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Democrats vote to nominate Nancy Pelosi for House speaker

Chomsky said:
Well, there is the danger of it backfiring, and you lay that out well.

I mainly feel the Dems need a tough, strong, savvy, smart, cunning negotiator, in the interim 2 years. I just hope I haven't bought into old-way thinking that dooms the party in 2020.
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Hmm, you may be right. There is a huge difference between 2010 and now. The Democrats had a 78 seat majority in the house, an 18 seat majority in the senate and most important, the presidency. Next year the democrats will have only the house. So there will be no legislation being passed that the people back home would object to. Sure the House can pass whatever, the senate can easily vote it down and if it happened to slip past the senate, Trump would surely veto it.

Outside of the tax cuts, the Republicans did a pretty good job of stopping Trump's legislative agenda. With the right legislative agenda, the democrats could solidify their hold on the House, win back the senate and elect a president in two years. In other words, common sense legislation, not of the far out left. Independents after four straight election cycles voting Republican, 2010, 12, 14, 16 finally voted Democratic this midterm. Their dislike of Trump drove that vote. Perhaps the question we should be addressing is can Pelosi give independents another reason to stick with the Democrats to go along with their dislike of Trump?

Looking back on Pelosi, she did a good job in 2007-08 when Bush was president. Then went overboard when the Democrats controlled everything, 2009-10. Perhaps we'll see the Pelosi of 07-08? Time will tell.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (CNN) Democrats vote to nominate Nancy Pelosi for House speaker

I don't think there was ever too much doubt of today's outcome.

And I believe for the Dems, it is in their best interests.
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This is one of those moments that reinforces my belief not to believe anything they promise when trying to get elected.

Many of their voters were promised a vote against her leadership. That isn't what they are getting.

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Chomsky said:
Yes, of course.

But good luck in anyone else getting 218. I think her detractors know this. I think many also want to find a way to vote for her.
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The woman knows how to keep her side in line. We'll see if she's able to keep that record with the new Democrat-Socialists that have been elected. I think she'll get their vote for Speaker, but she's going to have a hell of a time with the Progressives, the Liberals, the Blue Dogs, and now a decent number of Democrat-Socialists fighting for attention and power.

I thought the GOP had a hard time with the Freedom Caucus. The Democrats are going to have a hell of a time with 4 competing ideological factions, not to leave out the identity politics groups like the BCC, and others.

I hope she's successful. I truly do. Not in her ideological agenda, but in governing. Because if she isn't, the last two years will be made to look like a calm walk in the park compared to the childish bull**** from her numerous caucuses and ideological groups that will override any attempts at governing. And I seriously doubt that the GOP will be much if any help.
 
bearpoker said:
She'll be unopposed on the Democratic side. There are several Democrats who ran on a pledge not to vote for her. I don't see them voting Republican so they'll have to abstain. The vote will be close because of that.
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Dems are already breaking campaign promises, they'll vote for her.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (CNN) Democrats vote to nominate Nancy Pelosi for House speaker

I don't think there was ever too much doubt of today's outcome.

And I believe for the Dems, it is in their best interests.
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It will interesting to see if the new arrivals are as partisan as Pelosi. They all run on bipartisanship and “getting things done for the ‘Mercan people”, but that is not how the big things work.

Good luck with that. The reality is that for the last 40 years its been about providing a united front against the Republicans.
 
Roadvirus said:
So instead of a fresh face, the Dems will once again support the wrinkled old prune.

On the other hand, being able to paint Nutty Nancy as the face of the Democrat-controlled House should give the GOP material for 2020 congressional races.
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I love reading this Pelosi-hate from conservatives that can’t explain why, exactly, they hate her. All they can do is ridicule her age, which is 78. At 70, she got the ACA and the Stimulus passed, over Republican opposition. Meanwhile, Paul Ryan, ~40 years younger presided over the least effective House in modern history.
 
vesper said:
Gosh the GOP is thrilled Pelosi will be head of the House. :mrgreen: Shoot there's several incumbent dems who said to their constituents they would not support Pelosi yet they have already flipped. Guess their word is worthless. :mrgreen:

Now what the GOP needs to do is really highlight the ****hole known as Pelosi's district destroyed by leftist policies every day till the election in 2020. The massive number of homeless living on the streets using the sidewalks and streets to defecate. The rampant drug problem where addicts shoot up on the streets and in bus stations leaving their needles all over the place because they don't take border security seriously and cheap heroine is readily accessible. The massive amounts of trash left laying about. There are growing number of areas in San Fran that look like a third world country and have become a major health hazard and unfortunately it isn't the only area in California suffering the same problems. And the sad part is it is costing the state and cities millions upon millions just to clean up after these people when the money could have been spent in housing and shelters with bathrooms and workers to assist those addicted to drugs and assist those who need a job and assist those who need a roof over their head.


Yeah if I was in charge of the GOP, I would highlight every damn failed policy of the left and ask people if that is what they want coming to their neighborhoods. I believe the answer would be an overwhelming NO.
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California ranks 48th in opioid overdose death rate, and 45th in all drug overdose death rate. Lots and lots of red states with a lot more drug addicts per capita than California (almost all of them, actually).
 
Greenbeard said:
California ranks 48th in opioid overdose death rate, and 45th in all drug overdose death rate. Lots and lots of red states with a lot more drug addicts per capita than California (almost all of them, actually).
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Moreover, poverty is worse in rural America than in San Francisco. Super red Mississippi is dead last in education, is high on everything bad and low on everything good. Yet, they vote R.
 
MTAtech said:
I love reading this Pelosi-hate from conservatives that can’t explain why, exactly, they hate her. All they can do is ridicule her age, which is 78. At 70, she got the ACA and the Stimulus passed, over Republican opposition. Meanwhile, Paul Ryan, ~40 years younger presided over the least effective House in modern history.
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You need reasons why we despise Pelosi?

How about cramming a failed and incredibly expensive ACA bill down people's throats and making people pay a penalty if they don't want it? How did that work out? Its been collapsing from its own ineptitude.

Or how about, "We have to pass it so we will know what's in it"? How ignorant and lazy is that?

Or how about her pro-sanctuary city nonsense that's getting Americans killed?

Or how about Pelosi and Company's approval of illicit gay marriage, turning America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, inviting the wrath of God?

Or her pro abortion, butcher the babies crusades?

There's plenty of reasons to despise that witch and her far left liberal policies I haven't mentioned, but that's enough for now.
 
MTAtech said:
I love reading this Pelosi-hate from conservatives that can’t explain why, exactly, they hate her. All they can do is ridicule her age, which is 78. At 70, she got the ACA and the Stimulus passed, over Republican opposition. Meanwhile, Paul Ryan, ~40 years younger presided over the least effective House in modern history.
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You do know when ACA and Stimulus was passed Dems had absolute control of both houses, right? ACA passed with out a single GOP vote - didn't need any.
 
Bullseye said:
You do know when ACA and Stimulus was passed Dems had absolute control of both houses, right? ACA passed with out a single GOP vote - didn't need any.
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Not a big Ryan fan, but how do leftists get to the point of blaming him for the Dem's crap?
 
trixare4kids said:
Not a big Ryan fan, but how do leftists get to the point of blaming him for the Dem's crap?
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Lefties just disgorge a string of random RW targets whether they have anything to do with the topic or not. They can't help themselves.
 
MTAtech said:
Pelosi is the most successful Speaker in 100 years, which is why Republicans demonize her. We have a madman in the White House and it isn’t time to hand over the roll of containing that madman to someone who never did it.
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I am curious what you base the first claim on -not arguing against it-just wondering what your criteria is

the second part is just silly nonsense though.
 
PTF said:
Correction...
We had a madman in the White House.
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that's as stupid as the TDS nonsense. Obama was a lousy president IMHO and his policies sucked but calling him a madman is just plain dumb.
 
Roadvirus said:
So instead of a fresh face, the Dems will once again support the wrinkled old prune.

On the other hand, being able to paint Nutty Nancy as the face of the Democrat-controlled House should give the GOP material for 2020 congressional races.
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Pelosi is loved by the party faithful, the activists, the people who live and die for the Democrat party. People who are precinct chairmen, ward leaders, union presidents, Soros funded activists, etc. Pelosi is detested by many people who vote split tickets or sometimes vote AGAINST a GOP candidate rather than FOR a DNC candidate. She is a good caricature of what many people don't like about the left coast, and the urban elite leaders of the Democrat party.

so she pleases the people who run the party, fund the candidates and call the shots while alienating the average voter who doesn't belong to either party-or nominally does for the purposes of voting in primaries. So she will please the party leaders while helping the GOP at the same time
 
Bullseye said:
Lefties just disgorge a string of random RW targets whether they have anything to do with the topic or not. They can't help themselves.
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I actually have come to believe that they are revisionists by design or are willfully stupid.
And it's not just leftists. The never-Trumpers are even worse. I can excuse the left's blind partisanship/stupidity, but a Republican's, .. um, no.
 
trixare4kids said:
I actually have come to believe that they are revisionists by design or are willfully stupid.
And it's not just leftists. The never-Trumpers are even worse. I can excuse the left's blind partisanship/stupidity, but a Republican's, .. um, no.
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What you cannot accept a republican not supporting the orange baboon? That seems like the definition of bling partisanship there.
 
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