Democrats push to eliminate the debt ceiling, allow unlimited government borrowing

[Kushinator]

Everything I've stated is a fact.

No it's not.

Deficit ≠ Overspending

That you refuse to acknowledge why is beyond the point, and certainly has nothing to do with your inability to understand the basis of Keynesianism.

 

[MTAtech]

Why is it always Republicans threatening the American public with government shut downs or crashing our credit rating by refusing to pay for the things we have already voted on?

And why does these threats only come when there is a Democratic president?

Americans don't like living under threats.

We need to get the Republican party the heck outta there.

Yeah, you know? It's almost like Republicans are being disingenuous, dishonest and hypocritical.

 

[Cope]

They're your people... im not the one here trying to defend / support them by telling lies.

Actually, we are all the same people. But! but! Identity politics, you simply can't get past that us/them mentality.

That mandated shutdowns didn't really shut down much of anything other than where crowds of people were concerned.

Like shopping? Like restaurants? Gee willickers?!! No, nothing to see here!

Imagine that!

Again, restaurants, bars, strip clubs, etc... that would have refused to close were operated by the types who would have shown up on Jan 6th.

Again with the us/them mentality and you wonder why people feel those who think like you (primarily Democrats) are such high and mighty pricks.

In-n-Out didn't believe in Covid-19.

And?

 

[mrjurrs]

why do you not see it as the Democrats holding the country hostage ?

Because the world is not concerned with our debt, they are concerned with us paying our debts.

 

[Kushinator]

Actually, we are all the same people.

Speak for yourself.

Like shopping? Like restaurants? Gee willickers?!! No, nothing to see here!

Are you confused about what you've originally decided to respond to?

It has already been established that businesses were closing on their own long before any mandate. You've admitted as much and then went on to contradict yourself.

And?

That's why we can't have nice things. The stupids ruin everything.

 

[hecatmoggie]

No they are not. They are using this for political points only. They will rant a bit about 'waste' (which means money spent on projects that don't go to their donors) What the dems 'seem' to be doing looks like a very bias opinion on your part. Not really worth much as we all know the 'pubs only seem to be against 'uncontrolled' spending...

'Right now' is meaningless. A snapshot in 33 trillion. Might as well say throwing a cup of water on a grass fire is trying to get a grip...

What the goal here for the Dems is removing an extortion tool from the MAGA morons. The shutdown stunt has served no good purpose, hurt our economy and cost the 'pubs votes.

Stupid gamesmanship where no one wins...

we'll see how it plays out

if its political points AND brings a little accountability to the gross Fed Govt spending all the better

the Democrats are being the terrorists here and extortionists, demanding unlimited spending with no accountability - we've had that for what, 16 years now? lets do something different

our economy isn't hinging on this - Biden and Democrats have had several years of torching our economy

 

[hecatmoggie]

Because the world is not concerned with our debt, they are concerned with us paying our debts.

and how are we going to pay 32 trillion in debt if we spent 3 trillion more per year than we bring in ?

 

[mrjurrs]

and how are we going to pay 32 trillion in debt if we spent 3 trillion more per year than we bring in ?

Change the tax structure. Why do you say 3 trillion? In 2022 the deficit was less than 1/2 that figure.

Oh, I remember. That was the deficit in 2020, the last year of the elected R's presidency.

 

[D_NATURED]

Oh, is there a debt ceiling? I hadn't noticed. When the tax and spend Democrats or the borrow and steal repubs get going, the idea of a ceiling is absurd.

This much I know, each administration can't continue to add 3 trillion to the debt. And, if that's the only way to make America work, we are ****ed.

We have become the family who displays all the trappings of success but, in reality, live off of credit cards. The hole gets deeper and deeper.

I don't know the answer but I know what isn't. Unchecked military spending is one. Unchecked handouts for the poor is another, and if anyone, henceforth, suggests tax cuts, they should be tarred and feathered.

 

[LouC]

DUMB MOVE

In my opinion, and this push is only being made for some unreasonable political reasoning.

 

[Tbird19482]

Leaving out Reagan, BushI, and II... how 'honest' your examples are.

Now tRump increased the debt in 4 almost as much as Obama (with 4 years of Republican control of Congress) did in 8.

Republicans have tried this stunt repeatedly with negative result, what makes you think this time will be any different????

and as soon as you show the people on the right how the debt went up under Trump the first thing a lot of them say is BUT COVID BUT COVID
they are always looking for an excuse
Have a nice day

 

[Fishking]

No it's not.

Deficit ≠ Overspending

That you refuse to acknowledge why is beyond the point, and certainly has nothing to do with your inability to understand the basis of Keynesianism.

It most definitely is overspending in every sense of the word. That you are confused by something so basic is ridiculous.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Change the tax structure. Why do you say 3 trillion? In 2022 the deficit was less than 1/2 that figure.

Oh, I remember. That was the deficit in 2020, the last year of the elected R's presidency.

how much has Biden signed off on, in spending, in the last 2 years since he became President ?

how are we going to pay for that? remember the liberal arguments put forth already, that 32 trillion and mass spending doesn't affect you and I and that its a small number and we could have many trillions more for fun

 

[Kushinator]

It most definitely is overspending in every sense of the word.

That's your opinion. It is interesting to note that you never cried about it before, because you weren't here the last time.

But when deficits grew every year under Trump, there was none of this ignorant outrage from you. Nobody is surprised.

 

[mrjurrs]

how much has Biden signed off on, in spending, in the last 2 years since he became President ?

how are we going to pay for that? remember the liberal arguments put forth already, that 32 trillion and mass spending doesn't affect you and I and that its a small number and we could have many trillions more for fun

That question would be irrelevant based on current evidence, anything they've spent they've paid for a portion of it, otherwise the deficit would have grown, not dropped.

You'd prefer not spending any money on infrastructure? Luring chip manufacturers back to the US? Spending money to enhance veteran benefits? Attempting to mitigate the impact of climate change on America? You'll need a source for that last claim.

 

[jonny5]

how much has Biden signed off on, in spending, in the last 2 years since he became President ?

how are we going to pay for that? remember the liberal arguments put forth already, that 32 trillion and mass spending doesn't affect you and I and that its a small number and we could have many trillions more for fun

He signed off on about 8 trillion, but half of that was similar to other Presidents, discretionary. However had he got his way it would be worse. He proposed spending 72 trillion over the next decade (which includes mandatory spending). And adding another 14 trillion in debt.

Thats 58 trillion created by people working, taken out of their hands. And another 14 borrowed on our behalf. In just 10 years. 25% of every dollar. Just to the federal govt. How much to states and locals take on top of that?

And Dems want to make the possibilities of debt unlimited.

 

[Fishking]

That's your opinion. It is interesting to note that you never cried about it before, because you weren't here the last time.

Not an opinion, but you can be wrong about it. Idc.

But when deficits grew every year under Trump, there was none of this ignorant outrage from you. Nobody is surprised.

Irrelevant. I never said it was only one President or another. It's been all and you have no clue what I was outraged about or not. I'm not even outraged now. Closest thing I'm outraged about this subject are the really stupid shit that you've written. But, again, you can be wrong....idgaf.

 

[Chomsky]

your source made a lot of conditions and concessions and excuses to make Biden look better

I don't do that

hard numbers look better to me - tell me what the national debt was the day Biden took office - and what it is right now, and that's what has happened under his watch. Same for Obama and Trump and all the others.

IIRC Obama really added massive debt, Trump continued it, Biden is setting new records with as much as 9-10 trillion in 4 years

When Obama was sworn in on Jan. 20, 2009, the debt was $10.626 trillion.1 When he left office on Jan. 20, 2017, it was $19.937 trillion. 9 trillion added in 8 years

The national debt stood at $19.9 trillion when President Trump took office in January 2017, and it reached a high of $27 trillion in October 2020. 7 trillion added in 4 years

we are today at 31.5 trillion - Biden hascite your source. added 4.5 trillion in 2 years

If you dispute my source's numbers, please cite your source.

Also, how can we hold Biden responsible for the budget year he inherited from Trump? By calculating your way, the new administrations are getting one year of of the prior administration.

Quite honestly, this difference on how to calculate the years looks like cherry-picking on your part making the results superfluous. In fact, you're trying to extrapolate the next two years of Biden's numbers, which is hypothesis on your part. As the numbers stand today, by your own admission both Trump and Obama added more to the budget that Biden. So, that's that.

 

[Kushinator]

Not an opinion, but you can be wrong about it. Idc.

We've been through this already. You're wrong.

Closest thing I'm outraged about this subject are the really stupid shit that you've written. But, again, you can be wrong....idgaf.

I've continued to refute your partisan ignorance throughout this exchange. All you continue to respond with is "nu uh" while repeatedly confusing your opinion as fact.

 

[Deuce]

It most definitely is overspending in every sense of the word. That you are confused by something so basic is ridiculous.

Not by the definition most people would use. You want to keep whining about semantics instead of substance, that just further proves how weak your point is. Obviously, you wouldn't personally suggest that a one dollar deficit is a crisis of overspending. Therefore the amount of deficit that is appropriate is a matter of opinion.

 

[Citizen]

why do you not see it as the Democrats holding the country hostage ?

Because the democrats NEVER used the debt ceiling to hold the country hostage. When Bush and Trump were president, the democrats always agreed to raise the debt ceiling.

 

[Deuce]

why do you not see it as the Democrats holding the country hostage ?

...because Democrats aren't the ones demanding to be given things in exchange for not harming America. What the hell is this shit? "Gee guys the hostage taker and the FBI negotiator really are the same, am I right?" LOL!

 

[hecatmoggie]

That question would be irrelevant based on current evidence, anything they've spent they've paid for a portion of it, otherwise the deficit would have grown, not dropped.

You'd prefer not spending any money on infrastructure? Luring chip manufacturers back to the US? Spending money to enhance veteran benefits? Attempting to mitigate the impact of climate change on America? You'll need a source for that last claim.

what you're doing is justifying 32 trillion spending OVER what the US Fed Govt brings in - which is exactly why the USA is in the mess its in

 

[vegas giants]

what you're doing is justifying 32 trillion spending OVER what the US Fed Govt brings in - which is exactly why the USA is in the mess its in

What mess has been caused by the debt?

 

[hecatmoggie]

If you dispute my source's numbers, please cite your source.

Also, how can we hold Biden responsible for the budget year he inherited from Trump? By calculating your way, the new administrations are getting one year of of the prior administration.

Quite honestly, this difference on how to calculate the years looks like cherry-picking on your part making the results superfluous. In fact, you're trying to extrapolate the next two years of Biden's numbers, which is hypothesis on your part. As the numbers stand today, by your own admission both Trump and Obama added more to the budget that Biden. So, that's that.

your source is trying to justify the spending

Biden is the leader - he's been doing this for 50 years, he's the head coach, he's going to take all the blame. That's the job as POTUS

Biden is horrible here with spending - fact