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[Conservative]

I live in Wisconsin and personally know several people who really regret being complacent and not voting in the last election.
It's not going to happen again.

Run another candidate like Hillary and it will indeed or do what you do ignore the actual results being generated

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[Conservative]

Trump is riding Obama's success. Trumps policies have not even been initiated yet.
This is Obama's economy, two hears from now we can talk about trumps economy.

No question about it that 1.5% GDP growth, 9.4% U6 rate, and 9.3 trillion added to the debt we're incredible economic numbers that springboard addenda 2017

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[Conservative]

You are aware that at least three trillion of that was just Obama adding the cost of Bush's Iraq war the had not been previously included in our debt right?

Apparently you aren't familiar with a budget process at all as the cost of the Iraq War was paid in each yearly budget for the expenses incurred that year. Keep buying what you are told and keep ignoring reality

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[Conservative]

Oh, right, I forgot. You think tax cuts don't impact revenue ever.

Nevermind.

Of course they impact Revenue as they increase economic activity and that boosts Revenue

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[Deuce]

Of course they impact Revenue as they increase economic activity and that boosts Revenue

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Is there any lower limit to tax rates, or would taxes all the way down to .1% continue to increase revenue due to increased economic activity?

Side-question: Are you under the impression that tax dollars are put into a giant pile and lit on fire?

 

[Conservative]

Is there any lower limit to tax rates, or would taxes all the way down to .1% continue to increase revenue due to increased economic activity?

Side-question: Are you under the impression that tax dollars are put into a giant pile and lit on fire?

Not a lower limit but a time limit on the benefits. The Bush tax cuts were fully implemented in 2003, 15 years ago, costs continue to rise and those tax cuts weren't as effective over time. I would have expected someone of your intelligence to understand that but more importantly to research what you are told before spouting DNC talking points.

 

[MSgt]

GREAT RECESSION? You bought the term and ignored that TARP Bailed us out, NOT OBAMA.

I "bought" the term? Sure, me and everyone else in the world because, as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) concluded, it was the worst global recession since the the Great Depression (1930s). You see, the Great Recession was related to the financial crisis of 2007–08 and the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis of 2007–09. Together, those two things resulted into the Great Recession. I can't believe even that is something you wish to be obtuse about.

1) (Bush) TARP stabilized the banking system, despite the banks being determined not to trust each other. This is where the bail out was. It was necessary.
2) (Obama) The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided for $800 billion in government spending (most of it) and tax cuts (less) to jumpstart the economy. It was about creating a safety net as a stimulus. It was necessary.

State of the Union: Did President Obama Really Dig Us Out of the Great Recession? | Money

So, I ignore nothing. A fact is a fact. Instead of clinging to partisan nonsense that encourages you to avoid select facts, you should try appreciating as much fact as possible. This would help you with the word "context" and assist you in escaping your need to be a partisan stooge. Read this...

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/

...or don't and keep pretending that Trump merely walked into the White House and waved a magic wand after eight years of Obama doing nothing. Besides, this, Presidents do not have the economic juice you seem to think they have.

Keep saying I have blind allegiance when the reality is that is you, look in the mirror. I hold people accountable for results and right now I am getting the results I voted for

Well, you just proved your blind allegiance again though. You can't help yourself. You need TARP to be all alone (without part two) so that you can continue your irrational hatefest on Obama and cling to the GOP. Left to you, the narrative of recovery would go from Bush (TARP) to Trump farting in the White House. And like I have already proven, you are not about results because you were clinging to Trump long before you could start claiming results...

1) You have proven quite eager to completely ignore the facts of eight years of recovery from the Great Recession, in which Trump walked into. Before clinging to Trump's 3rd and 4th quarter, you tried to remove Obama from Trump's 1st and 2nd quarter. Now you merely parade around the 3rd and 4th. Which means you are only all about Trump.

2) You just tried to give the credit to Trump for IS a post ago, despite three years of effort and Trump only just arriving during the mop up to observe efforts already in play. I proved this to you and you bounced. This too means that you are all about throwing a parade of Trump.

3) You and others have bounced from giving Trump the credit for North Korean and South Korean talks these days. Had you not avoided the historical "context" of North Korea playing their routine stalling game during the Winter Olympics (as I proved to enough of you), you would not have been so quick to falsely parade Trump around on your shoulders. Now, with North Korea proving its routine behavior, you have moved on and merely look for something else to be a favorable "result" to exploit.

4) And for a guy who runs by the name "Conservative," you don't seem to care about the meaning of that word either. It really doesn't matter what Trump does or says, you have and will continue to support him because he is GOP.

You can't deny any of this because you prove it constantly. Therefore, you do only care about a blind allegiance and search for "results," even of it means giving Trump credit for what is not his to take.

 

[Conservative]

1) (Bush) TARP stabilized the banking system, despite the banks being determined not to trust each other. This is where the bail out was. It was necessary.
2) (Obama) The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided for $800 billion in government spending (most of it) and tax cuts (less) to jumpstart the economy. It was about creating a safety net as a stimulus. It was necessary.

So, I ignore nothing. A fact is a fact. Instead of clinging to partisan nonsense that encourages you to avoid select facts, you should try appreciating as much fact as possible. This would help you with the word "context" and assist you in escaping your need to be a partisan stooge. Read this...

keep pretending that Trump merely walked into the White House and waved a magic wand after eight years of Obama doing nothing. Besides, this, Presidents do not have the economic juice you seem to think they have.



Well, you just proved your blind allegiance again though. You can't help yourself. You need TARP to be all alone (without part two) so that you can continue your irrational hatefest on Obama and cling to the GOP. Left to you, the narrative of recovery would go from Bush (TARP) to Trump farting in the White House. And like I have already proven, you are not about results because you were clinging to Trump long before you could start claiming results...

1) You have proven quite eager to completely ignore the facts of eight years of recovery from the Great Recession, in which Trump walked into. Before clinging to Trump's 3rd and 4th quarter, you tried to remove Obama from Trump's 1st and 2nd quarter. Now you merely parade around the 3rd and 4th. Which means you are only all about Trump.

2) You just tried to give the credit to Trump for IS a post ago, despite three years of effort and Trump only just arriving during the mop up to observe efforts already in play. I proved this to you and you bounced. This too means that you are all about throwing a parade of Trump.

3) You and others have bounced from giving Trump the credit for North Korean and South Korean talks these days. Had you not avoided the historical "context" of North Korea playing their routine stalling game during the Winter Olympics (as I proved to enough of you), you would not have been so quick to falsely parade Trump around on your shoulders. Now, with North Korea proving its routine behavior, you have moved on and merely look for something else to be a favorable "result" to exploit.

4) And for a guy who runs by the name "Conservative," you don't seem to care about the meaning of that word either. It really doesn't matter what Trump does or says, you have and will continue to support him because he is GOP.

You can't deny any of this because you prove it constantly. Therefore, you do only care about a blind allegiance and search for "results," even of it means giving Trump credit for what is not his to take.

So let's see if I have this right, WSJ disagrees with you but Money is right and Obama's stimulus passed in January 2009 and signed in February 2009 brought us out of recession immediately in June 2009 but it was the Bush 1.2 trillion dollar deficit for 2009? That is certainly liberal logic and far from reality. You want badly to believe Obama's rhetoric promoted by the media and ignore actual bls.gov, bea.gov. and Treasury.org data which is the OFFICIAL data for the govt. and for taxing and budget purposes.

This so called Great Recession affected you how? It didn't affect me or my family at all whereas the 81-82 recession affected ALL Americans because it was affected by high inflation and high unemployment worse than what occurred under Obama. Obama's lack of management and leadership skills were quite apparent as the actual data shows but you have no interest in actual data but rather opinions that you want to believe.

You want to give Obama credit for the results generated in 2017? Great so do I, thank you Obama for giving us Trump and a GOP Congress. The disconnect is yours as you simply don't get it, the Congressional elections destroyed the Obama record and legacy and anyone who believes that the 2009 stimulus was mostly tax cuts is totally ignorant of what a tax cut is, a rebate isn't a tax cut, cash for clunkers wasn't a tax cut, the payroll holiday cut funding for SS and Medicare and only those who pay SS and Medicare got a cut that they will pay for later. Interesting logic you seem to have but more importantly interesting ignorance of data, facts, logic, and common sense

What Ended the Great Recession?

 

[MSgt]

So let's see if I have this right, WSJ disagrees with you but Money is right and Obama's stimulus passed in January 2009 and signed in February 2009 brought us out of recession immediately in June 2009 but it was the Bush 1.2 trillion dollar deficit for 2009?

That's what you think is right?

First, you name dropping the WSJ is an obvious attempt to pretend that you have an argument. The WSJ, which I'm sure you are aware demands a subscription, is all over the place and far less black/white as you want the issue to be. Writers of the WSJ, like everybody else, agree with the Money article I gave you. Removed from the event, and given time to asses properly, just about all agree that moving the country away from the Great Recession was a two-part effort on Bush and Obama. But you seem to need the narrative to be about Bush's TARP -skip- to Trump's election. But you don't practice a blind allegiance to team?! Rubbish. I would give you more links, but you really appear not to give a **** beyond your chosen narrative. I will give you yet another one just for ****s and giggles...

“It’s premature,” said Stephen Moore, a visiting fellow at the Project for Economic Growth at The Heritage Foundation, of Trump’s tweets on jobs growth. “It takes a while for policies to translate into jobs. Stock markets react instantaneously to things. For jobs to come back–that takes longer.”

Job growth has increased steadily under Trump. Through the president’s first five full months in office, employers added 863,000 jobs and the unemployment rate decreased from 4.8 percent to 4.4 percent–an indication the economy is doing well. But the job growth under Trump is also similar to the last five months of Obama’s presidency, when 908,000 jobs were added, showing that the increase is likely just a continuation.

Second, your convoluted summary of what you think you got right is very transparent. Still playing the obtuse game. As I have stated enough times to you, Trump inherited an upward trend. It's up to him to continue it or reverse it, because this is 2018. Without a doubt, economists agree that Trump now owns that influence, not Obama.

This so called Great Recession affected you how? It didn't affect me or my family....

It affected the world. This is why it is called the Great Recession. It's not just about you and your little family. Perhaps you don't play an obtuse game.

You want to give Obama credit for the results generated in 2017? Great so do I, thank you Obama for giving us Trump and a GOP Congress.

Me and just about every economists in the country. this would be that partisan blind allegiance of yours you deny. Own it. Here's another link, you know, just for ****s and giggles...

...we really ought to credit the economic performance during the first year of any president's term to his predecessor — after all, it's mostly that other guy's budgets and policies directly influencing the economy. So for instance, George W. Bush's economy wasn't from 2001 through the end of 2008 — it was 2002 through the end of 2009. And so on.

This change would make a big difference. During George W. Bush's two terms, GDP growth averaged 2.1 percent as 1.4 million new jobs were added. Pretty unimpressive. But recalculated — Bush gets Obama's first year and loses his first year to Bill Clinton — and the 43rd president's record looks even worse: just 1.5 percent growth and a loss of 1.1 million jobs. This isn't the Trump economy. If anything, it's the Obama economy — or the AmazonAppleFacebookGoogle economy.

But hey, according to you, Obama's eight years of recovery was just a void of mystery and Trump flew in with a magic wand.

What Ended the Great Recession?

I believe I already gave you this link, hence my statement that you give Trump too much credit for molding the economy. And its a good thing he doesn't have direct control to shape it. I hear he is fond of bankruptcies. But, seriously, if you refuse to accept well known facts, what really is your purpose here? Is it to discuss the issues, or to shape a desired narrative despite the facts?

 

[Conservative]

That's what you think is right?

First, you name dropping the WSJ is an obvious attempt to pretend that you have an argument. The WSJ, which I'm sure you are aware demands a subscription, is all over the place and far less black/white as you want the issue to be. Writers of the WSJ, like everybody else, agree with the Money article I gave you. Removed from the event, and given time to asses properly, just about all agree that moving the country away fro the Great Recession was a two-part effort on Bush and Obama. I would give you more links, but you really appear not to give a **** beyond your chosen narrative. I will give you yet another one just for ****s and giggles...



Second, your convoluted summary of what you think you got right is very transparent. Still playing the obtuse game. As I have stated enough time to you, Trump inherited an upward trend. It's up to him to continue it or reverse it, because this is 2018. Without a doubt, economists agree that Trump now owns that influence, not Obama.




It affected the world. This is why it is called the Great Recession. It's not just about you and your little family. Perhaps you don't play an obtuse game.



Me and just about every economists in the country. this would be that partisan blind allegiance of yours you deny. Own it. Here's another link, you know, just for ****s and giggles...





I believe I already gave you this link, hence my statement that you give Trump too much credit for molding the economy. And its a good thing he doesn't have direct control to shape it. I hear he is fond of bankruptcies.

And your opinion noted as is mine where I thank Obama almost daily for giving us Trump. Not once have you posted actual fiscal data to support your claims from official govt. sites which is what is used to pay debt service. You offer the opinions of others and I could counter with opinions of others that counter yours but I prefer official data. Whether or not it takes time for shovel ready jobs to be created is certainly the opinion of a leftist that wants to buy rhetoric and ignore results, 2 years for a stimulus for payment of cash is bull**** and you ought to know that

As for the previous guy's budget?? Please show me the signed and approved Bush budget for fiscal year 2009, I await your response which I know won't happen. I also am sure civics isn't your strong suit for Obama had a Democratic Congress DAY 1 in taking office that passed his stimulus plan which he signed in Mid February 2009. if it takes time for the President's policies to take effect how did he bring us out of recession 3 months later?? Your logic and common sense are lacking as are the data to support your claims.

Keep posting and I will keep making you look bad with data NOT opinions like you offer

 

[MSgt]

And your opinion noted as is mine where I thank Obama almost daily for giving us Trump.

Partisan hack. Why you refuse to own that is beyond me. My "opinions" are the facts.

The sun is yellow. Hey look...another "opinion."

Keep posting and I will keep making you look bad with data NOT opinions like you offer

I believe you have this backwards. I have presented you with facts and a wide variety of complimentary links. And you have immersed yourself in partisan opinion, providing outdated early facts, largely from opinionated pieces.

You have made yourself look bad. And you have done so because you follow blind allegiance and declare shallow things. You can't hide from your posts.

 

[Conservative]

Partisan hack. Why you refuse to own that is beyond me.



I believe you have this backwards. I have presented you with facts and a wide variety of complimentary links. And you have immersed yourself in partisan opinion, providing outdated early facts, largely from opinionated pieces.

You have made yourself look bad. And you have done so because you follow blind allegiance and declare shallow things. You can't hide from your posts.

So your links trump official data? Don't think so but thanks for playing. Opinion pieces from the WSJ and Money Magazine aren't official data which I have posted and you ignored. My blind allegiance is to actual results, yours is to leftwing partisan BS making you no Independent but rather a leftwing liberal.

 

[MSgt]

So your links trump official data?

Um, no. Try to understand. Trump's official data for 2017 involves some of Obama's back end. Read the god-damned links, which include all of the official data. The economy does not have an on/off switch per new President.

Blind allegiance is exactly why you can't seem to understand this and how to use words like "context"; and why you would go as far as to try to give Trump the credit for IS' destruction.

 

[Conservative]

Um, no. Try to understand. Trump's official data for 2017 involves some of Obama's back end. Read the god-damned links. Blind allegiance is exactly why you can't seem to understand words like "context" and why you would go as far as to try to give Trump the credit for IS' destruction.

How you coming on finding that Signed and approved Bush budget for fiscal year 2009? I don't give a damn about the god-damned links just like you don't give a damn about the official data which is why you have zero credibility. You want to play the stupid as opinion link game? I don't I prefer official data in context which apparently you don't and believe links trump that data. Why don't you call BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and Treasury.org telling them that their data is wrong because your links say so.

Apparently arrogance is on full display because the electorate didn't see it your way voting for a GOP Congress. The disconnect is yours. As for ISIS, MOAB says you are wrong again

 

[MSgt]

I don't give a damn about the god-damned links just like you don't give a damn about the official data

The links contain the official data. You don't care about the links because you know they contain all of the official data (to include yours), not just your selected data that helps you to maintain your personal obtuse delusion. Perhaps if you gave a damn beyond your blind allegiance you wouldn't constantly make such obtuse declarations that actually defy all of the official data. My credibility and yours is for all to see. For example, you just asked for a signed 2009 Bush budget, as if you actually believe that the economy is an on and off switch and refreshes with an election. The budget in 2009 was a part of what Bush did. You see, you can't give all the credit for the recession ending in 2009 to Bush, if Bush's actions in 2008 had nothing to do with it. Do you see how blind allegiance and a pathetic need to feed your team spirit has you making obtuse and hypocritical declarations? <---That defines your credibility.

Oh, and how happy you must feel knowing that after the GOP's tax-cut Bill to greatly decrease government revenue, the GOP has turned around and increased spending (hiding it under a false military need). Hard to reconcile those in a complimentary "conservative" way, isn't it? But like the word context or credibility, we don't really know what the word conservative means anymore, do we?

Like this, and so many other issues in between that I have brought up to you in the past, it means eventual new taxes to compensate for your temporary cuts...long before they expire. These new taxes will not affect the wealthy who didn't even need cuts...and whose tax-cuts are not going to expire. Trump is working for his own, not you; and it has nothing to do with Making America Great Again. Irrational hate for Obama/Clinton/Liberals and blind allegiance to Trump/GOP is why you couldn't (and probably still refuse to) see this.

Obviously, since you live within an ideology that is as temporary as the country recently electing a Republican Congress last time, the disconnect is yours. It sways back and forth, dear fiscal, social "conservative."

 

[Removable Mind]

Geezus, he looks like he's about 15 years old.

And yes, you'd have to be a moron to not think the Republicans are in massive trouble in 2018, with or without this particular election. Politics is heating up in NH and a personal friend of ours is running for what will be a vacant Congressional seat here when the incumbent Dem retires. Our friend is running as one of 2 GOP candidates in the primary, and we already know that he will likely win the nomination, but the general election looks bad for the Republicans. People are sick of Trump and the nonsense the Republicans have been up to lately, as well as the incompetence of them not being able to repeal and replace the ACA after all those years of bloviating about it.

In Texas, our Governor is pretty much like another Trump, mixed with Michele Bachmann . Our Lt. Gov...another Pence, mixed with a wannabe Kim Jong Un . The Texas Legislation is a secret hard right Evangelical Organization. The Dems are locked up in a dark cellar under the Capitol building. Not much is gonna change politically in Texas until about half of the population learns how to spell, "Texas".

 

[tres borrachos]

In Texas, our Governor is pretty much like another Trump, mixed with Michele Bachmann . Our Lt. Gov...another Pence, mixed with a wannabe Kim Jong Un . The Texas Legislation is a secret hard right Evangelical Organization. The Dems are locked up in a dark cellar under the Capitol building. Not much is gonna change politically in Texas until about half of the population learns how to spell, "Texas".

Michele Bachmann. Oh my, yes, she's a loon. Mixing her with Trump would result in the anti-Christ. Michele isn't running for Senate because God didn't tell her to. Looks like God likes the Minnesotans these days.

It's amazing to me sometimes how red Texas is considering how the demographics of the residents has moved away from the all white cowboy types.

 

[Removable Mind]

Michele Bachmann. Oh my, yes, she's a loon. Mixing her with Trump would result in the anti-Christ. Michele isn't running for Senate because God didn't tell her to. Looks like God likes the Minnesotans these days.

It's amazing to me sometimes how red Texas is considering how the demographics of the residents has moved away from the all white cowboy types.

I live in the Texas Hill Country and there are plenty of white cowboys where the buffalo roam and the deer and the antelope play.

 

[tres borrachos]

I live in the Texas Hill Country and there are plenty of white cowboys where the buffalo roam and the deer and the antelope play.

Where seldom is heard a discouraging word?

 

[Removable Mind]

Where seldom is heard a discouraging word?

Well, since the invent of fake words - I'm afraid that discouraging words have become a way of life for these cowboys. :lol:

 

[shrubnose]

]Looks like the Democrats are doing a lot worse, thank you Trump!!

Democratic National Committee fundraising hits wall as GOP sits flush ahead of midterm elections[/B] | Fox News

["Better days are coming.[/I]" ~But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.


Just sayin'.

 

[Conservative]

The links contain the official data. You don't care about the links because you know they contain all of the official data (to include yours), not just your selected data that helps you to maintain your personal obtuse delusion. Perhaps if you gave a damn beyond your blind allegiance you wouldn't constantly make such obtuse declarations that actually defy all of the official data. My credibility and yours is for all to see. For example, you just asked for a signed 2009 Bush budget, as if you actually believe that the economy is an on and off switch and refreshes with an election. The budget in 2009 was a part of what Bush did. You see, you can't give all the credit for the recession ending in 2009 to Bush, if Bush's actions in 2008 had nothing to do with it. Do you see how blind allegiance and a pathetic need to feed your team spirit has you making obtuse and hypocritical declarations? <---That defines your credibility.

Oh, and how happy you must feel knowing that after the GOP's tax-cut Bill to greatly decrease government revenue, the GOP has turned around and increased spending (hiding it under a false military need). Hard to reconcile those in a complimentary "conservative" way, isn't it? But like the word context or credibility, we don't really know what the word conservative means anymore, do we?

Like this, and so many other issues in between that I have brought up to you in the past, it means eventual new taxes to compensate for your temporary cuts...long before they expire. These new taxes will not affect the wealthy who didn't even need cuts...and whose tax-cuts are not going to expire. Trump is working for his own, not you; and it has nothing to do with Making America Great Again. Irrational hate for Obama/Clinton/Liberals and blind allegiance to Trump/GOP is why you couldn't (and probably still refuse to) see this.

Obviously, since you live within an ideology that is as temporary as the country recently electing a Republican Congress last time, the disconnect is yours. It sways back and forth, dear fiscal, social "conservative."

No they don't for if they did you would post the data and use the link for the source.

I asked for the signed and approved Bush Budget because that is what your article stated that the economy was Bush's until the end of 2009, that is a lie as the economy was Obama's and the Democratic Congress in 2009, 10-11-12 with trillion dollar deficits, poor economic growth, high unemployment, and high debt

Unlike you I will celebrate success, amazingly since the is the Obama economy for 2017 trump did nothing to screw it up as all the hate rhetoric would suggest As stated you claim to have run a business, lemonade stand? Businesses get it, forward planning is a process and their forward planning began after the Trump pro growth, pro American rhetoric and EO's because known. No more punishment, no more class warfare for success and forward planners took note.

you can stop with the books full of fiction and realize that the US Economy is in better hands now than with Obama and reacting accordingly. I will continue to celebrate successes and you will continue to promote gloom and doom with predictions.

 

[Conservative]

In Texas, our Governor is pretty much like another Trump, mixed with Michele Bachmann . Our Lt. Gov...another Pence, mixed with a wannabe Kim Jong Un . The Texas Legislation is a secret hard right Evangelical Organization. The Dems are locked up in a dark cellar under the Capitol building. Not much is gonna change politically in Texas until about half of the population learns how to spell, "Texas".

And the results are there for all to see except for the blind liberals in the Austin Area. TX remains an economic model for the nation with a part time legislature and personal responsibility a key component. Tell us exactly what part of the TX economy bothers you the most, the strong growth, strong job creation, low cost of living, part time legislature, required balanced budget, term limits?

 

[Conservative]

["Better days are coming.[/I]" ~But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.


Just sayin'.

keep sayin it and keep believing the rhetoric ignoring the economics and foreign policy results

 

[GDViking]

Apparently you aren't familiar with a budget process at all as the cost of the Iraq War was paid in each yearly budget for the expenses incurred that year. Keep buying what you are told and keep ignoring reality

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Nope that was not how it was done. All off expenditures were done through a process where the Iraq war was funded outside of the budget. Obama put both wars on the budget, which was one of his campaign promises.