Democrats and liberals - are you sick of the SJW Left?

[MrWonka]

No, I found a place with a diversity of opinion.

You found a place with a few more people who agreed with you so you didn't feel so foolish all the time.

Especially when the party line isn't always right. But the critical analysis wasn't their forté.

Oh, I see. So thousands of people all over the country whose entire job it is to critically analyze thoughts and ideas are terrible at it, but you arrogantly assume everything you believe is correct.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I have not voted in this poll because I don’t know the definition of a SJW and I don’t know what kind of things SJW’s Campaign for.

Look up Melissa Click

As for the things many SJW's campaign for, there's plenty of normal liberal values that they favor.
But again, it all boils down to whether or not you can control your inner fascist.
If you can't, then you've given the opposition all the ammunition they need.

You know the old saying: "The person who loses their temper first, loses the argument."
Karl Popper did not need to lose his temper, and he's certainly a sterling example of how to not tolerate intolerance.
Perhaps many of these screeching fools need a little less Melissa Click and a lot more Karl Popper.
Perhaps that comes with maturity.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I didn't even make one single solitary generalization in the entire text you quoted.


You have to tell me what you're confused about before I can clarify.


I did have a response beyond that. You just quoted it.


MLK didn't just die. He was murdered in broad daylight.


So they'll murder you if you're nice to them, and they'll murder you if you're not.


No, I just recognize that your history is the rest of our future under Trump, and if some Nazis need to get punched in order to stop that then boohoo.


Debates end. There is a winner and a loser. There's no point in having an argument in the first place if someone isn't right, someone isn't wrong, and we can learn something from it over time. This debate should have been over a long ****ing time ago. We are under no obligation to keep pretending racist pieces of **** are going to wow us with their next "idea." If you have a problem with Justice, then it's your problem, not mine. I'm not waiting around for you to wake the **** up and realize you're wrong while good innocent people are trapped in a nightmare of your ignorance.

You just proved that you didn't really read anything except my last post to you.
That means you're arguing from straw men that you needed to build because you don't actually know my positions, therefore the loser in this debate would be you.

You mentioned punching Nazis. If you'd read anything I said prior to you coming in here all self-righteous, you'd know my position on that.
You're the textbook example of what the poll was about. You censored an opinion you know nothing about and put your own imaginary position where mine should be.

 

[MrWonka]

You just proved that you didn't really read anything except my last post to you.

I have read everything that is relevant to this discussion. If you would like to clarify what you seem to think I'm missing you're welcome to. Your bad points are not my problem.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

MLK didn't just die. He was murdered in broad daylight.

I specifically said: By the way, X was also assassinated. He wasn't "peaceful".

So you're not even reading ANYTHING, you're just glancing at two or three key words, then you wind yourself up like a child's toy and off you go, screaming, censoring and acting self-righteous.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I have read everything that is relevant to this discussion. If you would like to clarify what you seem to think I'm missing you're welcome to. Your bad points are not my problem.

No, you haven't.
And your self-righteousness has now backed you into a corner where, you will refuse to read them.
I know your kind, it's why I posted the poll.
You're performing AS ADVERTISED.

 

[MrWonka]

But again, it all boils down to whether or not you can control your inner fascist.

You don't seem to know what fascism is. The key component of fascism is nationalism and tribalism. It is the belief that you can bully someone based upon the circumstances of their birth. Good and Evil are not tribes dictated by birth, they are choices you can make, and when you are on the side of good you're under no obligation to tolerate evil.

You know the old saying: "The person who loses their temper first, loses the argument."

That is a fallacy. If you believe that statement is wise then you are wrong. The anger behind an argument has no bearing on the truth of it. You have blatantly stated that you favor emotional persuasion over logic. That is why I can state with certainty that you are irrational.

Karl Popper did not need to lose his temper, and he's certainly a sterling example of how to not tolerate intolerance.

You don't tolerate intolerance. Intolerance is like any other weapon. If someone was shooting an innocent person with a gun, then you are well within your rights to pull out your own gun and shoot them. You're like a bouncer that walked into a bar fight that was already underway. You don't know who started it, you just want to break it up. But someone did instigate this fight. Someone does deserve to get their ass beat, and by not taking the time to understand who the bad guy is you're at risk of defending evil.

 

[MrWonka]

I specifically said: By the way, X was also assassinated. He wasn't "peaceful".
So you're not even reading ANYTHING

Yes, I read it. It was nonsensical and didn't make whatever point you seem to think it made. MLK was peaceful. They killed him. X wasn't. They killed him too. At least X took some **** heads down with him.

 

[MrWonka]

No, you haven't

, you will refuse to read them.

I'm not digging through 81 posts filled with your drivel to find the one pearl of wisdom you think I missed. I saw everything that was relevant. You just overestimate the relevance of your points. If you want something specifically address then you can repeat it, and I will address it. Until then you can quit kidding yourself that I'm the one who doesn't understand you.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You don't tolerate intolerance.

Look up Melissa Click

As for the things many SJW's campaign for, there's plenty of normal liberal values that they favor.
But again, it all boils down to whether or not you can control your inner fascist.
If you can't, then you've given the opposition all the ammunition they need.

You know the old saying: "The person who loses their temper first, loses the argument."
Karl Popper did not need to lose his temper, and he's certainly a sterling example of how to not tolerate intolerance.
Perhaps many of these screeching fools need a little less Melissa Click and a lot more Karl Popper.
Perhaps that comes with maturity.

You don't tolerate intolerance.

I didn't say TOLERATE it.
You're so pissed off now that you're losing control of the basics, like READING.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I'm not digging through 81 posts filled with your drivel

Again, performing AS ADVERTISED.

 

[MrWonka]

I didn't say TOLERATE it.
You're so pissed off now that you're losing control of the basics, like READING.

You said Karl Popper made a mistake, and he did not tolerate intolerance. If not tolerating intolerance is a mistake, then tolerating it is what you should do. You're the one who doesn't seem to understand what your own writing says.

 

[MrWonka]

Again, performing AS ADVERTISED.

https://logfall.wordpress.com/proof-by-verbosity/

It's your job to make your argument to me. Not my job to figure out what yours is. Make your point or quit bitching.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You said Karl Popper made a mistake, and he did not tolerate intolerance. If not tolerating intolerance is a mistake, then tolerating it is what you should do. You're the one who doesn't seem to understand what your own writing says.

Are you absolutely sure that's what I said? Because I think you might have made a grave error in comprehension.
Do yourself a favor, take some time off from DP, go look up the guy, read what he has to say.
I am not here to teach a remedial course in Karl Popper's Paradox of Tolerance.

I never said he made a mistake, I said he's a sterling example of how to NOT tolerate intolerance.
In other words, you should try using him as a role model.
You're making an excellent example of why you campus kiddies need to grow up, learn to debate using superior logic, and above all, learn to LISTEN before shooting off your big mouths.

On many of the values you support, I am on the same side. But you're doing it wrong. That's it, plain and simple.
You're helping the Right depict liberals as...well...people like YOU.

And that's a problem.

 

[MrWonka]

Are you absolutely sure that's what I said? Because I think you might have made a grave error in comprehension.

Yes, that is exactly what you said. It's not what you meant, but it is what you said. Either write clearer or deal with having to repeat yourself.

 

[Nap]

I didn't even make one single solitary generalization in the entire text you quoted.


You have to tell me what you're confused about before I can clarify.


I did have a response beyond that. You just quoted it.


MLK didn't just die. He was murdered in broad daylight.


So they'll murder you if you're nice to them, and they'll murder you if you're not.


No, I just recognize that your history is the rest of our future under Trump, and if some Nazis need to get punched in order to stop that then boohoo.


Debates end. There is a winner and a loser. There's no point in having an argument in the first place if someone isn't right, someone isn't wrong, and we can learn something from it over time. This debate should have been over a long ****ing time ago. We are under no obligation to keep pretending racist pieces of **** are going to wow us with their next "idea." If you have a problem with Justice, then it's your problem, not mine. I'm not waiting around for you to wake the **** up and realize you're wrong while good innocent people are trapped in a nightmare of your ignorance.

You do realize it is that type of mentality that led to the rise of Hitler in the first place.

As a society becomes more violent the population will vote to give more authority to the government to put a stop to it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yes, that is exactly what you said. It's not what you meant, but it is what you said. Either write clearer or deal with having to repeat yourself.

The more you insist on this, the more it becomes obvious that you know nothing about Karl Popper.
Aren't you even the least bit tempted to read about him?
Apparently not, but by all means, please keep confirming your ignorance to the entire group.

Popper shows us all how to not tolerate intolerance, is that better, do you get it now?
We're done, all this winning is becoming tiresome.
It's too bad a good decent liberal like myself cannot seem to get through to the likes of you.
But it's clearly not because of a lack of trying on my part.

I'm not the one coming late into a thread and then, in knee jerk reactionary fashion, announcing that it's too much work to read 81 posts, therefore those posts must all be drivel...on a debate forum, no less.

You're a failed liberal, you've just demonstrated it for the whole class.
You're a sterling example of the pitfalls liberals need to avoid, take a bow, please.
Your inner fascist is on display.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You do realize it is that type of mentality that led to the rise of Hitler in the first place.

As a society becomes more violent the population will vote to give more authority to the government to put a stop to it.

It's not even his mentality, it's his BEHAVIOR.
It's his lack of maturity.
It is his INNER FASCIST.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You do realize it is that type of mentality that led to the rise of Hitler in the first place.

As a society becomes more violent the population will vote to give more authority to the government to put a stop to it.

Oh, there's nothing wrong with properly focused violence at the right time, and at the right target.
Punching Nazis is fun, it's a big favor to society, it's a strike for decency and it's a way to honor the Greatest Generation.

As I pointed out in one of my posts (you know, the ones filled with drivel?) there's no need to allow a guy like Richard Spencer, a committed Nazi, to speak at a university, any more than one should allow a spokesman for ISIS, or the head of a large heroin cartel.
They have a documented past history of organized genocide, sometimes even state sponsored genocide.
That's a clear and present danger.

The trick is, knowing the difference between a Richard Spencer and a Milo Yiannopoulis.

 

[beancounter]

No, not foolish, but frustrated. Like talking to a brick wall with people who where unwilling to consider alternative perspectives, and believe that their perceived truths were absolute. It wasn't a forum, but an echo chamber. I've talked with cultist before, and SJW mentality seems to be very similar.

I don't believe everything I think is correct, that's why I like to hear different perspectives. However it seems there is some projection going on here, and it's you who believe everything you think is 100% correct.

You found a place with a few more people who agreed with you so you didn't feel so foolish all the time.


Oh, I see. So thousands of people all over the country whose entire job it is to critically analyze thoughts and ideas are terrible at it, but you arrogantly assume everything you believe is correct.

 

[MrWonka]

You do realize it is that type of mentality that led to the rise of Hitler in the first place.

Wrong. Irrational anger based upon Racism, Anti-Semitism, Xenophobia and economic fear led to the rise of Hitler. Legitimate anger caused by the attacks on Pearl Harbor and the evil actions of Nazi German during the Holocaust lead to the rise of the United States to kick the ****ing **** out of them. In fact, it united a number of countries that otherwise may not have been super friendly.

In fact, it was the indifference of so-called good people who didn't want to get involved or take a side in another World War that kept the United States from fully entering that war sooner and potentially preventing Hitler from getting so entrenched in the first place. While people like yourself seem intention.

When you ignore evil under the naive assumption that the idiot masses are too intelligent in this day and age to let it rise again you get Hitler, and you get Trump.

 

[MrWonka]

No, not foolish, but frustrated. Like talking to a brick wall with people who were unwilling to consider alternative perspectives,

Or maybe you're the one who was making terrible arguments that didn't deserve to be considered, and it is you who have gone off in search of like-minded cult members.

During the election, politifact.com put out a graphic showing the percentage of statements that various presidential candidates had made over the last 20 years or so since their inception. They found that Donald Trump was far and away the single most dishonest person that had ever run for president. The next 5 were also Republicans. Obama was rated the most honest followed by Hillary Clinton.

If you're having a difficult time deciding which side of this aisle is fighting for what is right, then the problem is with you. Struggling to pick a side doesn't make you smart, or indoor even open-minded. When one side is pure evil your inability to pick a side makes you ignorant to the point of negligence.

it's you who believe everything you think is 100% correct.

You sound like someone who is having a difficult time deciding if you want to vaccinate your children who then gets mad at the Doctor when he rolls his eyes at you for mentioning that stupid study you found on the internet about them causing autism. The Doctor doesn't believe what he believes because he's stuck in an echo chamber he believes it because he's spent a good chunk of his life making sure he knows his **** better than you,

I don't need to be correct about 100% of things. I have to be correct about one thing. The next Adolf Hitler is currently in the White House with access to nuclear weapons, and every day he is in office he's closer to annihilating an entire nation full of innocent human beings. If I'm right about that one thing then you better not wait another day to join the Justice Warriors who are fighting back.

 

[MrWonka]

It is his INNER FASCIST.

Again, you don't seem to know what fascism is all about. Fascism focuses on nationalism, tribalism, racism, xenophobia. That is what makes it so dangerous and so evil. It focuses on people for their existence, not their actions. MLK didn't tell you not to judge at all. He said judge based upon the content of a person's heart not the color of their skin. SJW are fighting to not be judged and treated inferior for physical attributes like these. But those who believe these people deserve to be treated as inferior do in fact have evil in their heart, and judging them for it is more than acceptable.

 

[Nap]

Wrong. Irrational anger based upon Racism, Anti-Semitism, Xenophobia and economic fear led to the rise of Hitler. Legitimate anger caused by the attacks on Pearl Harbor and the evil actions of Nazi German during the Holocaust lead to the rise of the United States to kick the ****ing **** out of them. In fact, it united a number of countries that otherwise may not have been super friendly.

In fact, it was the indifference of so-called good people who didn't want to get involved or take a side in another World War that kept the United States from fully entering that war sooner and potentially preventing Hitler from getting so entrenched in the first place. While people like yourself seem intention.

When you ignore evil under the naive assumption that the idiot masses are too intelligent in this day and age to let it rise again you get Hitler, and you get Trump.

The Great Depression provided a political opportunity for Hitler. Germans were ambivalent about the parliamentary republic, which faced challenges from right- and left-wing extremists. The moderate political parties were increasingly unable to stem the tide of extremism, and the German referendum of 1929 helped to elevate Nazi ideology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Notice how eerily similar that is to our current political climate. As the level of violence rises in a society the populace will begin to call on the government to put an end to it as people are more willing to give up their freedoms in order to feel safe. This is how totalitarian regimes begin to gain acceptance within a society.

 

[MrWonka]

The trick is, knowing the difference between a Richard Spencer and a Milo Yianopoulos.

Milo describes himself as a Troll. Those are his words for himself. Trolling will get you an infraction on this and most internet forums. If you think that Trolls deserve a platform in a place of higher education, then you are the one struggling to tell the difference between who is attempting to make a well-reasoned fact-based argument and those who are intentionally trying to instigate.

Trolling and flaming are specifically designed to try and get a rise out of their targets. They are fallacious forms of arguments that sadly work very well because foolish people believe incredibly stupid things like... "The person who loses their temper first, loses the argument."