DeLay indictment

[danarhea]

And the link for that, the pdf of the indictment along with the check, which is not illegal, had no such list. Now when the RNC donated money to the Texas campaigns they instructed where they wanted the money to go which is standard practice for the RNC and the DNC and happens everyday.

1) If it the check was backed by corporate funds, then it is a felony to use that check in political campaigns. Has been for more than 100 years in Texas.


Also, by sending it to the RNC and having the RNC pass it back, money laundering was committed.
2)

The PAC then wrote a $190,000 check to an arm of the Republican National Committee and provided the committee a document with the names of Texas State House candidates and the amounts they were supposed to receive in donations.

The indictment included a copy of the check.

From this link

I wont say you lied. I will just assume that you dont know all the facts in this case.

 

[ShamMol]

Yeah, from all the articles I read it is conspiracy, which frankly is a weak charge to begin with and thus may show that the DA doesn't really want to get him because there are so many other charges that he could have gone for.

 

[aps]

As for Earle going to a Democratic fundraiser, I have no problem with that. Patrick Fitzgerald goes to Republican fundraisers, and have have no doubt that his investigation of Rove and Libby will result in indictments. Earle and Fitzpatrick are both professionals, who put their job before party affiliations. Their job is to prosecute wrongdoing, and both are doing a good job.

I really hope that happens. It would be nice to see both the President's office and the Vice President's office go down in flames............

As for your arguments to support what Earle is doing, Danarhea, trust me, you're not going to convince any of the repubs that the facts are against their little DeLay. Ken Mehlman has issued talking points which are (paraphrased):

- Earle is a partisan hack
- What DeLay did was not illegal
- Earle hates DeLay because he is such a powerful person
- Earle attends democratic fundraisers
- Earle forced companies to donate money to a program that is run by one of his friends
- Earle could indict a ham sandwich

 

[ShamMol]

I really hope that happens. It would be nice to see both the President's office and the Vice President's office go down in flames............

As for your arguments to support what Earle is doing, Danarhea, trust me, you're not going to convince any of the repubs that the facts are against their little DeLay. Ken Mehlman has issued talking points which are (paraphrased):

- Earle is a partisan hack
- What DeLay did was not illegal
- Earle hates DeLay because he is such a powerful person
- Earle attends democratic fundraisers
- Earle forced companies to donate money to a program that is run by one of his friends
- Earle could indict a ham sandwich

Well...he can't indict a ham sandwich, but he could theoretically indict the owner of that ham sandwich for malicious intent. No? Not buying that one?

What Delay did is not clear and that is why there is going to be a trial-to determine if he did something wrong. The crime he is chargedfor is conspiracy to comit a crime, which can take on several different meanings, but is farely hard to prove.

I know judges who attend Republican fundraisers (who are Democrats) because they are invited. Public officials such as judges cannot raise money for any party or organization, but they can give-as it is their freedom of speech. Just as it is Earle's freedom of speech that allows him to go to any fundraiser and give to whomever he god damn pleases.

Earle may hate Delay because he is a powerful person-but that doesn't mean jack ***** because this isn't a partisan battle. He would indict anyone he thought he could get, even if it was a Democrat, which he has proven time and time again.

Also, please don't link, and htis is not adressed at you but in general, to things like nationalreview or truthout because you can find the exact same thing elsewehre (from say a newspaper's website) if it is truely unbaised. The only time you shouldn't is when it is an editorial-and those are weak anyways.

 

[cnredd]

I really hope that happens. It would be nice to see both the President's office and the Vice President's office go down in flames............

This, ladies & gentleman, is the thrust of all accusations...

I really hope aps is not an American in body as well as his heart...

 

[aps]

This, ladies & gentleman, is the thrust of all accusations...

I really hope aps is not an American in body as well as his heart...

So what's the problem with what I said? You think it's un-American? Okay. By the way, I am a woman.

 

[cnredd]

So what's the problem with what I said? You think it's un-American? Okay. By the way, I am a woman.

Your gender is "undisclosed" in your profile...I may need more proof...send pictures.

Anyone who wishes "to see both the President's office and the Vice President's office go down in flames" wishes so more for their political affiliation than for the good of the country.

Irrelevant of whether someone "wished" for Clinton's impeachment or not...It is still a black mark on our nation's history...

You are asking for that history to be repeated.

 

[aps]

Your gender is "undisclosed" in your profile...I may need more proof...send pictures.

Anyone who wishes "to see both the President's office and the Vice President's office go down in flames" wishes so more for their political affiliation than for the good of the country.

Irrelevant of whether someone "wished" for Clinton's impeachment or not...It is still a black mark on our nation's history...

You are asking for that history to be repeated.

Ahh, so you checked my profile. Hmmmmm.

I see what you're saying, but I can't lie. I just cannot stand George Bush and Dick Cheney. I find them both to be dishonest, self-centered, and arrogant, which are three of the worst traits someone can have.

 

[cnredd]

Ahh, so you checked my profile. Hmmmmm.

Of course I checked...I'm an internet stalker...don't tell.

I see what you're saying, but I can't lie. I just cannot stand George Bush and Dick Cheney. I find them both to be dishonest, self-centered, and arrogant, which are three of the worst traits someone can have.

That is pure conjecture...My opinion is the polar opposite...

It always seems that the ones who do the most get hurt short-term but the long-term effects will prove otherwise...Lincoln got 39% of the vote for Presidency...9 states had ZERO votes for him...(And "No"...I'm NOT comparing Bush to Lincoln)...

As per JFK...

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things,
not because they are easy, but because they are
hard"

GWB has chosen the latter...He could be "Slick Georgie" and worry about the polls like "He whom shall not be blamed" did, be he'd rather be looked upon as a fool and do the things he believes are right than act like a fool while looking good.

 

[scottyz]

This, ladies & gentleman, is the thrust of all accusations...

I really hope aps is not an American in body as well as his heart...

It was the same "thrust" behind all the accusations against the Clinton admin. Repubs didn't complain about it though.

 

[cnredd]

It was the same "thrust" behind all the accusations against the Clinton admin. Repubs didn't complain about it though.

So here comes the $64 questions...

Did you think it was wrong then?

If so, why is it condoned NOW?

You just GOTTA love the "They were wrong before, so we should be wrong now" theory, dontchya?:roll:

 

[scottyz]

If repubs think it's wrong than why did they do it to Clinton continuously? It's only wrong when it's one of their own I suppose? Guess that's politics.

 

[aps]

Of course I checked...I'm an internet stalker...don't tell.

:shock:

That is pure conjecture...My opinion is the polar opposite...

It is fact.

It always seems that the ones who do the most get hurt short-term but the long-term effects will prove otherwise...Lincoln got 39% of the vote for Presidency...9 states had ZERO votes for him...(And "No"...I'm NOT comparing Bush to Lincoln)...

As per JFK...

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things,
not because they are easy, but because they are
hard"

GWB has chosen the latter...He could be "Slick Georgie" and worry about the polls like "He whom shall not be blamed" did, be he'd rather be looked upon as a fool and do the things he believes are right than act like a fool while looking good.

*sigh* So I guess things won't work out between us with you being a Bush fan. :donkeyfla

 

[cnredd]

*sigh* So I guess things won't work out between us with you being a Bush fan. :donkeyfla

If you're the kind of person who can't look past political affiliation and see the inner beauty of people, then maybe not...

I've gone out with Democrats, Liberals, and JUST ONCE...a Dallas Cowboys' fan...I don't let political debates interfere with life...

 

[aps]

If you're the kind of person who can't look past political affiliation and see the inner beauty of people, then maybe not...

I've gone out with Democrats, Liberals, and JUST ONCE...a Dallas Cowboys' fan...I don't let political debates interfere with life...

I was joking, but then again.....maybe not.

I have 3 siblings, who are all *sigh* republicans, and I tolerate those bozos. (I love them--my parents are dems and I love them even more.)

Okay, okay, all kidding aside, I am married, and my husband is a fellow die-hard democrat, but that is purely a coincidence, as I was not into politcs when he and I got hitched.

 

[cnredd]

I was joking, but then again.....maybe not.

I have 3 siblings, who are all *sigh* republicans, and I tolerate those bozos. (I love them--my parents are dems and I love them even more.)

Okay, okay, all kidding aside, I am married, and my husband is a fellow die-hard democrat, but that is purely a coincidence, as I was not into politcs when he and I got hitched.

And if you found his affiliation different thans yours AFTERWARD, what would the current situation be?:doh

 

[aps]

And if you found his affiliation different thans yours AFTERWARD, what would the current situation be?:doh

OMG, the same. His character is why I married him.

 

[DeeJayH]

*sigh* So I guess things won't work out between us with you being a Bush fan. :donkeyfla

Clinton will not, in my opinion, be judged very well as a president, by history
he will certainly be judged much lower than his support polls

Bush, depending on how things go in the ME, could go down as one of the most important.
but i doubt his plans will suceed in the long run, so he will not go down as such
but he will in all likelihood get a more favorable rating than Clinton for all the catastrophe's, natural and man made, that he had to deal with in office
The fact that the unemployment rate is so low after the attacks of 9/11 will be a huge plus in his column
whereas the only thing to remember clintons presidency by will be a ............cigar

 

[danarhea]

Clinton will not, in my opinion, be judged very well as a president, by history
he will certainly be judged much lower than his support polls

Bush, depending on how things go in the ME, could go down as one of the most important.
but i doubt his plans will suceed in the long run, so he will not go down as such
but he will in all likelihood get a more favorable rating than Clinton for all the catastrophe's, natural and man made, that he had to deal with in office
The fact that the unemployment rate is so low after the attacks of 9/11 will be a huge plus in his column
whereas the only thing to remember clintons presidency by will be a ............cigar

Doesnt take a rocket scientists to know that, since the Bush administration changed the formula for calculating the unemployment rate, it had to go down, but there are still more unemployed and underemplyed people now than when Bush took office. Those whose unemployment benefits have run out are no longer counted.

I can see Bush now, saying "Gee, look at those people living on the streets. At least they are not unemployed now. Got to give me credit for getting them off the unemployment rolls. I am such a compassionate Conservative for that."

 

[aps]

Doesnt take a rocket scientists to know that, since the Bush administration changed the formula for calculating the unemployment rate, it had to go down, but there are still more unemployed and underemplyed people now than when Bush took office. Those whose unemployment benefits have run out are no longer counted.

I can see Bush now, saying "Gee, look at those people living on the streets. At least they are not unemployed now. Got to give me credit for getting them off the unemployment rolls. I am such a compassionate Conservative for that."

Those living below the poverty line have increased since 2000. Hmmmm. I wonder if there's a coincidence with Bush taking office at that time.

 

[DeeJayH]

Doesnt take a rocket scientists to know that, since the Bush administration changed the formula for calculating the unemployment rate, it had to go down, but there are still more unemployed and underemplyed people now than when Bush took office. Those whose unemployment benefits have run out are no longer counted.

I can see Bush now, saying "Gee, look at those people living on the streets. At least they are not unemployed now. Got to give me credit for getting them off the unemployment rolls. I am such a compassionate Conservative for that."

Unemployment benefits are not for life
they are a helping hand so that one can back on ones feet after losing a job
if you cant find a job in the time you are on unemployment, YOU ARE A LOSER. YOU ARE A FAILURE, and you deserve to die in the street, hungry and penniless.
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, OR DID YOU FORGET WE ARE ANIMALS
The unemployment rate is down because of the tax cuts and teh robust economy we enjoy as a result. There are plenty of jobs every week in my sunday paper. for the most part, those who are unemployed, are so by their own choice

and count whoever you want, we still have a lower unemployment rate than most of the rest of the world. and to top it off, there are still plenty of jobs
and there are just too many losers in this country who think certain jobs are below them.

 

[DeeJayH]

Those living below the poverty line have increased since 2000. Hmmmm. I wonder if there's a coincidence with Bush taking office at that time.

And yet if the dems were in power after the devastation of 9/11 the economy would be in the shitter. they would have raised taxes and the poverty/unemployment rates would have been much worse
but thanks to the Republican philosopy of cutting taxes to stimulate the economy, we are enjoying growth instead of recession or depresssion
and now, the Federal Treasury is taking in more money than it has ever before, in the history of the US

Dems: tax cuts for the rich, boohoohoo
Reps: tax cuts for the economy, huge success

 

[danarhea]

Unemployment benefits are not for life
they are a helping hand so that one can back on ones feet after losing a job
if you cant find a job in the time you are on unemployment, YOU ARE A LOSER. YOU ARE A FAILURE, and you deserve to die in the street, hungry and penniless.
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, OR DID YOU FORGET WE ARE ANIMALS
The unemployment rate is down because of the tax cuts and teh robust economy we enjoy as a result. There are plenty of jobs every week in my sunday paper. for the most part, those who are unemployed, are so by their own choice

and count whoever you want, we still have a lower unemployment rate than most of the rest of the world. and to top it off, there are still plenty of jobs
and there are just too many losers in this country who think certain jobs are below them.

Of course they are not for life. I am not arguing that. When you take millions off the rolls, due to a change in the rules of unemployment calculation, the rate is going to go down. DUH.

 

[Stinger]

>>Just as it is Earle's freedom of speech that allows him to go to any fundraiser and give to whomever he god damn pleases.

Sure but as a prosecutor he has a code of ethics to live up to and that includes NOT discussing on going investigations ESPECIALLY doing so at a partisian political gather of the party opposing the person being investigated and doing so for the purpose of raising campaign money.

I think the question should be when is Earle going to be indicted or disbarred. Do you really support elected prosecutor using cases under their investgations as vehicles to raise cash?

 

[danarhea]

>>Just as it is Earle's freedom of speech that allows him to go to any fundraiser and give to whomever he god damn pleases.

Sure but as a prosecutor he has a code of ethics to live up to and that includes NOT discussing on going investigations ESPECIALLY doing so at a partisian political gather of the party opposing the person being investigated and doing so for the purpose of raising campaign money.

I think the question should be when is Earle going to be indicted or disbarred. Do you really support elected prosecutor using cases under their investgations as vehicles to raise cash?

Fitzpatrick goes to Republican fundraisers, and gives to whomever he pleases. When he indicts Rove and Libby, are you going to claim he isnt ethical either and call for his disbarment too? You probably will, but on what grounds, since he gives to the GOP?

As for actually discussing the details of his investigation, just exactly what did he tell everyone? And I want a reputable link for that too.