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Democrats flip deep-red Missouri state House seat, signal problems for GOP

No, the "propaganda" part is you slithering around the forum spamming numbers and saying "Go Trump" when they are not necessarily the product of anything he's done. You do it, everybody knows you do it. When people challenge you (and they have multiple times) all you do is keep spamming the numbers and accuse them of hating prosperity and America.

You shtick has gotten stale and moldy. I half expect you to start bleating that Donald Trump cured polio, any day now.
Never ran a business have you? How do you know they aren't his numbers, because you say So? Nothing he does will ever satisfy you but back to the post. The numbers are what they are and aren't misinterpreted

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You're saying what many lifelong Republicans here in NH are also saying.

My husband and I have stopped donations to Republican candidates - even a personal friend running for Congress - until they distance themselves from Trump.
I came to the conclusion that I won't knowingly vote for another Republican candidate that at any time in their lives supported the candidacy of Donald J Trump. To me, that's a life sentence.

Here that turns me into a nearly straight Democratic ticket vote, something I would have never, ever would have done and I don't feel entirely comfortable doing.

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I came to the conclusion that I won't knowingly vote for another Republican candidate that at any time in their lives supported the candidacy of Donald J Trump. To me, that's a life sentence.

Here that turns me into a nearly straight Democratic ticket vote, something I would have never, ever would have done and I don't feel entirely comfortable doing.

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I don't think I have ever voted all for one party ever on a ballot. But that's going to be me for the near and forseeable future.
 
I came to the conclusion that I won't knowingly vote for another Republican candidate that at any time in their lives supported the candidacy of Donald J Trump. To me, that's a life sentence.

Here that turns me into a nearly straight Democratic ticket vote, something I would have never, ever would have done and I don't feel entirely comfortable doing.

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See now here is the problem. I cant tell you how many people I knew that said the exact same thing in 2008. They said how Bush was the worst president ever and they refused to ever vote for a republican again. But for whatever reason, voters went nuts and the election of 2008 created a bigger more nutty party that roared back and gave us Trump. Kind of like some revenge or something. Its entirely possible the same thing happens with democrats. Somebody, (anybody but a GOP) and who knows what we end up with? Hell it wouldnt surprise me if the GOP loses big time in midterms to see Trump re-declare himself a democrat just to spite them and say the GOP is weak or something to that effect. Its just who he is. I just wish people would stop being tribal and vote for the best person regardless of party.
 
See now here is the problem. I cant tell you how many people I knew that said the exact same thing in 2008. They said how Bush was the worst president ever and they refused to ever vote for a republican again. But for whatever reason, voters went nuts and the election of 2008 created a bigger more nutty party that roared back and gave us Trump. Kind of like some revenge or something. Its entirely possible the same thing happens with democrats. Somebody, (anybody but a GOP) and who knows what we end up with? Hell it wouldnt surprise me if the GOP loses big time in midterms to see Trump re-declare himself a democrat just to spite them and say the GOP is weak or something to that effect. Its just who he is. I just wish people would stop being tribal and vote for the best person regardless of party.

Right now the party doesn't matter to me beyond getting people into office to oppose Trump. When Trump and his supporters are out and the GOP comes out and officially separates themselves from everyone who is in support of Trump and casts them out of the GOP then we can get back to voting regardless of party. But as long as the GOP are mindless minions of Trump not a single one of them will see my vote again and I will continue to try to influence as many people as possible to do the same.
 
I came to the conclusion that I won't knowingly vote for another Republican candidate that at any time in their lives supported the candidacy of Donald J Trump. To me, that's a life sentence.

Here that turns me into a nearly straight Democratic ticket vote, something I would have never, ever would have done and I don't feel entirely comfortable doing.

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I don't limit myself like that, it's kind of childish. Often, it seems I have the choice of voting for the lesser of two evils, as in the last Presidential election. But I certainly avoid voting for those that mean to diminish my liberties, attack/ignore the Constitution, and jeopardize our national security. And hey, if you're a closet Socialist, then forget about it. Pretty much wipes out all Democrats.
 
Right now the party doesn't matter to me beyond getting people into office to oppose Trump. When Trump and his supporters are out and the GOP comes out and officially separates themselves from everyone who is in support of Trump and casts them out of the GOP then we can get back to voting regardless of party. But as long as the GOP are mindless minions of Trump not a single one of them will see my vote again and I will continue to try to influence as many people as possible to do the same.

It just seems there is no logical thought going on here, with that hold-your-breath type of attitude. So, you are just against Trump? What about the resurgent economy, are you against that? More jobs, are you against that? Stronger military, national security, are you against that too? Less government meddling in our lives. See, this all comes with Trump, you didn't get it with Obama.

But, the left has always been about "feelings", not reality. Unfortunately, that kind of thinking leads to a more powerful government, and less freedoms and liberties for us little people. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Never more true than with Socialism.
 
And again, you can't ignore the fact that more people dislike him than like him. He didn't get the most votes. Everyone assumed he would lose so lots of people like myself voted 3rd party or stayed home thinking he couldn't win. It's not happening now. That is why so many red seats are turning blue. The liberal base is highly motivated and the anti trumps are too. The GOP can enjoy its success but when you look at the long term the GOP is losing people, it will lose seats. This Trump support is going to cause a leftist shift that will have a huge impact. Just think about what dems are going to do once they are back in the super majority. Now that Trump and Obama have set the precedent that if the minority party doesn't play but use the nuke. I am positive they are going to blow the roof off. Be sure to thank Trump for the new America that is coming. Hope you enjoy it.

Yep.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the next Democrat president ends up being very far left. It will be the inevitable backlash to the Trump presidency that will cause it. Trump and his voters will have nobody else to blame but themselves when the next Democrat president and congress do whatever they can to wipe out the Trump presidency from existence, while implementing far left policies. This is the type of politics they want, and will get.
 
Democrats flip deep-red Missouri state House seat, signal problems for GOP | Fox News


I don't usually want to see so many seats go to democrats, but we need as many people who will fight against Trump as possible.

All well and good, but the DNC has a serious cash flow problem. This isn't as prominent in the one-off races, and I haven't looked to see what else might explain the flip, but the entire DNC has $400k to it's name, and are effectively broke. How are they going to pay for a coordinated national campaign to flip the house?

I mean, Trump showed it is possible to win while being outspend 2-to-1, but they don't have economic crisis to run one against Trump.

As such, I still think it looks bad for the DNC, they have a 6 point lead in the generic ballot, but even that is falling
 
It just seems there is no logical thought going on here, with that hold-your-breath type of attitude. So, you are just against Trump? What about the resurgent economy, are you against that? More jobs, are you against that? Stronger military, national security, are you against that too? Less government meddling in our lives. See, this all comes with Trump, you didn't get it with Obama.

But, the left has always been about "feelings", not reality. Unfortunately, that kind of thinking leads to a more powerful government, and less freedoms and liberties for us little people. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Never more true than with Socialism.

We've already covered that. I do not think Trump is responsible for any of that considering it has grown every for the last 9 years and the only thing that happened was the trend continued. Like I told the other guy, you can claim it all you want but point to 1 good thing that is happening under Trump that wasn't already happening. You don't have to like it. The white power movement you people are loving is coming to a quick end. America is motivated. You already know the how many people were against Trump before, the fat **** couldn't even win the popular vote, and since he's been in office there are more and more like me every day. Historically red seats are turning and will continue. I don't care if socialists or worse get into office as long as this agenda is stopped and his supporters are thrown out.
 
All well and good, but the DNC has a serious cash flow problem. This isn't as prominent in the one-off races, and I haven't looked to see what else might explain the flip, but the entire DNC has $400k to it's name, and are effectively broke. How are they going to pay for a coordinated national campaign to flip the house?

I mean, Trump showed it is possible to win while being outspend 2-to-1, but they don't have economic crisis to run one against Trump.

As such, I still think it looks bad for the DNC, they have a 6 point lead in the generic ballot, but even that is falling

Trump mouth and actions will do more than any DNC spending will. I don't care much about how much they spend.
 
Trump mouth and actions will do more than any DNC spending will. I don't care much about how much they spend.

It won't just be Trump on the RNC commercials, it will be images of sour Democrat faces while Trump announces record employment, it will be Democrats shutting the government to defend illegal aliens, it will be average Americans seeing extra money in their pay checks, cheap gasoline, and more job opportunities... there is a lot of good news that the DNC has to overcome in 2018, and they will need money to do it.

Hell, recent polls are showing the public starting to turn on the Russia investigation.

2018 is shaping up to be the biggest political miscalculation since someone said "Don't worry about getting caught, Hillary will be President anyway."
 
We've already covered that. I do not think Trump is responsible for any of that considering it has grown every for the last 9 years and the only thing that happened was the trend continued. Like I told the other guy, you can claim it all you want but point to 1 good thing that is happening under Trump that wasn't already happening. You don't have to like it. The white power movement you people are loving is coming to a quick end. America is motivated. You already know the how many people were against Trump before, the fat **** couldn't even win the popular vote, and since he's been in office there are more and more like me every day. Historically red seats are turning and will continue. I don't care if socialists or worse get into office as long as this agenda is stopped and his supporters are thrown out.

You pretty much just proved my point with the "I don't care if socialists or worse get into office..."

Thanks for screwing the country, everything we've fought for, because you don't like his voice/hair/tweets/whatever.

I don't think of an economic malaise, weak foreign policy, tyrannical government mandates, and a spineless President as "good things". The Obama trend was downhill, at best. Then throw in all the corruption being uncovered at the Obama DOJ... You really should not be voting if you are just going on emotion. It enables these despicable people, and hurts everyone.
 
See now here is the problem. I cant tell you how many people I knew that said the exact same thing in 2008. They said how Bush was the worst president ever and they refused to ever vote for a republican again. But for whatever reason, voters went nuts and the election of 2008 created a bigger more nutty party that roared back and gave us Trump. Kind of like some revenge or something. Its entirely possible the same thing happens with democrats. Somebody, (anybody but a GOP) and who knows what we end up with? Hell it wouldnt surprise me if the GOP loses big time in midterms to see Trump re-declare himself a democrat just to spite them and say the GOP is weak or something to that effect. Its just who he is. I just wish people would stop being tribal and vote for the best person regardless of party.
Don't misunderstand me. I will continue to work with state legislators who are Republicans (really, that's the first thing we do) and as well as the Congressional delegation to craft needed legislation. However, I won't be voting for you if you were publicly on the side of Trump during the general election, and especially not during the primary.

There were over a dozen well-qualified candidates. There was no sound judgment to give that man a plurality victory, no sound reason to not reject him at the convention, and no sound reason to vote for him in the general for President of the United States--the single most influential man in the world. I remain convinced that Lindsey Graham had it right from the start, before turning to the dark side. Instead of rejecting him, we sent the single most unqualified President in the history of our republic to the White House.

If you didnt have the intelligence and character to see it then when it mattered most, why on earth should I prefer you over someone else with more sense?

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You pretty much just proved my point with the "I don't care if socialists or worse get into office..."

Thanks for screwing the country, everything we've fought for, because you don't like his voice/hair/tweets/whatever.

I don't think of an economic malaise, weak foreign policy, tyrannical government mandates, and a spineless President as "good things". The Obama trend was downhill, at best. Then throw in all the corruption being uncovered at the Obama DOJ... You really should not be voting if you are just going on emotion. It enables these despicable people, and hurts everyone.

Translation: Please vote the way I vote! Because if you don't agree with me, you are Anti American!
 
You pretty much just proved my point with the "I don't care if socialists or worse get into office..."

Thanks for screwing the country, everything we've fought for, because you don't like his voice/hair/tweets/whatever.

I don't think of an economic malaise, weak foreign policy, tyrannical government mandates, and a spineless President as "good things". The Obama trend was downhill, at best. Then throw in all the corruption being uncovered at the Obama DOJ... You really should not be voting if you are just going on emotion. It enables these despicable people, and hurts everyone.

Those are all just your opinions. Obama as well as congress, turned around a horrible recession handed to him and a booming economy was born from that. The fact is you just like spending as long as it is a Republican doing it. We have already proven what hypocrites Republicans are. Your boy is going down in 2020 and your boys in congress are going down in 2018. DEAL WITH IT!!!

and since the Republicans like to play games with SCOTUS nominees I hope the Dems hold up ANY future SCOTUS nominees until there is a Dem president since that is what Republicans did. Add into that I hope the Dems in charge go full nuclear option and make the Republicans irrelevant.
 
Geezus, he looks like he's about 15 years old.

And yes, you'd have to be a moron to not think the Republicans are in massive trouble in 2018, with or without this particular election. Politics is heating up in NH and a personal friend of ours is running for what will be a vacant Congressional seat here when the incumbent Dem retires. Our friend is running as one of 2 GOP candidates in the primary, and we already know that he will likely win the nomination, but the general election looks bad for the Republicans. People are sick of Trump and the nonsense the Republicans have been up to lately, as well as the incompetence of them not being able to repeal and replace the ACA after all those years of bloviating about it.

They never were going to repeal the ACA fully. The immediate and rapid spike in uninsured would make the blue tsunami into... what's bigger than a tsunami? Blue asteroid?

There's nothing to replace it with, on the conservative end. All the talks of "free market solutions" are nonsense. Selling across state lines? Several states already allowed that. Number of insurance companies that took them up on the offer? Zero. Malpractice reform? Speed bump in the rise in premiums. The system we have now is fundamentally broken. The reason the ACA only barely slowed the rise in premiums isn't because its eeebil socialiiiismmm but rather because the ACA's primary function is to just cram more people into the same broken system.

Lots of people say they're sick of Trump and the corrupt GOP shoveling mountains of cash into their wealthy donors' pockets, but then vote straight ticket R when the actual election rolls around. Maybe some will just stay home instead. This doesn't solve the problem. Vote in the primaries, get reasonable people in the race. And if you can't do that... vote Democrat.
 
Those are all just your opinions. Obama as well as congress, turned around a horrible recession handed to him and a booming economy was born from that.
LOL! Now, that's a good one. You leftists sure are well trained in lying to yourselves. Or you just accept an economy that never achieved 3% growth for any year that Obama was in office, first President ever to be that bad, as "booming", haha. Funny.

The fact is you just like spending as long as it is a Republican doing it. We have already proven what hypocrites Republicans are. Your boy is going down in 2020 and your boys in congress are going down in 2018. DEAL WITH IT!!!
We are going down?... hmmm... I've heard that somewhere before. Oh, wait, that's right, only before every single election. LOL, you guys never learn, do you? Do you like putting your foot in your mouths? You've done it over and over!

and since the Republicans like to play games with SCOTUS nominees I hope the Dems hold up ANY future SCOTUS nominees until there is a Dem president since that is what Republicans did. Add into that I hope the Dems in charge go full nuclear option and make the Republicans irrelevant.
You already did that. That's why you won't be able to hold up any nominations. Jeez.
 
They never were going to repeal the ACA fully. The immediate and rapid spike in uninsured would make the blue tsunami into... what's bigger than a tsunami? Blue asteroid?

There's nothing to replace it with, on the conservative end. All the talks of "free market solutions" are nonsense. Selling across state lines? Several states already allowed that. Number of insurance companies that took them up on the offer? Zero. Malpractice reform? Speed bump in the rise in premiums. The system we have now is fundamentally broken. The reason the ACA only barely slowed the rise in premiums isn't because its eeebil socialiiiismmm but rather because the ACA's primary function is to just cram more people into the same broken system.

Lots of people say they're sick of Trump and the corrupt GOP shoveling mountains of cash into their wealthy donors' pockets, but then vote straight ticket R when the actual election rolls around. Maybe some will just stay home instead. This doesn't solve the problem. Vote in the primaries, get reasonable people in the race. And if you can't do that... vote Democrat.
The ACA repeal and replace bill was largely not even about the ACA, so much as base Medicaid. That's where the majority of "cost savings" (quite the opposite really, but for the purposes of reconciliation) came from.

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I came to the conclusion that I won't knowingly vote for another Republican candidate that at any time in their lives supported the candidacy of Donald J Trump. To me, that's a life sentence.

Here that turns me into a nearly straight Democratic ticket vote, something I would have never, ever would have done and I don't feel entirely comfortable doing.

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Me too Fiddy. If someone supports Trump, I can't support that person. It's a sad day for me to say that.
 
Exactly, a lot of things look promising, record employment, record labor force, historically low part time for economic reasons, fewer discouraged workers, higher wages, tax cuts, ISIS almost destroyed, but keep hanging your hat on the return to socialism and social engineering.

I know you like to pretend that the day before Trump appeared on the White House steps that all was a dismal mess, but it wasn't. What you see as promising follows a promising trend of recovery. I have proven this to you enough times, so at this point it is very obvious that you simply cling to an obtuse game simply to glorify your beloved. And for what? Like his hair?
But let's do it again....

1) The national unemployment rate has fallen 60% since 2009 to 4.1% - a level not seen since 2000. In December 2016 the US economy added 156,000 jobs, which made that month the 75th consecutive month of job growth. Economists say slow and steady growth since the end of the recession is responsible for the job gains, much of which pre-date the Trump administration.

2) In August 2014, when the U.S. began supplying the Kurds and organizing a coalition in Iraq against IS, Obama declared that the IS problem would not be solved in just weeks and that it "could be long term." This is because IS was not just located in Iraq/Syria. IS was targeted in at least Libya, Afghanistan, Cameroon, Somalia, and Yemen. By September of 2014, IS began losing ground in Iraq; and major city footholds began to fall, starting with the Mosul Dam territory. The years-long close-air campaign consisted of U.S., British, Dutch, French, Jordanian, and Moroccan airstrikes. And before Trump took office, IS was reeling and it's occupation in Iraq/Syria had been reduced to a ghostly representation of its former self.

You people have gone from parading around Obama because "he" got Bin Laden to parading around Trump because "he" destroyed IS. And yes, you all sound alike when you play your absurdly obtuse political games.
 
Me too Fiddy. If someone supports Trump, I can't support that person. It's a sad day for me to say that.

It really is sad to see someone rooting AGAINST America and Americans!! You simply are so full of hatred over rhetoric that you cannot celebrate success for other Americans benefiting from the current economic results.
 
I know you like to pretend that the day before Trump appeared on the White House steps that all was a dismal mess, but it wasn't. What you see as promising follows a promising trend of recovery. I have proven this to you enough times, so at this point it is very obvious that you simply cling to an obtuse game simply to glorify your beloved. And for what? Like his hair?
But let's do it again....

1) The national unemployment rate has fallen 60% since 2009 to 4.1% - a level not seen since 2000. In December 2016 the US economy added 156,000 jobs, which made that month the 75th consecutive month of job growth. Economists say slow and steady growth since the end of the recession is responsible for the job gains, much of which pre-date the Trump administration.

2) In August 2014, when the U.S. began supplying the Kurds and organizing a coalition in Iraq against IS, Obama declared that the IS problem would not be solved in just weeks and that it "could be long term." This is because IS was not just located in Iraq/Syria. IS was targeted in at least Libya, Afghanistan, Cameroon, Somalia, and Yemen. By September of 2014, IS began losing ground in Iraq; and major city footholds began to fall, starting with the Mosul Dam territory. The years-long close-air campaign consisted of U.S., British, Dutch, French, Jordanian, and Moroccan airstrikes. And before Trump took office, IS was reeling and it's occupation in Iraq/Syria had been reduced to a ghostly representation of its former self.

You people have gone from parading around Obama because "he" got Bin Laden to parading around Trump because "he" destroyed IS. And yes, you all sound alike when you play your absurdly obtuse political games.

You are so right, the 1.5% GDP growth 4th qtr 2016 and 1.2% GDP growth first qtr 2017 along with the 9.4% U6 that Trump inherited were booming successes. Amazing how context never matters to you nor do actual results. You see, regardless of whether or not you like Trump the record today IS TRUMP'S. It really is a shame you cannot celebrate success as I do as I continue to be very thankful that Obama gave us Trump
 
It really is sad to see someone rooting AGAINST America and Americans!! You simply are so full of hatred over rhetoric that you cannot celebrate success for other Americans benefiting from the current economic results.

This coming from a guy who is in here crapping on every American that dares to disagree with him.
 
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