Defending Yourself In Your Home: Is it right?

[AGENT J]

Perhaps we should refer to some John Wayne films...



What guess? I'm not saying you can't blast someone that's actually trying to kill you in their home, you may have to one day if you're opening fire on an uneducated guess.



Since your guessing the parents are gang-bangers too... you're seriously going to risk your safety to a guess or hope that they're in jail? It's a guess if your head isnt found in a desert 5 miles form your body.



And a firefight in your home likely in the dark most likely outgunned isnt a risk to your family at all. :roll:
Insure your stuff and get a security system then you wont have to wake your wife or teenage son for a shootout.
Someones there to steal your possessions, and you're going to open fire and have a pretty sharp chance of getting yourself killed.

I'm sure the casanostra and MS-13 are coming to kill you. :roll:

like I said the fact is you guessed, you claimed that the 12 yr old isnt there to do anythign but rob, thats a guess

as far as the rest, YES I woudld risk EVERYTHING for my family or maybe I could just let us all die on the first night LMAO

and again I like how you stack the deck and make up stories. firefight? outgunned? dark? wife and teenage involved in a shoot out? Im likely to get killed? LMAO where do you come up with this fantasy LOL

MS-13? casanostra?


Please stay on topic and keep the fantasy down to a minimum, I think you quoting Enola FIRST and then quoting what I said without my name on it caused you to be confused about what you are saying LOL

BTW we all know criminals are so afraid of security systems lol they also dont do drugs or carry guns because that illegal LOL

 

[MKULTRABOY]

Well, I think you are a bit confused because I'm not sure who you are addressing. The one quote was mine. The others, someone else's.

So try again and ask me specifically what you want answered that pertains to something I said..not someone else.

Perhaps you can make an effort and recall what you posted vs the other poster in my quotes.
Aside from your deflection let me inform you that I am not here to ask you anything.
I am going to 'inform you' to be cautious and not fire on a 12 year old in your home that isn't actively attempting to kill you.

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

We have had 3 robbers shot in houses in the past month in my area. No one has been charged. Two of the deceased robbers did not have a firearm.

If you are in my house and I see any sort of weapon, I'm aiming for your core. If there are babies in the house I likely won't wait to see a weapon, but I will try to shoot you in the legs or feet instead of shoot your core. If you are trying to steal my car from the driveway, well I have a shotgun loaded up with rock salt...... and a real weapon nearby in case you try shooting back.

I had some older teens try to steal from the shed once. I jacked the shotgun (the one with rock salt) and heard "oh s**t, the b***h has a gun" followed by running.

 

[cpgrad08]

I always open carry or keep my gun in arms reach at all times when I'm back home. Someone breaks into my home regradless of age, sex, and race I'm going for kill shot or a failure drill.

 

[AGENT J]

Castle laws don't make it really any different now than it was. If the DA thinks you were defending yourself you won't be charged. If they think you were not in danger you will.

One never has to prove they are not guilty. The prosecution has always had to prove you were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is a law to make gun owners feel better. Doesn't change anything. You can't kill someone who isn't a threat.

actually they do change the situation because burden of proof, this is a fact.

You are still not following, you simple dont get it. Before in PA I would have been charged for sure and then had to prove he was a threat, now I might not be charged at all and if so they will have to prove he was not a threat. Legally and in reality its quite different.

Before they would have wanted to know why I didnt run out the back door (whether i was leaving my family or not) or hide in a closet or just surrender, now those arent even questions that matter with the new law.

and you keep saying you cant kill someone that isnt a treat like somebody said otherwise LMAO

 

[AGENT J]

Perhaps you can make an effort and recall what you posted vs the other poster in my quotes.
Aside from your deflection let me inform you that I am not here to ask you anything.
I am going to 'inform you' to be cautious and not fire on a 12 year old in your home that isn't actively attempting to kill you.

see post 71 you screwed it all up you joind my posts ad hers together, well you at least didnt includ my name on them and then proceeded to talk about gangs???? LOL

so it wasnt a deflection she was 100% right as I also posted in another post.

 

[kenvin]

like I said the fact is you guessed, you claimed that the 12 yr old isnt there to do anythign but rob, thats a guess

as far as the rest, YES I woudld risk EVERYTHING for my family or maybe I could just let us all die on the first night LMAO

and again I like how you stack the deck and make up stories. firefight? outgunned? dark? wife and teenage involved in a shoot out? Im likely to get killed? LMAO where do you come up with this fantasy LOL

MS-13? casanostra?


Please stay on topic and keep the fantasy down to a minimum, I think you quoting Enola FIRST and then quoting what I said without my name on it caused you to be confused about what you are saying LOL

BTW we all know criminals are so afraid of security systems lol they also dont do drugs or carry guns because that illegal LOL

You watch too much tv. If you shoot a 12 year old that kid better be running at you yelling Im going to kill you or you will likely have problems. Same with the elderly. You can't kill someone who isn't a threat. You find a kid stealing your xbox isn't a threat and castle won't make it any different.

 

[AGENT J]

Every situation is different. Every person is different. If I'm at home, no one breaking into it is there to steal stuff. I have a 125# German Shephard that's going to be barking his brains out starting with the first sound. If I'm at home, my car is in my driveway. And Tom has a spare pick-up that's always parked in it. So that's two cars. So. If someone broke in hearing that/knowing that, THAT is what would make it so terrifying to the average lady. We don't have physical strength. A gun is the equalizer....even if we can't hit the broad side of a barn with it. Day or night, if I'm at home, I am going to assume you have broken in to kill me. Me? I think that's a smart position to take. And I think it's the position any reasonable LEO would be comfortable with.

amen sister, no logical reason to think otherwise or risk it

 

[kenvin]

amen sister, no logical reason to think otherwise or risk it

Of course there is. It is a 12 year old kid. He is stealing an xbox. You can't kill a child for stealing a toy. Even in your home. Castle makes no difference.

 

[cpgrad08]

You watch too much tv. If you shoot a 12 year old that kid better be running at you yelling Im going to kill you or you will likely have problems. Same with the elderly. You can't kill someone who isn't a threat. You find a kid stealing your xbox isn't a threat and castle won't make it any different.

Just because they are 12 doesn't mean they aren't armed. Life was thought me not to take that can of risk in that kind of a situation.

 

[Enola]

Perhaps you can make an effort and recall what you posted vs the other poster in my quotes.
Aside from your deflection let me inform you that I am not here to ask you anything.
I am going to 'inform you' to be cautious and not fire on a 12 year old in your home that isn't actively attempting to kill you.

And I am going to inform you that anyone that comes in my home uninvited is going to get shot.
You do not know me. You do not know my history. My life. My family. My jobs. My experiences.
What I have seen or done or know about. I have guns for a reason. They are not used and will never be used unless someone enters MY home. If I feel they are a threat to me or mine, those guns will be used. Period. End of story.

I don't know how more clear I can be.

 

[AGENT J]

You watch too much tv. If you shoot a 12 year old that kid better be running at you yelling Im going to kill you or you will likely have problems. Same with the elderly. You can't kill someone who isn't a threat. You find a kid stealing your xbox isn't a threat and castle won't make it any different.

has nothign to do with TV it has to do with reality.

All you are doing is stating your opinion and acting like its fact and the point is it not. I do agree there are situations where a home owner can get in trouble but simply saying 12yr old or elderly is not enough.

The problem is you keep making up scenarios and then judging my posts on YOUR scenarios and the fact is details like 12yr old or elderly has little to do with it.

Castle law in fact does make it different because now i didnt have to run or hide, this is a fact sorry you dont like it.

Also with your scenario of "theft" that is now two crimes, tell me why am i supposed to deem them not a threat? this is the point, the defense will now have to prove he wasnt a threat instead of the other way around.

He is a criminal in my house in the middle of committing two crimes, why should I believe he wont commit more?
You can "disagree" all you want but the fact is castle laws change the matter :shrug:

 

[MKULTRABOY]

like I said the fact is you guessed, you claimed that the 12 yr old isnt there to do anythign but rob, thats a guess

A 12 year old can't get a boner whats he going to do smoke a doob in your house?

as far as the rest, YES I would risk EVERYTHING for my family or maybe I could just let us all die on the first night LMAO

And then you ASSUME theyre there to murder you and not take your possessions like 90% of the damned robberies in the US?

and again I like how you stack the deck and make up stories. firefight? outgunned? dark? wife and teenage involved in a shoot out? Im likely to get killed? LMAO where do you come up with this fantasy LOL

LMAO every damned gun proponent thinks they're a goddamned pistolero.

MS-13? casanostra?

Obviously someone is trying to murder your entire family in the night :lamo

BTW we all know criminals are so afraid of security systems lol they also dont do drugs or carry guns because that illegal LOL

It may scare the 12 year old you plan on murdering and keep you out of jail.

 

[AGENT J]

Of course there is. It is a 12 year old kid. He is stealing an xbox. You can't kill a child for stealing a toy. Even in your home. Castle makes no difference.

nope this is just your opinion and nothing more, i love how you cal it a toy for emotional appeal.

The fact is, He is a criminal in my house, in the middle of committing two crimes, no reason to logically think he might not try to commit more and risk me or my family.

SO i disagree and thats the point, castle laws help me do this because now i dont have to run and hide LOL

 

[MaggieD]

And then you ASSUME theyre there to murder you and not take your possessions like 90% of the damned robberies in the US?

If you are at home, it's not a robbery. It's a home invasion.

LMAO every damned gun proponent thinks they're a goddamned pistolero.

I used to think, too, until I got a gun and learned how to use it. If you have one, it only makes sense to have thought through when you intend on using it. I think these kinds of questions just reinforce those scenerios in our minds. I do get what you're saying, though.

Obviously someone is trying to murder your entire family in the night :lamo

Who's going to protect your little pony if you don't??

 

[Enola]

A 12 year old can't get a boner whats he going to do smoke a doob in your house?



And then you ASSUME theyre there to murder you and not take your possessions like 90% of the damned robberies in the US?



LMAO every damned gun proponent thinks they're a goddamned pistolero.



Obviously someone is trying to murder your entire family in the night :lamo



It may scare the 12 year old you plan on murdering and keep you out of jail.

Now look who is assuming.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)A 12 year old can't get a boner whats he going to do smoke a doob in your house?



2.)And then you ASSUME theyre there to murder you and not take your possessions like 90% of the damned robberies in the US?



3.)LMAO every damned gun proponent thinks they're a goddamned pistolero.



4.)Obviously someone is trying to murder your entire family in the night :lamo



It may scare the 12 year old you plan on murdering and keep you out of jail.

1.) a guess
2.) a guess by you and a risk I will never take
3.) this isnt even a response, it makes no sense and you were the one that made up the pistolero story LMAO
4.) again meaningless
5.) i already have one and it MAY, which is another guess, but if they are in my house not my job to guess and Ill gladly go to jail alive and with my family alive than any alternative which involve me or them hurt or dead :shrug:

let me know when you are ready to be honest and stop making up dramaitic stories and stay on topic. LOL

 

[taxigirl]

You watch too much tv. If you shoot a 12 year old that kid better be running at you yelling Im going to kill you or you will likely have problems. Same with the elderly. You can't kill someone who isn't a threat. You find a kid stealing your xbox isn't a threat and castle won't make it any different.

So we are supposed to stop, ask "why are you here" wait for an answer (along with an opportunity for the 12 yo to become violent) and then fire?

I don't think anyone knows for sure what they would do or what would happen until it happens. I had assured myself that if I was ever in a situation that I could not control that I would scream and attack back in the right places. I had rehearsed the possible situations in my mind (I had a job with the public that is not always safe). When I was attacked it was in my home by someone I knew. I never screamed, I crawled on the floor to get to a phone after the first one was taken from me. It never occurred to me to scream, I just had to get that phone. I don't know why, it was pretty obvious that other people in my building had heard it. Furniture was thrown and a computer crashed through a living room window.

I did not do a very good job assessing the situation. It was unexpected. Thankfully I was not injured.

At the job I worked I was always hyper vigilant so I was able to assess things more clearly and formulate plans. home is where we are supposed to be safe and not "on the look out". If something happens and there is an intruder sometimes there just is not time to assess.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

Now look who is assuming.

Oh, I'm sorry, you are a pistolero and win gunfights with magic bullets!

Good for you!

 

[cpgrad08]

Glad to hear that you got yourself a gun.

 

[katiegrrl0]

There are currently about seventy million Americans under the age of 18, or a quarter of the total US population. Juvenile crime statistics report that 2.3 million juveniles were arrested in 2002. This accounts for 17 percent of all arrests and 15 to 25 percent of all violent crimes. According to juvenile crime statistics, murder accounted for five percent of violent crimes committed by juveniles, 12 percent for rape, 14 percent for robbery, and 12 percent for aggravated assault.

According to 1997 juvenile crime statistics, 1700 juveniles were involved in 1400 murders that year. One hundred thirty of these murders were perpetrated by a female. Approximately eighty percent of juvenile murders involve the use of a firearm. Forty percent of these crimes involve two or more juvenile offenders. Fifty six percent of the victims in these crimes are acquaintances of the murderer and 34 percent are strangers.

Juvenile Crime Statistics - Online Lawyer Source

It does seem that juveniles commit violent crimes. So they may not be able to get a boner but were involved in 1400 murders in 1997. I guess you don't need to have an erection to kill.

 

[digsbe]

A 12 year old can't get a boner whats he going to do smoke a doob in your house?



And then you ASSUME theyre there to murder you and not take your possessions like 90% of the damned robberies in the US?



LMAO every damned gun proponent thinks they're a goddamned pistolero.



Obviously someone is trying to murder your entire family in the night :lamo



It may scare the 12 year old you plan on murdering and keep you out of jail.

You don't know if they plan to harm you or not. What you do know is that they are in your home without your permission and they are stealing your possessions. It's not unreasonable to assume that the person is armed or violent and it's perfectly fine to take self defense measures against a trespasser who is stealing your things.

 

[Aderleth]

Day or night, if I'm at home, I am going to assume you have broken in to kill me. Me? I think that's a smart position to take. And I think it's the position any reasonable LEO would be comfortable with.

You should be careful with that. If you shoot someone without a specific reason to believe that person is a threat, you're going to end up in prison.

 

[Aderleth]

You don't know if they plan to harm you or not. What you do know is that they are in your home without your permission and they are stealing your possessions. It's not unreasonable to assume that the person is armed or violent and it's perfectly fine to take self defense measures against a trespasser who is stealing your things.

Not according to the laws of most states it's not. You need more than the assumption that the intruder is armed and dangerous to utilize lethal force. You need actual evidence along those lines.

 

[AGENT J]

So we are supposed to stop, ask "why are you here" wait for an answer (along with an opportunity for the 12 yo to become violent) and then fire?

I don't think anyone knows for sure what they would do or what would happen until it happens. I had assured myself that if I was ever in a situation that I could not control that I would scream and attack back in the right places. I had rehearsed the possible situations in my mind (I had a job with the public that is not always safe). When I was attacked it was in my home by someone I knew. I never screamed, I crawled on the floor to get to a phone after the first one was taken from me. It never occurred to me to scream, I just had to get that phone. I don't know why, it was pretty obvious that other people in my building had heard it. Furniture was thrown and a computer crashed through a living room window.

I did not do a very good job assessing the situation. It was unexpected. Thankfully I was not injured.

At the job I worked I was always hyper vigilant so I was able to assess things more clearly and formulate plans. home is where we are supposed to be safe and not "on the look out". If something happens and there is an intruder sometimes there just is not time to assess.

exactly its not your job to guess, assume and risk.
Ill never understand why people think its worth the risk or that a criminal in the middle of committing two crimes is trustworthy lol

Excuse me mr burglar, please dont move while i figure out if you are a threat. DO yo have an weapons on you? do you plan to hurt me or my family with them if you do? are you telling me the truth mr criminal? ok wait there and dont move or try to hurt us while the cops are on the way to send you to jail.

Its nuts