Decisions on your 2020 Vote.

[Phys251]

If we have Trump again, people like you specifically who are completely unable to compromise without flipping over the game board because you didn't get it your way will be personally responsible.

That ****ty logic is what got us him in the first place.

I know we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but you nailed it on this one.

I'm blue no matter who. No matter how moderate or progressive they are. The fate of our democracy rests on this election.

 

[Cardinal]

I'll most likely be voting Democrat. I'm batting for Sanders, but if I don't get him, then perhaps Tusli Gabbard or Warren (as much as I have problems with her). The rest are just so meh to me, or so beneath the consideration of voting for them (like Jay Inslee). Like, I really don't want to have to vote for Biden. I might just have to suck it up and vote for the Democratic nomination, but I might just go ahead and vote third-party like I did last time. Who knows.

It really just comes down to how bad you think Trump is. If you consider him bad but ultimately tolerable, then yes, you should follow your principles and vote third party if you don't get the Democratic candidate you want.

But let me ask you this: who is better? Inslee or Trump? Is Inslee's mediocrity worse than Trump's sociopathy, dishonesty and antidemocratic principles?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Are other countries paying for their coverage with $trillion dollar deficits? If they are going into the deep deficit/debt hole to pay for their universal healthcare programs then they, too, will be in for a major sticker shock once those debts have to be paid.

Nope, they pay less than we do, by a lot.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

I won't throw out a vote on a third party candidate, I think doing that may even benefit the greater of the two evils to choose from. That may have been what happened in 2016.

I will vote democratic in the 2020 election, from all I've seen and heard from Trump and his followers, there's no way I could vote for anyone in that party, republicans who are remaining silent in the corners while watching all the stunts Trump is pulling, should be ashamed at least. They have no spine, no character, no morals and no soul. They have no love or respect for this country or its citizens, they're just in it for political gain, and that's obvious to any thinking person in the United States or around the world. Even those who were against Trump in the beginning, are still licking his boots now....pathetic. I don't know how they sleep at night.

 

[Surrealistik]

Depends on who the democrats nominate. If Sanders, I write in Mickey Mouse. If Warren, I am not sure yet. If Yang, I cry for our country and write in Mickey Mouse. If it is one of the others, I will probably vote for them.

I absolutely despise Biden, and even I'd hold my nose to vote for his painfully dumb, bumbling 90s neo-liberal moderate Republican DINO ass over Trump, just as I voted for Hillary.

 

[Outlook]

Well the time is fast approaching, and with the debates coming into full swing, especially with what we just got to see. Biden, Gillibrand, the lot of them basically going at it, and even protestors getting into the mix

I just want to know who is decided on what at this point. Because right now I'm only set to support three candidates, and I've already donated to them for their campaigns.

Though to be honest, I don't see my democratic picks coming into the lead, or even having a chance in winning the primaries.

Really?
The election is 15 months away.
Ask me again on November 1, 2020.

 

[Oborosen]

Anyone running as a Republican.

So I'm completely fine in saying that about 90% of the people running as sex offenders are democrats. That is if I'm allowed to play by such broadly slung rules as well?

 

[Oborosen]

For one - people right here who constantly defend and apologize for him.

Second, any politician who is on his side of the line. That does not include every Republican because some have spoken out against him and his racist policies and tactics - but it almost always includes all Republicans running today.

Which is explains why so many are currently against the majority of the democrats.
The racist policies, the sexist policies, the homophobic policies, and routinely behaving like sex offenders in most cases.

Pretty much explains it all...

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Yeah, Trump's gotta go before he finally fails to stop an impromptu missile launch in time. I'd prefer Sanders, Warren or Tulsi in that order, but I'll take almost anyone who isn't Delaney at this point. Even Biden, much as I hate to actually admit it.

 

[Oborosen]

I'll most likely be voting Democrat. I'm batting for Sanders, but if I don't get him, then perhaps Tusli Gabbard or Warren (as much as I have problems with her). The rest are just so meh to me, or so beneath the consideration of voting for them (like Jay Inslee). Like, I really don't want to have to vote for Biden. I might just have to suck it up and vote for the Democratic nomination, but I might just go ahead and vote third-party like I did last time. Who knows.

I feel you on the Warren vote, I really do. She got a nice little boost of respect from me in the last few weeks, but I doubt it can do much to erase everything that she's done, and said.

Gabbard on the other hand, I've already donated to her campaign and she has my full support. I don't meet her eye to eye with all of her ideas, but what politician matches 100% with their bases own standards.

Myself, I don't I've ever voted 3rd party in my entire life. Hell, I was a life long democrat up until 2016. So I guess it's just not in the cards for me to do so. I'll vote republican again this time around if the DNC does something fishy again, and with the way Gabbard is being smeared by her own side right now. Makes me believe something is going on in the mix. I was batting for Yang as well earlier this year, but he was muscled out, and he's been slowly getting cheated out by the left as well.

I guess we'll just need to see how the dice fall.

 

[Oborosen]

I know whom I won't vote for. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and won't vote for him in 2020. But that doesn't automatically mean I'll vote for the Democratic candidate. That depends on whom that candidate is. I really disdained both major party candidates in 2016 and voted third party, to officially register that disdain against both. I have no qualms in voting third party again in 2020 depending on who is the Democratic candidate.

Booker, Warren, Sanders and Harris are four that would drive me go the third party route. Biden, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar would definitely get my vote. The rest, I don't know enough about.

Biden I can somewhat see. He won't get my vote after what happened with Obama's first term. But I can see why people would be willing to have him in the Whitehouse. He's nothing if not a safe bet, but he's also still got the experience that readily puts more than half of the other runners to shame.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you think about the current runners bashing much of what was Obamas policies recently?

I mean Biden has come out about it, so it's even kind of weird for me to see just how far left the democrats are willing to go to send a message.

 

[Redress]

I absolutely despise Biden, and even I'd hold my nose to vote for his painfully dumb, bumbling 90s neo-liberal moderate Republican DINO ass over Trump, just as I voted for Hillary.

Do you want a cookie?

 

[Surrealistik]

Do you want a cookie?

No, but I think you should seriously consider maturing on the issue rather than table flipping like some petulant child in the event Bernie wins, as I'm sure you'd probably be among the very first to insist I vote for Biden despite my complete disgust for him.

But hey, if not, well then fair enough. Vote your conscience if you like; at least you can do it without being a hypocrite, much as I might disagree.

 

[Oborosen]

Really?
The election is 15 months away.
Ask me again on November 1, 2020.

I was going to wait for it to be just a year off, but the debates were gearing up, and I wanted to get a consensus while all of the players were mostly on the field.

Though your post does give me an idea about posting another poll for about four months out.

 

[Oborosen]

Do you want a cookie?

Wow, I don't think I could've even done as such. Come a week before the lection I was sickened that Bernie was out of the race, frankly because I'd actually supported his run in the states. So my investment was generating it's own bias, but Hillary. I don't think I could've done it.
Even if Trump was what the left keep saying about him, I don't think I could do so.

I mean kudos for sticking to your guns at least. Because I can still respect that.

 

[Moon]

I fully expect that the caliber of candidates in 2020 will be no better than in 2016, so as it stands right now I’ll vote the same as before, None of the Above. I’ll focus more on state and local races.

 

[Redress]

No, but I think you should seriously consider maturing on the issue rather than table flipping like some petulant child in the event Bernie wins, as I'm sure you'd probably be among the very first to insist I vote for Biden despite my complete disgust for him.

But hey, if not, well then fair enough. Vote your conscience if you like; at least you can do it without being a hypocrite, much as I might disagree.

I was not aware that a reasoned decision based on what I feel is best for this country is being a petulant child. Maybe you have an odd definition of the phrase not in common usage?

I do not tell people how to vote or how they should vote.

 

[Surrealistik]

I was not aware that a reasoned decision based on what I feel is best for this country is being a petulant child. Maybe you have an odd definition of the phrase not in common usage?

I do not tell people how to vote or how they should vote.

Then I have no problem with you.

 

[Helix]

So I'm completely fine in saying that about 90% of the people running as sex offenders are democrats. That is if I'm allowed to play by such broadly slung rules as well?

Chancellor Squirrelhead's approval rating among Republicans is ninety percent.

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

given this, i will be treating any Republican candidate as a Tweety cultist, and will vote against him or her.

 

[Nap]

I doubt Tulsi wins the nomination so most likely Libertarian for me.

 

[Oborosen]

Chancellor Squirrelhead's approval rating among Republicans is ninety percent.

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

given this, i will be treating any Republican candidate as a Tweety cultist, and will vote against him or her.

So that doesn't actually mean anything negative. It just means that you don't like that they agree with him, and that's it.

So I can still just use such arbitrary rules as to say almost whatever I want about a politician, while using that same logic to say it must mean something bad.

 

[Oborosen]

I doubt Tulsi wins the nomination so most likely Libertarian for me.

She's already being painted as the far-right democrat. So yeah, they're really trying to screw her over.

 

[haymarket]

Which is explains why so many are currently against the majority of the democrats.
The racist policies, the sexist policies, the homophobic policies, and routinely behaving like sex offenders in most cases.

Pretty much explains it all...

Yes, the Trump administration has given us far too much of those terrible things like sexism and routinely behaving like sex offenders. You left out the racism however.

 

[Helix]

So that doesn't actually mean anything negative. It just means that you don't like that they agree with him, and that's it.

So I can still just use such arbitrary rules as to say almost whatever I want about a politician, while using that same logic to say it must mean something bad.

I backed up my claim, and I look forward to voting against Tweety cultists in 2020.

 

[Perotista]

Biden I can somewhat see. He won't get my vote after what happened with Obama's first term. But I can see why people would be willing to have him in the Whitehouse. He's nothing if not a safe bet, but he's also still got the experience that readily puts more than half of the other runners to shame.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you think about the current runners bashing much of what was Obamas policies recently?

I mean Biden has come out about it, so it's even kind of weird for me to see just how far left the democrats are willing to go to send a message.

I don't think the likes of Sanders, Warren, Harris are bashing Obama so much as the ACA and healthcare in general. But it does leave the bashing of Obama perspective in quite a lot of folks minds. I imagine those three were all for single payer, government run healthcare back in 2009 and 2010 when the ACA was first passed. I don't think they changed their stripes. For them the ACA was just the first step to total government run healthcare.

When you throw in reparations, free college and forgiveness of all student debt, among other things it shows in my opinion how extreme left those three are. Biden, I think quite a lot of Democrats, independents also, he epitomizes a kind of steady, reliable leadership which we don't have with Trump. I don't think a lot of voters want all these new bold ideas, more chaos so to speak, but someone to maintain basically the status quo with a quiet leadership. Biden seems to be the one to provide that.

The question in my mind is that in the Democrat primaries it is those hard core far leftist that are energized to vote which could result in a Sanders, Warren or Harris receiving the nomination which in my opinion again, would let Trump back into the game. A lot of independents don't like Trump, but most of that dislike is because of his obnoxcious personality, his very unpresidential behavior, he's a very easy man to dislike. Policy wise, independents are fairly split. For some, against some. It's Trump's brash, uncouthness that turns off quite a lot of independents.

An far left candidate very well could over ride Trump's persona problems. My two cents.