Define assault weapon

[Harshaw]

several of the most persistent, but least informed, gun banners, constantly play that game

I've encountered it twice just today.

 

[TurtleDude]

Green is a color.


There, defined. And he'll, almost as vague as the 94 weapons ban law.

I will tell you why. crime control has nothing to do with why they want bans. they want bans to harass people who don't buy into their leftwing agenda. And since they don't understand firearms, they don't want to be pinned down on what guns can be banned. Diane Feinstein was really upset that after she managed to get her idiotic gun ban passed in 1994, the makers quickly avoided it by making minor modifications to their firearms. She said that violated the "intent" of that stupid law. She was wetting herself over the fact that she didn't contemplate that it was easy to make an AR 15 without a bayonet lug or a flash hider. And that is exactly what the makers did. She and the rest of the assholes who voted for that law, didn't understand how easy it was for makers to sidestep the idiocy those POSs passed.

 

[TurtleDude]

3rnd burst is for relatively untrained troops in close quarters battle where they need to stop a threat instantly but haven't been given the trigger-time necessary to develop their skill to the point that it can be done with single shots.

Full-auto in an Assault Rifle is for stopping cars charging at you and whatnot.

:lamo

 

[Wayne Jr]

Yes your defense of the gun banners' tactics of using dishonest terms was a stupid post

I haven't defended any tactic. I stated what an item is used for.

 

[TurtleDude]

I haven't defended any tactic. I stated what an item is used for.

and you were wrong./

 

[Wayne Jr]

:lamo

Says the guy who's never been to a combat zone where the Taliban will drive vehicle-borne explosives through the front gate.

It's why they also gave me 300rnds of linked S.L.A.P. ammo, to kill the car before it got to us.

You realy do need to stop making asinine posts.

 

[Wayne Jr]

and you were wrong./

I'm correct, that's what those items are for, that's what they do, that's why they're there. You need to stop making these asinine posts.

 

[jet57]

Actually, I am genuinely trying to allow you guys to frame this debate.

No; you've already framed the argument by posting a litmus test for those who wish to discuss second amendment issues. Even though you cannot name the founders who were published ballistics experts so that they qualified for even proposing a right to keep and bear arms.

 

[ttwtt78640]

which is contrary to the constitution

Perhaps, yet only actionable if someone can get our nine robed umpires to so state.

 

[notquiteright]

Claiming AR 15s are designed for "HEAVY COMBAT" is one of the most stupid statements I have seen in 40 years of dealing with the most dishonest movement in the USA-the anti gun movement

So I'll bite- please use your military experience and tell us why an AR15 isn't designed for heavy combat... eace

 

[TurtleDude]

Says the guy who's never been to a combat zone where the Taliban will drive vehicle-borne explosives through the front gate.

It's why they also gave me 300rnds of linked S.L.A.P. ammo, to kill the car before it got to us.

You realy do need to stop making asinine posts.

One of the most silly positions I see when we are discussing civilian environments and the use of firearms in such an environment are those who try to extrapolate their alleged military service experience to our city streets. How many cases of people driving trucks laden with explosives do civilian cops deal with in the USA? can you even come up with one case of such a situation? SO tell us what reason civilian police have for fully automatic carbines. We aren't talking about belt fed tripod supported machine guns.

 

[TurtleDude]

So I'll bite- please use your military experience and tell us why an AR15 isn't designed for heavy combat... eace

Well tell us what military branches have been issued AR 15 rifles. I think I own MORE AR 15 rifles than have been issued to US military agencies

 

[ttwtt78640]

No; you've already framed the argument by posting a litmus test for those who wish to discuss second amendment issues. Even though you cannot name the founders who were published ballistics experts so that they qualified for even proposing a right to keep and bear arms.

You seem to have misunderstood the founder's intent by adding the BoR amendments completely. It was not to have the government grant rights to the people - it was to prevent the government from taking them away.

 

[TurtleDude]

Perhaps, yet only actionable if someone can get our nine robed umpires to so state.

the constant dishonesty of various supreme court justices is pretty obvious to most people

 

[TurtleDude]

You seem to have misunderstood the founder's intent by adding the BoR amendments completely. It was not to have the government grant rights to the people - it was to prevent the government from taking them away.

The bannerrhoid movement pretends that the second amendment is a limited grant of privileges, rather than a complete ban on government intrusions./ What I really laugh at is the idea that after a certain number of rounds in a gun or after a certain number of guns you have bought, the federal government SOMEHOW is GRANTED a power to ban you from having ONE MORE GUN or ONE MORE ROUND in that gun

 

[vegas giants]

You seem to have misunderstood the founder's intent by adding the BoR amendments completely. It was not to have the government grant rights to the people - it was to prevent the government from taking them away.

Ammosexuals do not seem to understand that every right has restrictions.


Gun control is constitutional

 

[ttwtt78640]

the constant dishonesty of various supreme court justices is pretty obvious to most people

Yep, yet a lifetime appointment to a position of such great power means that they can be as dishonest as they wish. Simply gaining 'standing' is hard enough, yet even once over that great hurdle, the SCOTUS can simply refuse to rule on any given case.

 

[notquiteright]

Well tell us what military branches have been issued AR 15 rifles. I think I own MORE AR 15 rifles than have been issued to US military agencies

Typical never served dodge.... :roll:

You made the claim- tell us why the AR15 isn't designed for heavy combat- I don't see many front line M1s in the military but they were designed for heavy combat. Now quit playing silly cherry games and give some reasons why the AR15 isn't capable of good service in heavy combat (why is it inferior to many other semi only rifles many military organizations have used)

They may not be the best pick, most modern pick, but your claim is claiming it capable of heavy combat is the 'most stupidest thing you've heard in 40 years....." :shock:

Now never served give reasons not dodges... you are so willing to discuss direct impinge vs piston... try a bit of this ahhhh X-spurtese about this topic... eace

 

[Mr Person]

Why do gun people always demand that the rest of us pass a definition test before gun control can be discussed?

Because if someone takes them up on it, they can lock the discussion down by shooting down every suggested definition.

(The other variant of the Definition Game being to simply invent one's own personal meaning of a word that loads the entire discussion in a direction they like, and refuse to discuss a subject using anything other than that definition).




I mean, they do have a point when they point out the last federal assault weapons ban was stupid because it was. Two or more of a list of attachments to a weapon made it an assault weapon.

Putting a grenade launcher on an otherwise qualifying rifle did not make it an assault weapon. But if you put a bayonet AND the grenade launcher on it, suddenly it was an assault weapon. Screw the bayonet, why the hell is a grenade launcher doing on a civilian weapon? Going to blow your own ass off and burn down the house to boot to get the bad man?




Maybe give them some trouble. Point out that self-defense is the core right of the 2nd Amd. per Heller, remind them that they like Heller, and demand that they define "defensive weapons" to your satisfaction on the premise that you will discuss banning the others if you are satisfied. I doubt you'll get much traction because they'll see their own game in it, but hey...

...not like any of them is going to have a major revelation without some personal tragedy happening in their own lives, and that's not the kind of thing to hope for.

 

[notquiteright]

Yep, yet a lifetime appointment to a position of such great power means that they can be as dishonest as they wish. Simply gaining 'standing' is hard enough, yet even once over that great hurdle, the SCOTUS can simply refuse to rule on any given case.

Oh how the world can be turned upside down....

A Justice must undergo intense scrutiny to be on the highest court. The lifetime appointment seems lovely when the rabid right gets what they think is a right wing robot, cry like a wet bitch when the appointee actually uses the Constitution and not the right wing dogma to decide cases.... :roll:

I have to shake my head when DECADES of rulings set a strong guideline but a few whiners want the ruling they feel is 'right'... eace

 

[TurtleDude]

Typical never served dodge.... :roll:

You made the claim- tell us why the AR15 isn't designed for heavy combat- I don't see many front line M1s in the military but they were designed for heavy combat. Now quit playing silly cherry games and give some reasons why the AR15 isn't capable of good service in heavy combat (why is it inferior to many other semi only rifles many military organizations have used)

They may not be the best pick, most modern pick, but your claim is claiming it capable of heavy combat is the 'most stupidest thing you've heard in 40 years....." :shock:

Now never served give reasons not dodges... you are so willing to discuss direct impinge vs piston... try a bit of this ahhhh X-spurtese about this topic... eace

AR 15s were never marketed nor sold for military use. They were made and marketed for civilian use. I realize you think you can cover up your weak arguments by constantly referring to your alleged military service-which has absolutely no relevance to this topic. You constantly try to play the game of saying you aren't anti gun rights while attacking those of us who clearly advocate gun rights, because you don't like the fact that your side of the political debate is the side that hates the rights of honest citizens to own firearms.

 

[Casper]

we could start a discussion about whether direct impingement is a better system for a 556 rifle compared to piston driven.

Both have thier ptos and cons, I tend to lean towards simplicity which usually equates to reliability. But then again I am old school, hence why all my bows are recurves and long bows, same with my crossbows, just fewer things to go wrong and prefer them for their tradition. Same applies to most of my firearms, give me the basics and I will upgrade them myself if and when I find a need.

 

[TurtleDude]

Suitable for "heavy combat" is not the same as "designed for heavy combat". Estwing camping hatchets are not designed for combat but guess what? they sure could be used for "heavy combat".Same with Randall #5 husting knives. Not designed for military use, not marketed to military operatives, but that Randall Model is far more durable than the military issue knives currently supplied by military contractors.

 

[TurtleDude]

Both have thier ptos and cons, I tend to lean towards simplicity which usually equates to reliability. But then again I am old school, hence why all my bows are recurves and long bows, same with my crossbows, just fewer things to go wrong and prefer them for their tradition. Same applies to most of my firearms, give me the basics and I will upgrade them myself if and when I find a need.

Ah a crossbow fan-I was a staff shooter for Excalibur until BowTech's parent group bought them from Bill and Kath Troubridge, and now i shoot Missions. I also was one of the last staff shooters for the original Sky Archery, Then Martin, then Hoyt.

I find no real difference in performance between my SIG MCX(PISTON) and my several Daniels Defense or HM defense rifles (all direct impingement)

 

[Mr Person]

Well tell us what military branches have been issued AR 15 rifles. I think I own MORE AR 15 rifles than have been issued to US military agencies

Issued? It was designed by Armalite for the army. The M-16 is adapted from it. The major difference being the AR-15 is semi-auto only, but then, when people in the military are trying to actually kill someone they use semi mode. Automatic is for covering fire situations, no?

I just double-checked. This is true. Naturally, if the army is going to issue someone an AR-15 or an M-16, they'll issue the M-16 because covering fire is indeed useful.