Democrats had bet on women showing up in force. They didn’t

[Tangmo]

Democrats bet on women showing up in force. They didn’t.

All the talk before the vote was of a huge gender gap, but it didn't happen. Why was that?

www.bbc.com

Ancient Greek sex strikes by women is cute yet while several categories of voters didn't show up this time the Harris campaign's strong belief women would save America from Putin-MAGAs-Trump is what went bust big time.

It fell totally and completely flat in fact. Suburban women stuck with Trump and, perhaps, and by implication, their spouse. The Harris talk about women in the privacy of the voting booth has turned out to be a lot of imagining that was predicated in wishful thinking.....


In an election full of uncertainties, one thing at least felt likely - women across the US were going to turn out for Kamala Harris. Just as months of relentless polling showed Harris in a virtual tie with Donald Trump, many of those same surveys told the story of a yawning gender gap. It was a strategy Harris’s team was betting on, hoping that an over-performance among women could make up for losses elsewhere. It didn’t happen.

Across the country, the majority of women did cast their ballots for Harris, but not by the historic margins she needed. Instead, if early exit polls bear out, Harris’s advantage among women overall - around 10 points - actually fell four points short of Joe Biden’s in 2020. Democrats suffered a 10 point drop among Latino women, while failing to move the needle among non-college educated women at all, who again went for Trump 63-35, preliminary data suggests. The shortfall was not for lack of trying. Throughout her 15-week campaign, much of Harris’s messaging was aimed directly at women, most obviously with her emphasis on abortion.


Despite this the MSM led now and again by women program hosts and reporters are banging heavily on the increased Hispanic vote Trump got. While Harris won the Hispanic vote her "share" of it was significantly less than Biden got. While these two groups seem to be the culprits to the loss, it seems to be the Hispanics who are taking the rap.

 

[forn]

Harris was a lousy candidate, and was stuck in the position of having to defend Biden's dismal record.

 

[Phys251]

Harris was a lousy candidate, and was stuck in the position of having to defend Biden's dismal record.

Both wrong. The problem was a lack of messaging, especially by Biden. He should have more forcefully defended his record against the right-wing propaganda.

 

[X Factor]

I fully support lefties blaming and berating voters rather than putting that energy into campaigns and candidates that actually connect with them.

 

[X Factor]

Both wrong. The problem was a lack of messaging, especially by Biden. He should have more forcefully defended his record against the right-wing propaganda.

I don’t know. Telling voters how great things are and how happy they should be about it might have felt a lot like gaslighting to those struggling.

 

[Fiddytree]

I fully support lefties blaming and berating voters rather than putting that energy into campaigns and candidates that actually connect with them.

In terms of electoral politics, they should learn from your suggestion.

In terms of analytical matters, I am unironically interested in some form of elitism—minus the neo-Marxist lingo.

 

[Phys251]

I don’t know. Telling voters how great things are and how happy they should be about it might have felt a lot like gaslighting to those struggling.

You have a point. Harris had a "rally round the flag" campaign that just fell flat. tRump talked about how horrible things were, and in today's climate, that shit lands.

I think whoever emerges from the 2028 Democratic primary is going to have a much darker tone.

 

[Fiddytree]

I don’t know. Telling voters how great things are and how happy they should be about it might have felt a lot like gaslighting to those struggling.

Comparatively, times are fairly good, especially out of the western world. Was it 2018? Nope, but looking at, say Germany’s 0.2% growth?

That the public doesn’t understand that is a problem. Outside of getting them to the polls, I’m not that interested in placating their perceptions.

Remember the doomsaying mid-to-late 2010s about sheer generational inequality and “it’s only downhill from here”? Conservative economists were fairly right to point out that things were…ok.

 

[eman623]

Despite this the MSM led now and again by women program hosts and reporters are banging heavily on the increased Hispanic vote Trump got. While Harris won the Hispanic vote her "share" of it was significantly less than Biden got. While these two groups seem to be the culprits to the loss, it seems to be the Hispanics who are taking the rap.

Culprits? Like people who are charged with or accused of a crime?

If you keep blaming people for not voting for you, rather than admitting you could not close the deal, then you will see a lot more "culprits" in the future.

 

[X Factor]

You have a point. Harris had a "rally round the flag" campaign that just fell flat. tRump talked about how horrible things were, and in today's climate, that shit lands.

I think whoever emerges from the 2028 Democratic primary is going to have a much darker tone.

Good grief, I could have told them that a “rally round the flag” campaign wouldn’t resonate with a lot of their base.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Both wrong. The problem was a lack of messaging, especially by Biden. He should have more forcefully defended his record against the right-wing propaganda.

Nah...Biden can barely get through a day without sharting himself.

 

[dmpi]

I fully support lefties blaming and berating voters rather than putting that energy into campaigns and candidates that actually connect with them.

Not only that.. they blame BOTH Democratic and Republican voters. And then they blame the liberal media as not being as effective as conservative media which of course they despise! The reality is sometime you lose because someone else is simply better!

 

[Fletch]

Both wrong. The problem was a lack of messaging, especially by Biden. He should have more forcefully defended his record against the right-wing propaganda.

Lol, no. People were well aware of his record. And hers. Thats why they lost.

 

[BabaVoss]

<<<=== “They’re eating the dogs!” - Donald Felonious Trump


Women have been set back yet again by the outcome of this election. It will be a long time before anyone finds a woman as Presidential candidate supportable. That is a shame, and to our detriment. It stands as a testament to our nation stupidity and misogyny. That we elected an immoral criminal as President says much worse. We have told the world our system of law does not apply to everyone.

We are now a failing nation. Trump was right to say that, just wrong about why. I hope we hit bottom soon. Now that the trumpers are holding all the power, I believe we will.

Then - maybe - we can rebuild. Depend on how much damage the orange clown causes.

 

[Fletch]

<<<=== “They’re eating the dogs!” - Donald Felonious Trump


Women have been set back yet again by the outcome of this election. It will be a long time before anyone finds a woman as Presidential candidate supportable. That is a shame, and to our detriment. It stands as a testament to our nation stupidity and misogyny. That we elected an immoral criminal as President says much worse. We have told the world our system of law does not apply to everyone.

We are now a failing nation. Trump was right to say that, just wrong about why. I hope we hit bottom soon. Now that the trumpers are holding all the power, I believe we will.

Then - maybe - we can rebuild. Depend on how much damage the orange clown causes.

There, there now. Let it all out

 

[EU MAGA]

Democrats bet on women showing up in force. They didn’t.

All the talk before the vote was of a huge gender gap, but it didn't happen. Why was that?

www.bbc.com

Ancient Greek sex strikes by women is cute yet while several categories of voters didn't show up this time the Harris campaign's strong belief women would save America from Putin-MAGAs-Trump is what went bust big time.

It fell totally and completely flat in fact. Suburban women stuck with Trump and, perhaps, and by implication, their spouse. The Harris talk about women in the privacy of the voting booth has turned out to be a lot of imagining that was predicated in wishful thinking.....


In an election full of uncertainties, one thing at least felt likely - women across the US were going to turn out for Kamala Harris. Just as months of relentless polling showed Harris in a virtual tie with Donald Trump, many of those same surveys told the story of a yawning gender gap. It was a strategy Harris’s team was betting on, hoping that an over-performance among women could make up for losses elsewhere. It didn’t happen.

Across the country, the majority of women did cast their ballots for Harris, but not by the historic margins she needed. Instead, if early exit polls bear out, Harris’s advantage among women overall - around 10 points - actually fell four points short of Joe Biden’s in 2020. Democrats suffered a 10 point drop among Latino women, while failing to move the needle among non-college educated women at all, who again went for Trump 63-35, preliminary data suggests. The shortfall was not for lack of trying. Throughout her 15-week campaign, much of Harris’s messaging was aimed directly at women, most obviously with her emphasis on abortion.


Despite this the MSM led now and again by women program hosts and reporters are banging heavily on the increased Hispanic vote Trump got. While Harris won the Hispanic vote her "share" of it was significantly less than Biden got. While these two groups seem to be the culprits to the loss, it seems to be the Hispanics who are taking the rap.

They showed up, just not so much for Democrats. Same with minorities. Trump took a bite out of the Black vote too.
. Isn't that wonderful, such diversity?

 

[Tangmo]

Culprits? Like people who are charged with or accused of a crime?

If you keep blaming people for not voting for you, rather than admitting you could not close the deal, then you will see a lot more "culprits" in the future.

Alas, your stern and scolding post stands there shaking and trembling while pointing the finger.

The years long fact is it doesn't matter what anyone says to the MAGAs across America, they are set in stone for their Putin-Trump fascist dictatorship. As I've said throughout, MAGAs are entirely, unrelentingly and tirelessly for The Triumph of The Will 2.0

I cuss the Democrats for playing by the old rules that presenting policies and appealing to the historic "good angels" of America is all they ever need to do. And I cuss the Putin-MAGA-Trump Republicans who have adored Putin since Obama was Potus/C'nC. Republicans vowed there would be no more Obamas of either gender. Trump Him Self means MAGA Republicans will have no more unacceptable voting outcomes.

I have said throughout the campaign the only way to stop Putin-MAGAs-Trump is to vote for Harris. People who didn't do this now are gone.

 

[eman623]

Alas, your stern and scolding post stands there shaking and trembling while pointing the finger.

The years long fact is it doesn't matter what anyone says to the MAGAs across America, they are set in stone for their Putin-Trump fascist dictatorship. As I've said throughout, MAGAs are entirely, unrelentingly and tirelessly for The Triumph of The Will 2.0

I cuss the Democrats for playing by the old rules that presenting policies and appealing to the historic "good angels" of America is all they ever need to do. And I cuss the Putin-MAGA-Trump Republicans who have adored Putin since Obama was Potus/C'nC. Republicans vowed there would be no more Obamas of either gender. Trump Him Self means MAGA Republicans will have no more unacceptable voting outcomes.

I have said throughout the campaign the only way to stop Putin-MAGAs-Trump is to vote for Harris. People who didn't do this now are gone.

I don't respond to insane paranoid drivel like this anymore.

Think what you want. Call people who don't vote for you culprits. Call then criminals for all I care. Call them Nazis and Fascists. You probably already do.

Trump is wrong about one thing. I'll never get tired of winning.

 

[Tangmo]

I don't respond to insane paranoid drivel like this anymore.

Think what you want. Call people who don't vote for you culprits. Call then criminals for all I care. Call them Nazis and Fascists. You probably already do.

Trump is wrong about one thing. I'll never get tired of winning.

OTT post.

 

[Schweddy]

Both wrong. The problem was a lack of messaging, especially by Biden. He should have more forcefully defended his record against the right-wing propaganda.

Disagree. There was plenty of messaging, it didn't resonate. It was clear - no change and no plan plus orange man bad.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Literally billions were spent on amplifying Haitian dog eaters, kindergarten litter boxes, trans surgeries in junior high and sex crazed child rapers that did not exist, but when you're up against a noise and chaos machine that well funded it is an "arms race" and Dems did not HAVE an army equipped to fight that way.
An America with half its population not even reading any books after leaving high school or attending college is going to pay attention to the chaos machine, not facts on the ground.

 

[BabaVoss]

There, there now. Let it all out

You so often can't think of anything to say, but then speak up anyway.

 

[Phys251]

Disagree. There was plenty of messaging, it didn't resonate. It was clear - no change and no plan plus orange man bad.

No. He had an underrated record but failed miserably to defend it. How many times did Biden go into the White House Press Room?

 

[Fletch]

You so often can't think of anything to say, but then speak up anyway.

Oh I think of things to say all the time. Its gonna be a rough 4 years for you. Im just trying to help. They dont call me Mr. Helpful for nothing.

 

[Tender Branson]

There were 2 theories:

# collective female backlash, because of abortion rights.

# collective angry-people backlash against the unpopular Biden/Harris government.

Obviously it was the second one, because everyday issues such as high inflation and grocery prices, high insurance prices etc. and the everyday illegal immigration invasion at the border were more in people's minds than abortion rights.

And because Biden/Harris were the unpopular incumbents and responsible for all of this, they got voted out (like all other incumbent government parties all over the world this year).