Delegate Count as of 3/6/2016

countryboy · Mar 6, 2016

KevinKohler said:
Exactly. If the GOP is THAT stupid, then I guess this will be their last hurrah. Because a Cruz nomination WILL mean a Clinton presidency.

This amounts to little more than wishful thinking. Cruz has consistently polled well in a head to head matchup against Clinton. :shrug:

KevinKohler · Mar 6, 2016

countryboy said:
This amounts to little more than wishful thinking. Cruz has consistently polled well in a head to head matchup against Clinton. :shrug:

And Ron Paul used to kill EVERYONE in polls.

countryboy · Mar 6, 2016

disneydude said:
I think Kasich is probably the ONE candidate who could win the GE for the Republicans. Trump, although unlikely could possibly do it. The rest that had ANY chance at all (Rubio, Bush, Walker) have all been taken out. I would LOVE to see Cruz gain momentum now and get the nomination. That would be hilarious if it were to happen!

Lol, it's hilarious to watch the drones continue to push this talking points meme. Even in the face of poll after poll after poll, which contradicts it.

countryboy · Mar 6, 2016

KevinKohler said:
And Ron Paul used to kill EVERYONE in polls.

Really? In head to head match ups against presumed DNC nominees? On Real Clear Politics? Source?

Orly? · Mar 6, 2016

Citizen.Seven · Mar 6, 2016

Militant_Vegan_ said:
cruz is a great choice if you're an evangelical minority.

Or a libertarian. Or think the constituion is more than a sticky note. Or actually believe in the 2A and the individual right to keep and bear arms is at least as important as those recognized in the 1A. Or believe that the solution to government excess is NOT more government.

I'm an atheist, and I support Cruz. It's sad that the candidate that reflects the fundamental principles of the US the best and most sincerely was born in Canada, but such are the dark times in whuch we live.

KevinKohler · Mar 6, 2016

countryboy said:
Really? In head to head match ups against presumed DNC nominees? On Real Clear Politics? Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_presidential_campaign,_2012

Citizen.Seven · Mar 6, 2016

KevinKohler said:
And Ron Paul used to kill EVERYONE in polls.

Online polls, sure, not real ones. As much as I admire and respect Ron Paul, the plain hard truth is that America wasn't ready for him. Too many decades of the USFG being seen as the solution rather than the problem or, at best, a necessary evil that had bloated and mutated into a monstrosity.

Perhaps it's not ready for Cruz either, and in aggregate wants more of the same with Hillary. Or the entertainment of Trump. Shrug.

KevinKohler · Mar 6, 2016

Citizen.Seven said:
Online polls, sure, not real ones. As much as I admire and respect Ron Paul, the plain hard truth is that America wasn't ready for him. Too many decades of the USFG being seen as the solution rather than the problem or, at best, a necessary evil that had bloated and mutated into a monstrosity.

Perhaps it's not ready for Cruz either, and in aggregate wants more of the same with Hillary. Or the entertainment of Trump. Shrug.

The day this country is "ready" for a man who is openly up front about his design to place his personal god before this country, is the day I leave this country.

KevinKohler · Mar 6, 2016

Citizen.Seven said:
Or a libertarian. Or think the constituion is more than a sticky note. Or actually believe in the 2A and the individual right to keep and bear arms is at least as important as those recognized in the 1A. Or believe that the solution to government excess is NOT more government.

I'm an atheist, and I support Cruz. It's sad that the candidate that reflects the fundamental principles of the US the best and most sincerely was born in Canada, but such are the dark times in whuch we live.

Those things sound great, but I hate to tell you, Cruz is not actually going to do most of those things. I mean, Obama talked a good game, too, what with getting rid of money in politics, and making washington more open and transparent, etc. None of it actually happened, though.

Here's the man's voting record, to help clarify how I have come to this conclusion...

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135705/ted-cruz#.Vtx_40DeuSo

Frank Apisa · Mar 6, 2016

Helix said:
no, he really doesn't. if he does win, i'll come back to this thread and admit that i was wrong. then i'll vote for him in the general.

The fat lady has not yet sung!

He may win. He MAY actually carry California! Lots of young people.

I want Hillary Clinton to win...but I would also be delighted with Bernie Sanders. He probably is closer to what I want for the country...but I see her as a winner...and I do NOT want the Republicans to control all three branches no matter what.

i'm not a conservative, and he isn't going to win. if he does win, the superdelegates won't overturn the result, IMO.

Okay. I'm not sure of what you meant here. If Bernie were to garner more votes than Hillary...I think the super delegates will not intervene on behalf of Hillary...and will drop her.

putting Trump in charge of the military is dangerous. i hope that it doesn't happen. i haven't yet decided if i'll vote for an unappealing legacy candidate who is also a hawk with something to prove in order to stop him. my gut says probably, which makes me feel disgusted. ****ing hawks. i really hate the duopoly system. most of the time, it really is licking up vomit or getting stabbed in the gut. take your pick, huzzah, and go team! in the past few weeks, i'm coming to the conclusion that the solution is to ban political parties outright. they just don't work.

I still haven't given up on the political system as now constituted.

JumpinJack · Mar 6, 2016

Citizen.Seven said:
Polls to date show cruz beating hillary RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton

Santorum was winning in early polls once upon a time. And that was a fairy tale.

Frank Apisa · Mar 6, 2016

JumpinJack said:
Santorum was winning in early polls once upon a time. And that was a fairy tale.

I still cannot comprehend the desire for Santorum. OF all the candidates the Republicans have put forward...he was one of the biggest losers.

KevinKohler · Mar 6, 2016

Helix said:
no, he really doesn't. if he does win, i'll come back to this thread and admit that i was wrong. then i'll vote for him in the general.

i'm not a conservative, and he isn't going to win. if he does win, the superdelegates won't overturn the result, IMO.

putting Trump in charge of the military is dangerous. i hope that it doesn't happen. i haven't yet decided if i'll vote for an unappealing legacy candidate who is also a hawk with something to prove in order to stop him. my gut says probably, which makes me feel disgusted. ****ing hawks. i really hate the duopoly system. most of the time, it really is licking up vomit or getting stabbed in the gut. take your pick, huzzah, and go team! in the past few weeks, i'm coming to the conclusion that the solution is to ban political parties outright. they just don't work.

All the more reason to do it. We need to remember why we have rules like CONGRESS being the only ones able to declare war in the first place.

JumpinJack · Mar 6, 2016

countryboy said:
Lol, it's hilarious to watch the drones continue to push this talking points meme. Even in the face of poll after poll after poll, which contradicts it.

Sanders' supporters say the same thing. Sanders has won states and delegates, too, like Cruz.

The polls are too early to tell anything. What counts at this point is common sense, history, and votes. History shows that extremists don't win the general election. On either side. Cruz is Tea Party. That's an extremist faction of the Republican Party. Sanders is an extremist to the left. Neither will win a general election, if you go by history, current votes, and for some...common sense.

JumpinJack · Mar 6, 2016

Frank Apisa said:
I still cannot comprehend the desire for Santorum. OF all the candidates the Republicans have put forward...he was one of the biggest losers.

He actually won Iowa or one of the early states, too. So did Huckabee.

MAGAnificent · Mar 6, 2016

Militant_Vegan_ said:
no way. Romney couldn't even beat Obama .

I did not mention Romney's name, did I? I mentioned Cruz. However any of the four GOP candidate left, even Trump would like beat cankles(Hillary.

The days of bitter old white guys deciding the president are long gone.

I agree on that. No more geriatric RINOs. However the same should go for the democrat party. The democrat front runner is a geriatric carpetbagging wench whose political career is based on little more then the coattails of her philandering hubby Billy Clinton.

MAGAnificent · Mar 6, 2016

disneydude said:
I think Kasich is probably the ONE candidate who could win the GE for the Republicans. Trump, although unlikely could possibly do it. The rest that had ANY chance at all (Rubio, Bush, Walker) have all been taken out. I would LOVE to see Cruz gain momentum now and get the nomination. That would be hilarious if it were to happen!

You would be one crestfallen unhappy liberal. Cruz would beat Hillary with one hand tied behind his back.

MAGAnificent · Mar 6, 2016

disneydude said:
Only because he has a pretty face and people bought into the lie that he is more "moderate" than the rest. Rubio was dangerous because he was a wolf in sheep's clothing.....just as wacko as Cruz, but a more attractive package to the general electorate.

That ofcourse is coming from the same side that has Hillary Clinton of "I dodged sniper fire in Bosnia" fame as it's front runner. Talk about whacko.

Citizen.Seven · Mar 6, 2016

KevinKohler said:
Those things sound great, but I hate to tell you, Cruz is not actually going to do most of those things. I mean, Obama talked a good game, too, what with getting rid of money in politics, and making washington more open and transparent, etc. None of it actually happened, though.

Here's the man's voting record, to help clarify how I have come to this conclusion...

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135705/ted-cruz#.Vtx_40DeuSo

Well, of course he wouldn't get everything done, or even a majority, but it's more about what he would try to get done. For instance, he voted against the infringements contained in the (laughably named) "Denying firearms and explosives to dangerous terrorists act", so his principles are in the right place.

Compare this to the opposition, who are making it a point to further infringements, or Trump, whose position is shall we say flexible based on history.

So, no, no one is going to get everything. Hell, BO controlled the entire congress and executive at one point, and all he got done was barely the ACA during a lame duck session.

MAGAnificent · Mar 6, 2016

disneydude said:
That's why I'm happy that he's as good as dead. His last shot hopes are on Florida and he is getting trounced there. If he were smart, he would drop out now and wait til 2020. A bad loss in Florida could be damaging to his future aspirations.

If Rubio were smart, he never would have joined forces with the likes of McCain and Schumer on that idiotic comprehensive immigration bill. Prior to that, he was a popular tea party darling. Now he will never shake the "RINO" designation.

MAGAnificent · Mar 6, 2016

KevinKohler said:
The republican turnout for TRUMP.

It's not just Trump. It is the anger of the conservative base over establishment republicans giving the conservative base the middle finger.

MAGAnificent · Mar 6, 2016

Militant_Vegan_ said:
yeah the majority of the american people want Ted Cruz as President. LOL

Do you really think the majority of the America people want Cankles(Hillary) as president?

MAGAnificent · Mar 6, 2016

Militant_Vegan_ said:
nope. minorities, women and young educated people aren't voting for cruz. people who voted for obama aren't voting for cruz.

romney couldn't even win and he was half sane.

Really? Polls show otherwise.

KevinKohler · Mar 6, 2016

Citizen.Seven said:
Well, of course he wouldn't get everything done, or even a majority, but it's more about what he would try to get done. For instance, he voted against the infringements contained in the (laughably named) "Denying firearms and explosives to dangerous terrorists act", so his principles are in the right place.

Compare this to the opposition, who are making it a point to further infringements, or Trump, whose position is shall we say flexible based on history.

So, no, no one is going to get everything. Hell, BO controlled the entire congress and executive at one point, and all he got done was barely the ACA during a lame duck session.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, Ted Cruz is an establishment candidate. IE, more of the same.

Look, I get it, this is my opinion, and you have yours. But I assure you, if Cruz gets the nomination, we can prepare for at least 4 years of Clinton, because his nomination WILL split the party. All the masses that are supporting Trump now are NOT going to vote for Cruz, for exactly the reason that they WANT to vote for Trump. They'll end up either NOT voting at all, or voting 3rd party, of which, the pickings are slim. Sure, SOME, a FEW, will down a couple shots of whiskey, and then pop a check mark next Cruz, and then pound a gingerale to keep from vomiting...but it won't be the numbers he'll need to defeat Hillary. Why? Because of apathy. Most of us who support Donald Trump don't do so because we feel he's going to be a great president, lol. We support him because he won't be more of the same. Cruz and Hillary will be.