugliness of their supporters.

Hillary did not have an agenda, and Demokrats today still do not have one.

All Demokrats have to date is a regional, coastal party, and to display their displeasure at their current, self-inflicted wounds, they attempt to deny free speech (and in some instances succeed), vandalize, foment violence and are violent.

What are the Demokrats ideas? Weak military? Open borders? High taxation? Pro-abortion and baby part sales.

We've tried your idiotic ideas for a half century, and all it's gotten us is 20 TRILLION of debt, 65 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities, and most important for Demokrats... class warfare and a divided nation.

I say it's time for Demokrats to go sit in the corner and figure out how your perverted schemes have screwed the country.

Instead, 13% of Demokrats have signed onto this 25th amendment idiocy... and more are sure to follow.

Talk about childish losers... Phew!

 

[MSgt]

The Blue Wall states helped elect Trump. These were Democrat states twice when Obama won, therefore Democrats had to switch party loyalties for Trump to win ALL the Blue Wall states.

* You say Conservatives, but that’s your emotion and partisanship shining through, for Conservatives alone couldn’t get anyone elected nationally. Trump won with a massive helping of Democrats... former Obama voters.

This is not accurate. He won because Hillary Clinton was less attractive to the traditional Democratic base of urban, minorities, and more educated voters. Many of the former Obama voters abstained because they didn't want the responsibility when Clinton won. This is widely understood now.

Personally, I wound up taking the higher road because abstaining is not the action of a responsible voter. When the choice is poopoo or dookie, one must be a big boy and do what he has to do. Lucky for me, the lame duck didn't win and I don't have to claim today's embarrassing buffoon. It's win/win for me.

Trump won doing what the Right has claimed they’ve always wanted to do... broaden the tent... and Trump did.

Absolutely not.

Trump won because after eight years of whipping the constituency into a mindless mob of hate by the GOP (Tea Partiers) and Fox News over largely nothing, all it took was for somebody to come along and start tossing out leashes. He was elected on "Make America Great Again," "Build That Wall," "Lock Her Up," and "Drain the Swamp." Well, he tried to pass the Wall of to Mexico, he declared that he wasn't interested in even investigating Clinton, and he populated the swamp with those who created it. The fact that he flipped on all of it in quick fashion and that his enthusiastic mob merely shrugged, tells us that the constituency merely liked that somebody was thumbing his nose at all the things that they had been groomed to hate. Obama? The Donald will say something snide for us. Clinton? The Donald will say something snide for us. Black Lives Matter? The Donald will say something snide for us. Global Warming? The Donald will say something snide for us. Feminism? The Donald will say something snide for us. This is why his immature and highly unstatesman-like Tweets bring you all such joy. YOu all actually enjoy how stupid he looks making fun of Rubio still. The truth is that conservatives had spent so many years being told to hate everything and anything that they abandoned their supposed values last year and elected an anti-thesis with great jubilation (even as the GOP begged conservatives not to). Even military POWs was a subject for ridicule.

Entering the White House without an agenda is exactly why he has the worst "first 100 days" on record. It's exactly why he had no real plan to repeal Obamacare and merely borrowed off of the GOP's rhetoric (turned out that even they didn't have plan.)

And this is why you all elected him.

 

[zimmer]

This is not accurate. He won because Hillary Clinton was less attractive to the traditional Democratic base of urban, minorities, and more educated voters. Many of the former Obama voters abstained because they didn't want the responsibility when Clinton won. This is widely understood now.

Personally, I wound up taking the higher road because abstaining is not the action of a responsible voter. When the choice is poopoo or dookie, one must be a big boy and do what he has to do. Lucky for me, the lame duck didn't win and I don't have to claim today's embarrassing buffoon. It's win/win for me.



Absolutely not.

Trump won because after eight years of whipping the constituency into a mindless mob of hate by the GOP (Tea Partiers) and Fox News over largely nothing, all it took was for somebody to come along and start tossing out leashes. He was elected on "Make America Great Again," "Build That Wall," "Lock Her Up," and "Drain the Swamp." Well, he tried to pass the Wall of to Mexico, he declared that he wasn't interested in even investigating Clinton, and he populated the swamp with those who created it. The fact that he flipped on all of it in quick fashion and that his enthusiastic mob merely shrugged, tells us that the constituency merely liked that somebody was thumbing his nose at all the things that they had been groomed to hate. Obama? The Donald will say something snide for us. Clinton? The Donald will say something snide for us. Black Lives Matter? The Donald will say something snide for us. Global Warming? The Donald will say something snide for us. Feminism? The Donald will say something snide for us. This is why his immature and highly unstatesman-like Tweets bring you all such joy. YOu all actually enjoy how stupid he looks making fun of Rubio still. The truth is that conservatives had spent so many years being told to hate everything and anything that they abandoned their supposed values last year and elected an anti-thesis with great jubilation (even as the GOP begged conservatives not to). Even military POWs was a subject for ridicule.

Entering the White House without an agenda is exactly why he has the worst "first 100 days" on record. It's exactly why he had no real plan to repeal Obamacare and merely borrowed off of the GOP's rhetoric (turned out that even they didn't have plan.)

And this is why you all elected him.

Regardless of your excited diatribe... Conservatives could not elect Trump alone. Democrats had to vote to get Trump elected. That Blue Wall... died in totality... because Obama created misery on multiple levels, and Clinton was for continuing it.

Saw this while googling and had a good howl...

Trump won’t win. In fact, the US could be on the brink of a liberal renaissance, Michael Cohen
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ant-win-election-america-political-earthquake

PS. It’s nice of you to step in for CC. He doesn’t seem capable of defending his moronic post... blaming it all on... ROTFLMFAO... Conservatives.

 

[beancounter]

Trump's personality/demeanor is unfit for being the POTUS, but I doubt the 25th amendment applies in his case.

And even if the 25th is appropriate, a Republican majority gov't will not move forward with it. A tad hypocritical, since they impeached another president for an unethical (but not illegal) act.

I'm more concerned about potential conflicts of interest with his business and the possibility of him being compromised by the Russians.

And he never did release his tax return, and obviously never will. Only a very partisan person (or extremely gullible one) wouldn't raise an eyebrow to this. A little professional skepticism goes a long way...

But here is my prediction. The Republicans will continue to use him for as long as possible, and then when they feel the time is right, they will drop him like a hot potato - Using Mueller's investigation as a way to wash their hands of any responsibility for Trump's departure.

 

[MSgt]

That Blue Wall... died in totality... because Obama created misery on multiple levels....

But this would be that exaggerated mentality that was engineered for eight years until it got to the point where even the GOP lost control of the mob. Some examples...

1) The coal miners - It doesn't matter that Global Warming is real. It doesn't matter that our technology has developed to the point where renewable energy is not only the obvious future, but very sensible. What mattered to them was their jobs. And Obama was their blame for their misery. Along comes Trump to voice their anger and Obama blame for the future they loved him for it. And despite doing nothing about it one year later (because there is no fix for old technology), they still love him for it.

2) Black Lives Matter and NFL kneeling - It doesn't matter that black folks in low income neighborhoods and communities have an argument or that the evidence clearly shows that we do have cops who appear personally petrified while on the job. It doesn't matter that while perceiving the kneeling during the National Anthem as disrespectful, conservatives laughed over Trump's jab at McCain's status as a former POW. All Trump fans cared about was their "misery" as a white person in America who no longer has a fair shake. Trumps starts making comments and the people loved him for it.

3) Build that wall - This had everything to do with an exaggerated ideal that illegal immigrants take jobs and that terrorism is eventually going to walk across the border. These ideals of foreigners "ruining" America was based on nothing and the "misery" that people felt had everything to do with their own economic status. This is where the "America First" or "Make America Great Again" nonsense came from.

4) Of course, then there was Obamacare - It doesn't matter that the Affordable Care Act was reduced to simply "Obama"care in order to increase criticism. It doesn't matter that the people who were "forced" to purchase a plan had become far to dependent on ER visits, in which the hospitals simply turned around and looked to the taxpayer to recoup expenditures for providing health care to the uninsured. And as insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies looked to exploit the influx of new customers, people simply went along with the ideal that they were miserable because of "Obama"care.

So what we largely here, which accounts for this supposed "misery," are issues that are not going away. Trump cannot fix any of it. Global Warming is here, racial social issues persist, immigration continues, and Americans need health care. Obama was just a guy who tried to address the issues, whereas, Trump is just a guy who drops snide remarks and gives the fans a shallow sense of feeling better.

But the joke here is the confused mentality. It was Liberals and Democrats (and the unaffiliated) who saw no real representation in Clinton and thus they abstained in states where the DNC took for granted. But it was the Right who saw enthusiastic representation in Trump! They actually elected a guy, who embodies the Washington problem, to fix the problem; and then shrugged when he began flipping. Where did all that "misery" go? Hiring Trump is akin to hiring Jim Carey because America has too much of a comedy problem, then shrugging when he starts telling jokes.

I mean, lok at your own signature. "The Clintons are what happens when you have NO MORAL COMPASS." Can you seriously express this after Trump's behavior even on the campaign trail? Never mind his views on power and sexuality and callous committing of adultery when he though nobody was listening. But slamming POWs, the handicap, and today's blatant hypocrisy between Franken and Moore, and we see "no moral compass." The Left did not vote for this man. The supposed party of family values and good moral religiosity did.

PS. It’s nice of you to step in for CC. He doesn’t seem capable of defending his moronic post... blaming it all on... ROTFLMFAO... Conservatives.

I don't mean to step in, but c'mon man. Declaring that Trump won Blue states simply because former Obama voters flipped was not accurate at all. And I'm having trouble figuring out who conservatives are anymore. A lot has changed around here during my extended leave of absence.

 

[Lursa]

I read the article but not all the thread posts.

IMO, we definitely should not impeach The Donald until he does something illegal, is charged with something illegal, or does something potentially and imminently dangerous to the economy or security of the nation.

Because if Dems dont have an extremely credible foundation for the impeachment, *even if it was successful* the Trumpets in this country would lose their **** and it would cause even more division. Even now they consider anything negative against The Donald as false and just resentful Dems making stuff up (yeah, dont ask me how they justify the tweets and bleats directly from him).

It's too late to change the 2016 election results. Just keep giving him enough rope so that he'll hang himself. IMO the WH has their hands full trying to control him. I just hope they have 'enough' control to keep him from completely destroying our relationships with our allies and inflaming our enemies into disastrous consequences.

But just removing him from office without black and white, solid, justifiable reasons will cause a huge upheaval in this country. To be honest, I have no idea how it would be possible to prove without a doubt to the true Trumpets but I know they will not go quietly into this good night.

 

[poweRob]

zimmer resurrecting yet another old thread.

 

[Lursa]

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[CaptainCourtesy]

Regardless of your excited diatribe... Conservatives could not elect Trump alone. Democrats had to vote to get Trump elected. That Blue Wall... died in totality... because Obama created misery on multiple levels, and Clinton was for continuing it.

Saw this while googling and had a good howl...

Trump won’t win. In fact, the US could be on the brink of a liberal renaissance, Michael Cohen
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ant-win-election-america-political-earthquake

PS. It’s nice of you to step in for CC. He doesn’t seem capable of defending his moronic post... blaming it all on... ROTFLMFAO... Conservatives.

Firstly, zimmer, I've noticed that you have been necroing old threads and posts in order to detract from the disaster that is the GOP, currently, You'd like nothing better than to make sure that all of the news that shows just how slimy Republicans can be is off the DP front page. The post I made that you quoted was from JULY. There is nothing in what you wrote that rebukes it in any way. In fact, what you did was demonstrate just how ignorant and hackish you are about how Trump got elected. Some Blue states went for Trump not because of Democrats, but because of Independents who were influenced by the right wing media attacks on Obama over the past 8 years. Right wingers like you did everything possible to present Obama in a negative way, and, the American people generally being pretty stupid and listening to those who shout the loudest (which tend to be right wing hacks), many listened. Add to that the fact that Hillary presented herself as a very poor an unlikable candidate, plus her campaign fed right into the negativity that the Trump campaign set the tone for 2016 and Democrats were in trouble. It wasn't due to any shift. It was due to poor planning and a populace that prefers to get it's news from tabloid TV, often where loud and dishonest hackish right wingers provide commentary.

In the 4 months since I've made the original post, nothing has changed. Trump has failed with any major ideas or policies that he claimed during his campaign, has continued to be an immature child prone to temper tantrums, and conservatives STILL are completely clueless about this. I'm not sure how the GOP is going to recover from this debacle.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Moderator's Warning:

Btw, zimmer. From here on, any threads that you necro will be CLOSED. So stop doing this.