Delta strain of COVID-19 surges in Midwest, areas with low vax rates

[beefheart]

I dont think anyone wants people dead. We should be celebrating the corona virus is mutating into far less lethal cold like mutations.

 

[joko104]

I dont think the unvaccinated have much to worry about, and the vaccinated absolutely nothing. Again, i dont think anyone really wants people to die.

Why should I worry? I think all of us in our circle has covid-19, not one of us hospitalized and not one death. We follow the anti 1920s Spanish flu "science." They copied the Spanish flu "science" - only worse because they made exceptions for the billionaires - so got the same result as they wanted.

Notice how no Democrat so far will post your second sentence?

 

[Antiwar]

Progressivism is about collectivism, for which loyalty to the leadership - in both the public and private sector - must be absolute and unquestioning. To be a progressive Democrat is to agree to be nothing but a little cog in the Democratic machinery run by others. A person exists solely to serve the collective. Call it fascism, socialism, communism or totalitarianism.

Unfortunately, your views on progressive politics are wrong. Hardly any Democratic politicians are progressive.

 

[SarahSun]

Everyone can look up their own state. Here is my state of virgina. Corona is flatlined after delta and we have no emergency at all here. 72% of inpatient beds occupied, far below normal. 241 corona, 12552 non corona. Doing very well here.
look up your own state.

Weekly Hospitalization Trends - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

This chart displays the 7-day trend in overall and Covid-19-specific hospitalization occupancy data to help understand changes in capacity and level of stress on hospitals.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[joko104]

If left to run it's course, while quarantining the at risk, a virus will always evolve to being less lethal - as essentially most contagious diseases do. They will kill and hospitalize the most vulnerable, who accordingly should be quarantined.

Simply, the most lethal forms kill the host, and the weaker forms are the ones that survive. As a result, it will continue to weaken.

Instead, they stretched this out, knowing this would insure increasing evolution to new variants - the only way to make covid-19 perpetual. Perpetual crisis is perpetual more power and wealth accumulation of those obviously profiting from it.

 

[SarahSun]

Why should I worry? I think all of us in our circle has covid-19, not one of us hospitalized and not one death. We follow the anti 1920s Spanish flu "science." They copied the Spanish flu "science" - only worse because they made exceptions for the billionaires - so got the same result as they wanted.

Notice how no Democrat so far will post your second sentence?

Well, i refuse to think people want other people to die because they differ with them. And again, natural immunity plus vaccinations are ending this every day. viruses mutate all the time which is why there are uncounted cold viruses.

 

[joko104]

Unfortunately, your views on progressive politics are wrong. Hardly any Democratic politicians are progressive.

They are not liberal. "Progressive" in my opinion means corporate fascism in application. What do you say it means in political theory?

 

[SarahSun]

If left to run it's course, while quarantining the at risk, a virus will always evolve to being less lethal - as essentially most contagious diseases do. They will kill and hospitalize the most vulnerable, who accordingly should be quarantined.

Simply, the most lethal forms kill the host, and the weaker forms are the ones that survive. As a result, it will continue to weaken.

Instead, they stretched this out, knowing this would insure increasing evolution to new variants - the only way to make covid-19 perpetual. Perpetual crisis is perpetual more power and wealth accumulation of those obviously profiting from it.

I agree there. We will never know now but had the most vulnerable been protected and the rest of us left alone my guess is fewer people would have died.

 

[joko104]

Well, i refuse to think people want other people to die because they differ with them. And again, natural immunity plus vaccinations are ending this every day. viruses mutate all the time which is why there are uncounted cold viruses.

Study world history. Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Study the KKK. All of world history is largely defined by groups, organizations and governments that want people another demographic to die, killed. There is a very dark side to the humans. Laws and authority are to suppress it.

 

[SarahSun]

Study world history. Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Study the KKK. All of world history is largely defined by groups, organizations and governments that want people another demographic to die, killed. There is a very dark side to the humans. Laws and authority are to suppress it.

I agree with you on the virus 100% but i know everyone here is a good person and none fit into those groups.

 

[Antiwar]

They are not liberal. "Progressive" in my opinion means corporate fascism in application. What do you say it means in political theory?

Progressive means a lot of things but grassroots organization to work toward a better world (not controlled by the powerful and wealthy) is a main characteristic. Both dominant parties are corporate, progressives aren't. Green Party.

 

[joko104]

I agree there. We will never know now but had the most vulnerable been protected and the rest of us left alone my guess is fewer people would have died.

Yes, and despite trillions and trillions spent, there wasn't $1 to quarantine those at risk in ways that are humane and insure their needs, including human contact, are provided. Instead, the elderly, many already isolated and alone, were completely ignored by the government. We did not disregard those we know at risk. They were the priority.

But I also will say in my opinion the numbers were deliberately grotesquely escalated - as extreme as offering 5 figure bounties for each death called a covid-19 death (with not testing or audit) and death report forms automatically reporting all deaths as covid-19 deaths unless proactively stated as otherwise. This is unprecedented in American or world history from what I could find.

However, those are old topics on this forum.

 

[joko104]

I agree with you on the virus 100% but i know everyone here is a good person and none fit into those groups.

I admire your kind and trusting heart.

 

[SarahSun]

One last chart. This one from CA where again there is no emergency. The are flatlined and on a slight downward trend since April. There simply is no emergency there regardless if the politicians there want an emergency.
75% of inpatient beds occupied, below normal 1571 corona in the whole state, 45150 non corona
Delta has been around a long time there and while positive tests might be up, the hospitalizations arent.

Weekly Hospitalization Trends - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

This chart displays the 7-day trend in overall and Covid-19-specific hospitalization occupancy data to help understand changes in capacity and level of stress on hospitals.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[Antiwar]

I agree there. We will never know now but had the most vulnerable been protected and the rest of us left alone my guess is fewer people would have died.

How does "being left alone" result in less people dying from Covid-19?

 

[SarahSun]

Yes, and despite trillions and trillions spent, there wasn't $1 to quarantine those at risk in ways that are humane and insure their needs, including human contact, are provided. Instead, the elderly, many already isolated and alone, were completely ignored by the government. We did not disregard those we know at risk. They were the priority.

But I also will say in my opinion the numbers were deliberately grotesquely escalated - as extreme as offering 5 figure bounties for each death called a covid-19 death (with not testing or audit) and death report forms automatically reporting all deaths as covid-19 deaths unless proactively stated as otherwise. This is unprecedented in American or world history from what I could find.

However, those are old topics on this forum.

Lets just celebrate the good news that delta isnt ravaging the nation unless you listen to cable news.

 

[Antiwar]

Yes, and despite trillions and trillions spent, there wasn't $1 to quarantine those at risk in ways that are humane and insure their needs, including human contact, are provided. Instead, the elderly, many already isolated and alone, were completely ignored by the government. We did not disregard those we know at risk. They were the priority.

But I also will say in my opinion the numbers were deliberately grotesquely escalated - as extreme as offering 5 figure bounties for each death called a covid-19 death (with not testing or audit) and death report forms automatically reporting all deaths as covid-19 deaths unless proactively stated as otherwise. This is unprecedented in American or world history from what I could find.

However, those are old topics on this forum.

I back you when I see you say something good. The above isn't good.

 

[MaryP]

I agree there. We will never know now but had the most vulnerable been protected and the rest of us left alone my guess is fewer people would have died.

How would that have worked? Anyone over 70 be quarantined indefinitely? What about other younger household members? Would the oldsters need to go somewhere else to be protected? Where? Who would do their shopping? If they needed to see a doctor, would the doctor make housecalls? Of course, age isn't the only high risk factor. Those who are obese or have heart conditions would have to be quarantined, regardless of age. That's a lot of people, Sarah, many more than you probably realize.

It sounds like a good idea, but in the execution, it would take enormous planning, and I'm not sure even then it could have been done.

 

[joko104]

I back you when I see you say something good. The above isn't good.

With my respect, ditto. What did I post that is false in your opinion? Since those topics have been rehashed with thousands of links over and over, don't ask for links.

Everyone has locked down on their opinions based upon what they have done or not done. Not 1 in 1,000 on the forum could possibly change their mind on this.

 

[Syamsu]

There's a possibility that Republican states will exploit the emergency, to make laws that promote the use of therapeutics. That would be an actual solution that has the potential of eradicating the disease.

Instead of getting vaccin shots every year for the rest of your life, with increasing damage of the vaccins.

 

[joko104]

How does "being left alone" result in less people dying from Covid-19?

One reason is not everyone takes being bullied very well. Shove me and I either walk away or or shove back -hard. Forget us ever conserving as either you are now irrelevant or an adversary.

 

[SarahSun]

How does "being left alone" result in less people dying from Covid-19?

For 2 reasons. Natural immunity would have spread much more quickly and numerous studies have shown corona was most likely to be spread within the home where people were concentrated. Also, there is some dispute as to whether mitigations actually made it worse by prolonging it. Someone told me in another thread while every state chart showed the virus spiked AFTER the mitigations were put into place masks still helped to slow it down. That is a possiblilty, but i could just as easily say masks made it worse. Both are equally possible to be correct.
one other thing that bothered me. All the models always predicted the virus and death rate to be magnitudes higher than they were. If the data they were putting in wasnt politically influenced to acheive the desired result of panic then reasonable people would expect that models would have shown equal amouns of outcomes which were above what happened and below. They all grossly overestimated what happened.

 

[joko104]

There's a possibility that Republican states will exploit the emergency, to make laws that promote the use of therapeutics. That would be an actual solution that has the potential of eradicating the disease.

Instead of getting vaccin shots every year for the rest of your life, with increasing damage of the vaccins.

Mentioning therapeutics will cause some preachers of covid-19 bioterrorism campaigning into hysteria.

 

[SarahSun]

There's a possibility that Republican states will exploit the emergency, to make laws that promote the use of therapeutics. That would be an actual solution that has the potential of eradicating the disease.

Instead of getting vaccin shots every year for the rest of your life, with increasing damage of the vaccins.

What emergency?

 

[joko104]

For 2 reasons. Natural immunity would have spread much more quickly and numerous studies have shown corona was most likely to be spread within the home where people were concentrated. Also, there is some dispute as to whether mitigations actually made it worse by prolonging it. Someone told me in another thread while every state chart showed the virus spiked AFTER the mitigations were put into place masks still helped to slow it down. That is a possiblilty, but i could just as easily say masks made it worse. Both are equally possible to be correct.
one other thing that bothered me. All the models always predicted the virus and death rate to be magnitudes higher than they were. If the data they were putting in wasnt politically influenced to acheive the desired result of panic then reasonable people would expect that models would have shown equal amouns of outcomes which were above what happened and below. They all grossly overestimated what happened.

I saw a study that 99% of infections occur indoors.

It has ALWAYS been understood that getting outside, in the sun and fresh air is high on the list to do when the cold or flu is going around.

Instead, people were told to stay indoors unless packing into WalMart and big box stores.

When anyone tries to use threats and fear to motivate me to do what is in their interests and against mine, that sales pitch is going to fail.