Democrats To Start Without GOP Input

[KidRocks]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Remember how the Democrats demanded bipartisanship and ran on the premise that they would govener by compromise and bipartisianship.

Well out the window that goes

[SIZE=+2]Democrats To Start Without GOP Input[/SIZE]
Quick Passage of First Bills Sought
[SIZE=-1]By Lyndsey Layton and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, January 2, 2007; A01
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As they prepare to take control of Congress this week and face up to campaign pledges to restore bipartisanship and openness, Democrats are planning to largely sideline Republicans from the first burst of lawmaking.
House Democrats intend to pass a raft of popular measures as part of their well-publicized plan for the first 100 hours. They include tightening ethics rules for lawmakers, raising the minimum wage, allowing more research on stem cells and cutting interest rates on student loans.
But instead of allowing Republicans to fully participate in deliberations, as promised after the Democratic victory in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, Democrats now say they will use House rules to prevent the opposition from offering alternative measures, assuring speedy passage of the bills and allowing their party to trumpet early victories.

Damn right the Democrats are going exclude the Republicans during their well-publicized plan for their first 100 hours, everyone knew that, I knew that!

The first 100 hours are are specifically to try to unravel and reverse much crap the Republicans legislated such as cutting interest rates on student loans, minimum-wage, stuff like that.

Using House rules to keep the Republicans from obstucting the first 100 hours is a brilliant idea, I love it! I'm sure the Republican rats would love to show up the Democrats (by obstructing/blocking) their first first 100 hour pledge!

The hell with the Republicans during the Democrats first 100 hours at work pledge.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Damn right the Democrats are going exclude the Republicans during their well-publicized plan for their first 100 hours, everyone knew that, I knew that!

Yes.
They lied outright, and you're not just happy about it -- you're proud of it.

 

[KidRocks]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Yes.
They lied outright, and you're not just happy about it -- you're proud of it.

Show me where they lied! You can't can you?

If anyone lied it was the Republicans who claimed they would work with the Democrats, instead it was reported that the Republicans would try to obstruct the Democrats first 100 hours plan just out of spite.

What liars the Republicans are and will proceed to be! What damn obstructionists!

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Damn right the Democrats are going exclude the Republicans during their well-publicized plan for their first 100 hours, everyone knew that, I knew that!

Good so you admit they lied during the campaign.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Show me where they lied! You can't can you?

You really ought to pay attention.

But instead of allowing Republicans to fully participate in deliberations, as promised after the Democratic victory in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, Democrats now say they will use House rules to prevent the opposition from offering alternative measures, assuring speedy passage of the bills and allowing their party to trumpet early victories.

 

[KidRocks]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Good so you admit they lied during the campaign.

No, but I must admit that you guys are lying, that is plain to see.

Now, admit it, the Republicans are planning to obstruct aren't they? Thus, that makes Republicans the liars, thus THEY lied during the campaign didn't they?

LOL... and I love it!

 

[niftydrifty]

Everyone does it, so its OK, eh?

My response was to a question concerning how I felt. How do I feel? No different.

If you knew me, or tried to perceive me, rather than making judgements or ASSuming knowledge, you'd know that I have an intense longstanding disdain for our two party system, and its two parties.

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: And the lies keep coming

The seem to be working with them just as well as Republicans worked with the Democrats as promised by Mr. "I'm a uniter not a divider."

The point is that the Dems ran on a platform of cooperation and are now reneging on that promise before they even get started. This, of course begs the question: What else did they lie about? Maybe this is it, the idea of a bi-partisan congress going out the window is teh one and only thing that the Dems lied about in thier compaigning, but would you put money on that?

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Just get a kick out of you cons whining now about the same stuff you did.

The Dems painted themselves as being the ones holding moral high ground, and the first thing they do is renege on one of thier primary positions and you think that's OK?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Re: And the lies keep coming

bumped for the kid -

You really ought to pay attention.

But instead of allowing Republicans to fully participate in deliberations, as promised after the Democratic victory in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, Democrats now say they will use House rules to prevent the opposition from offering alternative measures, assuring speedy passage of the bills and allowing their party to trumpet early victories.

So how does it feel to have been lied to?

 

[Caine]

Re: And the lies keep coming

How did he NOT work with them? The Democrats refused to be bipartisian not the other way around and when he did work with them they stabbed him in the back. And remember he was elected to do what the voters who voted for him wanted him to do not the Dems who did not vote for him.

being bi-partisan doesn't mean agreeing with everything the Republicans do.

Thats called being stupid.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

being bi-partisan doesn't mean agreeing with everything the Republicans do.

I see.

And so, the GOP can be bi-partisan w/o agreeing with everything the Dems want to do.

Right?

Because if you're a Dem that believes that, you're one of the tiny few.

 

[Caine]

Re: And the lies keep coming

I see.

And so, the GOP can be bi-partisan w/o agreeing with everything the Democrats want to do.

Right?

Because if you're a Democrat that believes that, you're one of the tiny few.

Being Bi-Partisan means you both already agree on the matter (rare, but some bills had bi-partisan support from the start).

Or.... the word of the day.... COMPROMISING.

Being Bi-Partisan doesn't mean folding and giving up to the Majority party.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Being Bi-Partisan means you both already agree on the matter (rare, but some bills had bi-partisan support from the start).
Or.... the word of the day.... COMPROMISING.
Being Bi-Partisan doesn't mean folding and giving up to the Majority party.

OK then... given your definition here (which is at least nominally correct, IMHO)
-When was the last time the Dems were bipartisan?
-Given the story here, are they being bi-partisan, presently?

 

[Caine]

Re: And the lies keep coming

OK then... given your definition here (which is at least nominally correct, IMHO)
-When was the last time the Democrats were bipartisan?
-Given the story here, are they being bi-partisan, presently?

Umm... are you reading the word at all.

BI-Partisan

The question isn't answered because one group cannot be Bi-Partisan.

One group can TRY to be Bi-Partisan.

But the word Bi means there must be two sides in order to accomplish it.

So, if the Democrats were TRYING to be Bi-Partisan in the last 12 years or so, who would even know?

I will say that the Anti-Torture bill was a Bi-Partisan agreement, where those who were closer to the middle of the GOP and most all of the Democrats (Moderate/conservative/liberals) agreed on it.

Some whacko nut job Republicans didn't agree on it, but for the most part is was one of those "we already had the same views" on the issue sort of Bi-Partisanship.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

No, but I must admit that you guys are lying, that is plain to see.

Nope it is you who is lying unless you can post where anyone has lied about what the Dems said. Which you can't so don't bother.

Now, admit it, the Republicans are planning to obstruct aren't they?

Why shouldn't they? The Dems laid out the premise that it is the DUTY of the opposition party to OPPOSE. They should do just as the Dems did and use the filibuster in the Senate.

Thus, that makes Republicans the liars, thus THEY lied during the campaign didn't they?

No, and you haven't shown where they did while we on my side can just cite what the Dems are now saying versus what they said during the campaign. There is no use in trying to deflect it, it is quite clear they were lying.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

being bi-partisan doesn't mean agreeing with everything the Republicans do.

Thats called being stupid.

When it is the other way around it certainly did.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Umm... are you reading the word at all.

BI-Partisan

The question isn't answered because one group cannot be Bi-Partisan.

One group can TRY to be Bi-Partisan.

Not according to the Dems, bipartisan meant that the Republicans, as the majority, had to do what the Dems wanted. And the Dems stated quite clearly that the job of the minority party was to oppose and obstruct, that they were not going to roll over and allow the Republicans to determine legislation so when the Republicans do the same let's see how hypocritical the Dems really are.

 

[RightinNYC]

Everyone is getting too hyped or too defensive about this.

Fellow conservatives - They're operating under the same rules the Republican Congress operated under for the past few years, so its not like its unheard of. However, it is a shame, because...

Liberals - During much of the past few years, Republican leaders in Congress operated under a rule structure that forced Democrats out of decision-making, limited their power to object or offer amendments, and caused serious divisions between the parties. This was a bad move that served to cause rancor between the parties, limited compromise, and led to the Republican defeat in 06.

The Democratic campaign in 06 railed against this tactic, claiming (correctly) that it resulted in a stunted Congress that was hardly bi-partisan and was quite unfair. They promised that this would not be the way that business was conducted in the next Congress, and made several public gestures to try to reiterate this message.

Now, after victory, they are claiming that they will revert to the old rules, but only after they get the legislation that want through. This is distressing. After hearing so many claims that the old system of rules resulted in bad laws, partisan rancor, and inept government, one would think that if the Democrats really believed that, they wouldn't try to pass more laws under that system. Instead, we're seeing that they are agreeing to change, maybe, once they get what they want.

I'm not surprised in the slightest, because its common sense. They already got what they wanted (a victory), so they can afford to break some promises now in the hopes that people will forget about it two years from now. I'm not surprised, but it certainly doesn't engender any faith in the Democrat's ability to campaign honestly.

What is the result of this going to be? Republicans are going to throw a ****-fit (rightly so), and will make moves to limit the Democrats power (rightly so, as I'm sure most of you supported when it was the other way around), and we're going to see another session of Congress start off divided while the public continues to lose faith in our government. Yippee.

 

[ModerateDem]

Re: And the lies keep coming

They promised to include the Republicans and engage in compromise and bipartisanship and already the lie is being exposed. Bush did work with Democrats and they stabbed him in the back. We are talking about the Congress here. So do you admit they lied?

Who says they wont? Remember it is only January 2 and there are things that they wanted to put out first. Everyone who is in charge always have this discretion.

 

[ModerateDem]

Re: And the lies keep coming

When it is the other way around it certainly did.

No it didnt. It is called compromise not total compliance with the other side. that is what Bi-partisanship entails even when the situations were reversed.

 

[Caine]

Re: And the lies keep coming

When it is the other way around it certainly did.

Says who Stinger??????? Says who????

Don't debate me assuming that I share the opinions with others who have stated these things. I can't stand that about you, you make sweeping generalizations.

 

[ModerateDem]

Re: And the lies keep coming

The point is that the Democrats ran on a platform of cooperation and are now reneging on that promise before they even get started. This, of course begs the question: What else did they lie about? Maybe this is it, the idea of a bi-partisan congress going out the window is teh one and only thing that the Dems lied about in thier compaigning, but would you put money on that?

being that it is only January 2 into the new year we still have 364 days this year to see what will unfold in the house and several . Anyone who is so quick as to attack them on January 2 of the new year is not only ignorant but has an agenda up their sleeve and refuses to even watch and see what will unfold. Time will only tell if they are good on their promises. It is completely stupid to complain this early.

 

[Caine]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Not according to the Democrats, bipartisan meant that the Republicans, as the majority, had to do what the Dems wanted. And the Dems stated quite clearly that the job of the minority party was to oppose and obstruct, that they were not going to roll over and allow the Republicans to determine legislation so when the Republicans do the same let's see how hypocritical the Dems really are.

I don't think you have ever been in the position to judge what the "Democrats" have said. Nor what they wanted, nor what their intent are.

Why?

Because you are so partisan that any time you make an opinion out about Democrats you do it to misconstrue them into the way that you view them, when the fact remains that you are delusional.

 

[Stinger]

Re: And the lies keep coming

Who says they wont? Remember it is only January 2 and there are things that they wanted to put out first. Everyone who is in charge always have this discretion.

:rofl there were no qualifications in what they said and you are in no position to add them in order to defend them. They were quite clear in what they said and now they are reneging.