DeLay indictment

[Navy Pride]

Clinton's lie was concerning his personal life - but that is beside the point. I asked if you were yelling for his head BEFORE he lied to answer an out of bounds question brought forth by what was the most obvious politically motivated persecution EVER.

DeLay is SCUM. He may twist his way out of jail time, but Abramoff is SCAM (and I hope even you wouldn't despute that), and DeLay is cut from the same log of crap.

Are you an Abramoff fan? Are you aware that of the connections between them? Clinton would never associate with SCUM like Abramoff, and DeLay thinks he represents the best of America. Greed and croonies! That may be the best of the GOP, but not the best of America.

So its ok to lie and perjur under oath to a federal judge depending on what the subject is huh? You got to be kidding me.......

Delay will be found not guilty and regain his leadership post in the Congress...This is a witch hunt to bring down a very conservative congressman.........You heard it first here.........

 

[Old and wise]

In case you lefties don't know it in this country you are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers..........I know you don't like that..You would love hang him without a trial.............

This indictment does not mean squat........It is strictly a partisan move by a left wing DA in Texas who is bitter because of how Delay foxed them in the redistricting issue.........

Delay has been a very powerful person in the HOR and has out foxed democrats many times...........That is what this is all about........

If and when this ever comes to trial Delay will be exonerated........

You can take that to the bank......

Maybe you think it doesn't mean squat. FYI an indictment means that a grand jury has enough evidence to have a case go to trial.

Maybe he will be exonerated, but how in the world would you know that? Are you psychic?

Time will tell, and if he is found guilty he should pay the price like anyone else that commits a crime.

 

[Deegan]

Yikes, the way the left has demonized this guy, you'd think he'd killed his pregnant girlfriend or something?

Oh, my bad, that was Teddy, no.....not Bundy, Kennedy.

I never liked the guy myself, but some have gone off the deep end on this issue, let's let the courts find the truth, he's stepped down now, as he should.

 

[Navy Pride]

Maybe you think it doesn't mean squat. FYI an indictment means that a grand jury has enough evidence to have a case go to trial.

Maybe he will be exonerated, but how in the world would you know that? Are you psychic?

Time will tell, and if he is found guilty he should pay the price like anyone else that commits a crime.

Like you I have and opinion......The DA Ron Earle indicted himself one time.....He also indicted Senator Hutchinson from that state...........This guy is a partisan whose elevator does not go all the way to the roof.........

If he is guilty then he should be punished to the full extent of the law.......

 

[Middleground]

This guy is a partisan whose elevator does not go all the way to the roof.........

If he is guilty then he should be punished to the full extent of the law.......

Speaking of partisan... she-sh. You're the only righty so far that is in total denial.

Somehow, I doubt that you'd change your opinion no matter if all the evidence was tattooed on your ass.

Anyway, DeLay is a scumbag, and IMHO, does not represent the true spirit of The Republican party. Instead of seeing this as a black eye, perhaps Republicans should view this as a cleansing of the the power hungry and corrupt and politicians that have given their party a bad rap.

 

[Middleground]

Yikes, the way the left has demonized this guy, you'd think he'd killed his pregnant girlfriend or something?

Oh, my bad, that was Teddy, no.....not Bundy, Kennedy.

Sigh. :roll:

 

[Deegan]

Sigh. :roll:

I know, shame that case guess never saw a Grand Jury.:roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

Speaking of partisan... she-sh. You're the only righty so far that is in total denial.

Somehow, I doubt that you'd change your opinion no matter if all the evidence was tattooed on your ass.

Anyway, DeLay is a scumbag, and IMHO, does not represent the true spirit of The Republican party. Instead of seeing this as a black eye, perhaps Republicans should view this as a cleansing of the the power hungry and corrupt and politicians that have given their party a bad rap.

ROTFLMAO, hey I am partisan make no mistake about that..I have no stomach for far left whinners that want to bring this country and our military down.........

That said if Delay is found guilty he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.........

Now if he is found not guilty can we expect a formal aplology from you in this forum since you are so non partisan:roll: .Never mind I already know the answer..............

 

[danarhea]

The left has been after Delay for years....He is a very effective politician who snookered them in redistricting in Texas...........I just heard the indictment read on the news............Trust me they won't lay a glove on him much to your sorrow............

Yes they will. Like I said, this is not political. This is about the TRMPAC slush fund and money laundering. Other indictments include the head of TRMPAC, the former head of TRMPAC, several corporations (whose CEO's have already pleaded guilty and given testimony that led to the other indictments) and other associates of Tom "Hot Tub" Delay.

Also, since you accuse me of partisanship, let me set the record straight. I never supported Clinton, and was one of the first to call for his impeachment. Unlike you, I am against lawbreaking, whether it is in the Democratic or Republican party. Corruption is corruption, no matter where it is. Thats the way I see it. It is not OK for one side to condemn lawbreaking, only to support it when their own people are involved. To state it simply, it is immoral.

 

[Navy Pride]

Yes they will. Like I said, this is not political. This is about the TRMPAC slush fund and money laundering. Other indictments include the head of TRMPAC, the former head of TRMPAC, several corporations (whose CEO's have already pleaded guilty and given testimony that led to the other indictments) and other associates of Tom "Hot Tub" Delay.

Also, since you accuse me of partisanship, let me set the record straight. I never supported Clinton, and was one of the first to call for his impeachment. Unlike you, I am against lawbreaking, whether it is in the Democratic or Republican party. Corruption is corruption, no matter where it is. Thats the way I see it. It is not OK for one side to condemn lawbreaking, only to support it when their own people are involved. To state it simply, it is immoral.

Are you really in your heart of heart say this is not political? The DA Earle is a partisan democrat who has spoken at democratic fund raising events in the past and even tried to indict Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson that was laughed out of court............

Like I said though if he is found guilty then he should be sentenced to the full extent of the law and not get off like Clinton did wwhen he was indicted and convicted..........

 

[Middleground]

I know, shame that case guess never saw a Grand Jury.:roll:

Sigh. Sigh.

What's the point of bringing this up in this thread? We are talking about DeLay's indictment that happened today. So what was the point of bringing this up? Is it kind of a tit-for-tat thing? When one of your guys looks bad, you feel the need to rehash some bad stuff a Democrat did eons ago? So like if I bring up Nixon's theft, you'll bring up Clinton's blow job. Cool. :doh

If you want to discuss it, I'd be more than happy to in another thread. Even though your debating style does not appeal to me.

 

[Deegan]

Sigh. Sigh.

What's the point of bringing this up in this thread? We are talking about DeLay's indictment that happened today. So what was the point of bringing this up? Is it kind of a tit-for-tat thing? When one of your guys looks bad, you feel the need to rehash some bad stuff a Democrat did eons ago? So like if I bring up Nixon's theft, you'll bring up Clinton's blow job. Cool. :doh

If you want to discuss it, I'd be more than happy to in another thread. Even though your debating style does not appeal to me.

I guess the fact that they have been trying to indict this man since 1993, and have failed every single time. But I guess you knew that already?:roll:

The idictment does not even suggest what he is guilty of, and they obviously only filed it so he would be forced to step away for a short time, and hope it sticks. I have always said, something is creepy about the guy, but we do still believe in "innocent until proved guilty" do we not?

 

[danarhea]

Are you really in your heart of heart say this is not political? The DA Earle is a partisan democrat who has spoken at democratic fund raising events in the past and even tried to indict Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson that was laughed out of court............

Like I said though if he is found guilty then he should be sentenced to the full extent of the law and not get off like Clinton did wwhen he was indicted and convicted..........

Ronnie Earle did not create the indictments. A grand jury of Delays peers did. Earle has gone after more Democrats than Republicans in Texas. The slush fund exists, and money laundering in TRMPAC occurred. This has already been proven in the convictions of the corporatons involved. The heads of these same corporations have already given testimony against Delay in exchange for a lighter sentence.

Delay is toast. You can either weep over it, or you can change the laws of Texas to allow money laundering and slush funds.

 

[Deegan]

Ronnie Earle did not create the indictments. A grand jury of Delays peers did. Earle has gone after more Democrats than Republicans in Texas. The slush fund exists, and money laundering in TRMPAC occurred. This has already been proven in the convictions of the corporatons involved. The heads of these same corporations have already given testimony against Delay in exchange for a lighter sentence.

Delay is toast. You can either weep over it, or you can change the laws of Texas to allow money laundering and slush funds.

This guy is as partisan as they come. He went after conservative Dems, never liberal ones, and has a long history of weak cases that are thrown out. There wasn't any Rep. represent. in Texas until Delay changed things, now those folks are really pissed.

 

[ShamMol]

This guy is as partisan as they come. He went after conservative Dems, never liberal ones, and has a long history of weak cases that are thrown out. There wasn't any Rep. represent. in Texas until Delay changed things, now those folks are really pissed.

oh wow. No offense, but any person who can get elected is loved by the party leadership. Basically-he goes after everyone. 12 of the 15 he has tried for corruption have been DEMS. A dem is a dem. A republican is a republican. It is that simple.

The grand jury indicted, not the DA, get over your bad selves.

 

[aquapub]

I don't know man, with such scathing and specific arguments as, "Tom Delay is just scum," I don't know how Delay can overcome this. :roll:

That is all liberals have against him-they despise him for handing them their asses in so many battles. He is a political pit viper, it doesn't make him a criminal.

Also...

Where were liberals when Bill Clinton treasonously took campaign contributions from Communist China in return for foreign policies that were favorable to China? Where were you transparent frauds when Clinton took $150,000 from ADM Milling and then, THE NEXT DAY, ordered 10% of the country to use Ethanol fuel...which made ADM Milling millions? For that matter, where were Democrats when slick Willy was brought up on repeated sexual harrassment charges before and after he became president? When he raped one of his interns?-buried by the media. When he used the IRS to target Jennifer Flowers during one of the many sexual harrassment hearings even though she had made far beneath the salary usually concerning the IRS? When he committed perjury? etc, etc, etc.


They were defending him, and calling every act of misconduct a "vast right wing conspiracy."

As is their trademark, now that their truly is a baseless, phony witch hunt going on, they disregard the total lack of evidence and treat it like gospel.

Spare us the partisan BS.

 

[Deegan]

oh wow. No offense, but any person who can get elected is loved by the party leadership. Basically-he goes after everyone. 12 of the 15 he has tried for corruption have been DEMS. A dem is a dem. A republican is a republican. It is that simple.

The grand jury indicted, not the DA, get over your bad selves.

Zell Miller would disagree.

 

[Old and wise]

Yikes, the way the left has demonized this guy, you'd think he'd killed his pregnant girlfriend or something?

Oh, my bad, that was Teddy, no.....not Bundy, Kennedy.

I never liked the guy myself, but some have gone off the deep end on this issue, let's let the courts find the truth, he's stepped down now, as he should.

DeLay has a pregnant girl friend? I didn't know that.:rofl

 

[danarhea]

This guy is as partisan as they come. He went after conservative Dems, never liberal ones, and has a long history of weak cases that are thrown out. There wasn't any Rep. represent. in Texas until Delay changed things, now those folks are really pissed.

You seem to forget that 7 corporations have already been convicted in this case. Again, the slush fund exists, and money laundering happened. The proof is in the convictions.

Now let me tell you how a grand jury works in Texas.

1) the grand jury is chosen at random, by drivers license numbers, and Republicans have just as much of a chance as Democrats of being impaneled.

2) An indictment is drawn up and handed down to the grand jury.

3) If the grand jury deems the charges as unwarranted, they no bill the defendant.

4) If the grand jury is deadlocked, then either the defendant is no billed or a new grand jury can be call which, hopefully, can either indict or no bill a defendant.

5) Only if there is a unanimous vote by the grand jury to indict, will any charges be brought.

6) If the vote is unanimous, then all members of the grand jury sign the indictment, and it is returned.

7) Once the indictment is returned, then a defendant is considered to be indicted.

Under this system, and under just about all grand jury systems, politics does not have a chance. And where does that leave those who are accusing Ronnie Earle of conducting a witch hunt. In the same place Clinton supporters were when they defended Bill Clinton's lying to a grand jury.

It is not the grand jury that is playing politics. It is the Bush supporters, angry as hell that one of theirs has been indicted, but who are among the first to demonize a Demorats for lawbreaking.

Give me an H
Give me a Y
Give me a P
Give me an O
Give me a C
Give me an R
Give me an I
Give me a T
Give me an E

What does that spell? Republican, of course.

 

[Deegan]

You seem to forget that 7 corporations have already been convicted in this case. Again, the slush fund exists, and money laundering happened. The proof is in the convictions.

Now let me tell you how a grand jury works in Texas.

1) the grand jury is chosen at random, by drivers license numbers, and Republicans have just as much of a chance as Democrats of being impaneled.

2) An indictment is drawn up and handed down to the grand jury.

3) If the grand jury deems the charges as unwarranted, they no bill the defendant.

4) If the grand jury is deadlocked, then either the defendant is no billed or a new grand jury can be call which, hopefully, can either indict or no bill a defendant.

5) Only if there is a unanimous vote by the grand jury to indict, will any charges be brought.

6) If the vote is unanimous, then all members of the grand jury sign the indictment, and it is returned.

7) Once the indictment is returned, then a defendant is considered to be indicted.

Under this system, and under just about all grand jury systems, politics does not have a chance. And where does that leave those who are accusing Ronnie Earle of conducting a witch hunt. In the same place Clinton supporters were when they defended Bill Clinton's lying to a grand jury.

It is not the grand jury that is playing politics. It is the Bush supporters, angry as hell that one of theirs has been indicted, but who are among the first to demonize a Demorats for lawbreaking.

Give me an H
Give me a Y
Give me a P
Give me an O
Give me a C
Give me an R
Give me an I
Give me a T
Give me an E

What does that spell? Republican, of course.

We all know how a G.J works, one side is presented, and only one side. It's not very difficult to get an indictment with those odds, not to mention, as you said, when others connected have been convicted already. But one man's conviction, does not anothers make, just because they had business relations. I predict you will be eating your words, as the case is very thin, and Delay has covered his tracks well, or we can assume, as this has been going on for over twelve years.

We shall see, even though I may not like someone, I am still going to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially where his career and freedom are concerned.

 

[danarhea]

We all know how a G.J works, one side is presented, and only one side. It's not very difficult to get an indictment with those odds, not to mention, as you said, when others connected have been convicted already. But one man's conviction, does not anothers make, just because they had business relations. I predict you will be eating your words, as the case is very thin, and Delay has covered his tracks well, or we can assume, as this has been going on for over twelve years.

We shall see, even though I may not like someone, I am still going to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially where his career and freedom are concerned.

Like you gave Bill Clinton? Cmon, you can tell me. I bashed Clinton too.

Seriously, many of the same people who accused Clinton of murdering Foster are the same ones saying exactly what you are now saying - He hasnt been convicted yet.

I will be the first to say that the Democrats are relishing this development, but so were Republicans when Clinton's head was on the chopping block. Bush supporters can at least show a little honesty here, but they usually dont.

Now I dont know you, and cannot say to a certainty if you are one of those 90% of Republicans that went after Clinton but defend Delay. If you are not, then this post does not apply to you. However, it does apply to all those dishonest and hyporcritical Republicans who on one hand, wanted to lynch Clinton, but on the other hand defend one of their own.

Finally, the grand jury, consisting not of Ronnie Earle, but of Democrats and Republicans chosen at random among registered Texas drivers, returned the indictment.

 

[ShamMol]

Zell Miller would disagree.

Politics makes fools of us all.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Like you gave Bill Clinton? Cmon, you can tell me. I bashed Clinton too.

Seriously, many of the same people who accused Clinton of murdering Foster are the same ones saying exactly what you are now saying - He hasnt been convicted yet.

I will be the first to say that the Democrats are relishing this development, but so were Republicans when Clinton's head was on the chopping block. Bush supporters can at least show a little honesty here, but they usually dont.

Now I dont know you, and cannot say to a certainty if you are one of those 90% of Republicans that went after Clinton but defend Delay. If you are not, then this post does not apply to you. However, it does apply to all those dishonest and hyporcritical Republicans who on one hand, wanted to lynch Clinton, but on the other hand defend one of their own.

Finally, the grand jury, consisting not of Ronnie Earle, but of Democrats and Republicans chosen at random among registered Texas drivers, returned the indictment.

Excellent point. Excellent point.

You know I don't understand it. The best thing for the Republican Party, and true conservatism is purge thugs like Delay from the party. If a person really loved what the Republican party is supposed to stand for, you would think they would want him out.

 

[Deegan]

Like you gave Bill Clinton? Cmon, you can tell me. I bashed Clinton too.

Seriously, many of the same people who accused Clinton of murdering Foster are the same ones saying exactly what you are now saying - He hasnt been convicted yet.

I will be the first to say that the Democrats are relishing this development, but so were Republicans when Clinton's head was on the chopping block. Bush supporters can at least show a little honesty here, but they usually dont.

Now I dont know you, and cannot say to a certainty if you are one of those 90% of Republicans that went after Clinton but defend Delay. If you are not, then this post does not apply to you. However, it does apply to all those dishonest and hyporcritical Republicans who on one hand, wanted to lynch Clinton, but on the other hand defend one of their own.

Finally, the grand jury, consisting not of Ronnie Earle, but of Democrats and Republicans chosen at random among registered Texas drivers, returned the indictment.

You know I have expressed my displeasure for the man before, but it is still up to a jury to decide.

As for Clinton, I liked the man, right up until he lied to the country, and I even liked him after, just didn't respect him.

 

[danarhea]

You know I have expressed my displeasure for the man before, but it is still up to a jury to decide.

As for Clinton, I liked the man, right up until he lied to the country, and I even liked him after, just didn't respect him.

I stopped liking Clinton the day he had Hillary unveil his new socialized medicine card to the country. Luckily, Republicans didnt let him run that sham on the American people. Too bad those Republicans either no longer exist or just decided to become the same as the Democrats. I miss what the GOP used to stand for. They are just about all RINO's now.