Debunking the Myth of Muslim Only Zones in Europe

[TheDemSocialist]

The belief that large neighborhoods or entire towns and cities have been effectively placed outside local rule of law is in no way new: variations of the rumor have circulated since the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001, but the rumor received both heightened attention and increased saturation after a controversial Fox News segment on 11 January 2015.

In the course of that segment, Fox News host Jeanine Pirro spoke with self-styled terrorism expert Steve Emerson:

Emerson began his set of remarks by claiming a number of Muslim no-go zones existed in areas of the U.S., England, France, and other western countries. According to Emerson, "Sharia law" essentially overrode the laws of the countries in which said zones were located, and local police avoided interceding in the affected areas:
Emerson continued by insinuating authorities in areas as France and the UK denied the existence of no-go zones in their countries and claimed the entire city of Birmingham, England, was one such example of a no-go zone in which "non-Muslim" residents were not permitted:

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Well this has been the latest right wing fixation the last couple days. These supposed "no go zones" the biggest outlet to have picked it up and spread it like wildfire was of course FOX. Well it turns out its a complete lie. A utter lie made up by a right wing conspiracy theorist, Daniel Pipes in 2006, and then that spread all around the InfoWars crowd, and now is being picked up far the far right in America and the UK.

 

[Declan]

The residents of Birmingham had some pretty funny tweets flying around about this report.

 

[KevinKohler]

Here's the problem. You have schools in france where in kids don't understand the very nature of free speech. How then, are they to cope in a society that purports to supprt the ideas of rree speech?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

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Well this has been the latest right wing fixation the last couple days. These supposed "no go zones" the biggest outlet to have picked it up and spread it like wildfire was of course FOX. Well it turns out its a complete lie. A utter lie made up by a right wing conspiracy theorist, Daniel Pipes in 2006, and then that spread all around the InfoWars crowd, and now is being picked up far the far right in America and the UK.

No they exist, and you denial of this fact does not change this.

 

[Jetboogieman]

No they exist, and you denial of this fact does not change this.

I see you've come with no proof of your claim.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

No they exist, and you denial of this fact does not change this.

Dude, are you serious? :lol:

Gee, no one told me when I was staying around Birmingham. The evil Muslims must be pretty poor at patroling their city borders. I came in on a plain old national coach on a plain old highway. Not terribly stealthy.

I can't honestly believe anyone buys this crap.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

No they exist, and you denial of this fact does not change this.

Based off?????

 

[Jetboogieman]

Dude, are you serious? :lol:

Gee, no one told me when I was staying around Birmingham. The evil Muslims must be pretty poor at patroling their city borders. I came in on a plain old national coach on a plain old highway. Not terribly stealthy.

I can't honestly believe anyone buys this crap.

The islamaphobes will continue their crap but having said that Birmingham is a bit of a ****hole though. :2razz:

Never went myself just passed by, Urban Sprawl.

England is at its best in Southern Coastal Towns where I lived.

 

[Arcana XV]

LOL. I've been trying to explain this for years in the Europe forum, but have been repeatedly told I don't know what I'm talking about because Jihadwatch told them so.

Honestly, there are just as many, if not more such places I avoid going to in the US than in Europe. They're not no-go zones, they're simply places where crime and poverty go hand in hand. In some countries those areas happen to be populated primarily by immigrants, not necessarily Muslim, and run over by gangs. Not all that different from some US places I stay far away from.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Read more @: Debunking the Myth of Muslim Only Zones in Europe

Well this has been the latest right wing fixation the last couple days. These supposed "no go zones" the biggest outlet to have picked it up and spread it like wildfire was of course FOX. Well it turns out its a complete lie. A utter lie made up by a right wing conspiracy theorist, Daniel Pipes in 2006, and then that spread all around the InfoWars crowd, and now is being picked up far the far right in America and the UK.

There are indeed bad neighborhoods and ethnic enclaves in manny areas that are often hostile to police and unwary visitors. The fact that Birmingham, UK is not among them was "totally" debunked. From your link:

A few [Zones Urbaines Sensibles] are truly no-go zones, while most are just areas where the government is focusing more development and police require special procedures to operate. A few (NOT ALL of the 751 ZUS, as falsely reported in "anti-jihadist blogs") of these zones, primarily around Paris, are under control of radical Islamists.

[Some] confound the idea in France of a special economic zone with the problem of the cités, that is, regions in the urban periphery of French cities, that are populated by an underclass consisting largely of immigrants from Muslim countries. Comparable to the "projects" in the United States or "housing estates" in Great Britain, the relationship between the inhabitants of the cités and the police is often adversarial. For example, in a form of protest that has become a sort of annual tradition, 940 cars were set on fire this past New Year's Eve, primarily in the vicinity of the cités. Most French people would consider that police authority is, at best, tenuous in the cités and the police exercise extreme caution performing their duties there. As police would in the US in housing projects, or, these days, in Ferguson, Missouri.

French law applies everywhere in France, including the cités, whatever practical obstacles may exist to its application.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

There are indeed bad neighborhoods and ethnic enclaves in manny areas that are often hostile to police and unwary visitors. The fact that Birmingham, UK is not among them was "totally" debunked. From your link:

"
French law applies everywhere in France, including the cités, whatever practical obstacles may exist to its application.


While large populations of Muslim residents inhabit cities and towns affected by the rumor (and may adhere to religious custom in large numbers), no areas of England, France, or the United States currently allow the laws of any religion to override their own laws. Areas designated as ZUS in France are not exempted from policing or French law, and are simply targeted for renewal initiatives. Likewise, residents of Dearborn and Hancock are not exempt from state or local law, regardless of the religion to which they adhere. "

 

[Erod]

France?

Don't you mean Western Turkey?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Read more @: Debunking the Myth of Muslim Only Zones in Europe

Well this has been the latest right wing fixation the last couple days. These supposed "no go zones" the biggest outlet to have picked it up and spread it like wildfire was of course FOX. Well it turns out its a complete lie. A utter lie made up by a right wing conspiracy theorist, Daniel Pipes in 2006, and then that spread all around the InfoWars crowd, and now is being picked up far the far right in America and the UK.

this is kinda interesting:

 

[TheDemSocialist]

this is kinda interesting:

:roll: This video again? It doesnt even have anything to do with the topic at hand but this video is completely out of context and has been debunked several times..
Lets watch the original edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

"1. The United West video (see here) and many of the reports on this incident either claim or insinuate that the police did nothing to stop the kids from throwing trash at Ruben and his friends.
However, in the unedited video, you can see the police intervene once, twice (note the police dragging a kid off at this point—something none of the articles mention), thrice, fourse [sic] (note that this appears to be another arrest or citation? Again, never mentioned in any of the reports I listed), and I’m not going to bother looking for more examples.
Bottom line: The video lies/misrepresents the truth and each of these reports, either in ignorance (in which case they are examples of bad journalism) or knowingly repeats this lie or fails to challenge it (in the case of The Blaze).
2. Muslim adults repeatedly work to calm down and stop the kids from yelling and throwing trash. In fact, one, an apparently Muslim man stands in front of the Christians, protecting them from the angry crowd. Does this mean Islam is a religion of peace? Nope, it just means that this man (as well as many others in the video) wanted to prevent violence from happening. Does the fact that the “mob” of kids threw trash and possibly a piece of concrete mean that Islam is a religion of violence? Nope, it just means that some kids got offended and angry.
If we want to discuss whether or not Islam is inherently violent, we need to look for evidence elsewhere.
3. The video edits out the part where Ruben Israel explains to a police officer that they have a pig head on a pole because Muslims are “petrified” of pigs and so it “keeps them at bay.” No really. He says that. Can you understand now why a group of Arab kids might feel threatened by these predominately white Christians coming to their cultural festival to shout at them that they are going to hell and that their religion is a lie? Get a bunch of kids together, mock their beliefs, try to ward them away with a pig head on a stick, yell at them, and no matter what religion they are, don’t be surprised if they start throwing trash. That doesn’t in any way justify their action, but it does explain it."

Muslims Stoning Christians in Michigan? Not quite

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

:roll: This video again? It doesnt even have anything to do with the topic at hand but this video is completely out of context and has been debunked several times..
Lets watch the original edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

"1. The United West video (see here) and many of the reports on this incident either claim or insinuate that the police did nothing to stop the kids from throwing trash at Ruben and his friends.
However, in the unedited video, you can see the police intervene once, twice (note the police dragging a kid off at this point—something none of the articles mention), thrice, fourse [sic] (note that this appears to be another arrest or citation? Again, never mentioned in any of the reports I listed), and I’m not going to bother looking for more examples.
Bottom line: The video lies/misrepresents the truth and each of these reports, either in ignorance (in which case they are examples of bad journalism) or knowingly repeats this lie or fails to challenge it (in the case of The Blaze).
2. Muslim adults repeatedly work to calm down and stop the kids from yelling and throwing trash. In fact, one, an apparently Muslim man stands in front of the Christians, protecting them from the angry crowd. Does this mean Islam is a religion of peace? Nope, it just means that this man (as well as many others in the video) wanted to prevent violence from happening. Does the fact that the “mob” of kids threw trash and possibly a piece of concrete mean that Islam is a religion of violence? Nope, it just means that some kids got offended and angry.
If we want to discuss whether or not Islam is inherently violent, we need to look for evidence elsewhere.
3. The video edits out the part where Ruben Israel explains to a police officer that they have a pig head on a pole because Muslims are “petrified” of pigs and so it “keeps them at bay.” No really. He says that. Can you understand now why a group of Arab kids might feel threatened by these predominately white Christians coming to their cultural festival to shout at them that they are going to hell and that their religion is a lie? Get a bunch of kids together, mock their beliefs, try to ward them away with a pig head on a stick, yell at them, and no matter what religion they are, don’t be surprised if they start throwing trash. That doesn’t in any way justify their action, but it does explain it."

Muslims Stoning Christians in Michigan? Not quite

I dunno man, it doesn't seem like a festival you or I'd do well in.


I saw in your positions that you are ANTIFA, why then is this sort of religious fascism ok?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I dunno man, it doesn't seem like a festival you or I'd do well in.

I think I would do fine. Id just ignore both groups.
Id ignore the Christian nut jobs there just to agitate a bunch of teenagers and kids, by telling them that their religion is a lie, telling them they are going to hell, and to get out of their country. So yea id ignore them, then I would also ignore a group of kids that got angered by them. So yea. I would ignore both of them and enjoy the festival. I think id do fine.

I saw in your positions that you are ANTIFA, why then is this sort of religious fascism ok?

Which one? The group of kids throwing stuff or the other group telling them they are all going to hell and to leave their country? I mean if anything you have a case of religions being religions bashing on eacother. If this is some way for me to justify some form of fascism by showing an example of angry TEENAGERS and CHILDREN throwing **** at fundamentalists then you need to move along.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I think I would do fine. Id just ignore both groups.
Id ignore the Christian nut jobs there just to agitate a bunch of teenagers and kids, by telling them that their religion is a lie, telling them they are going to hell, and to get out of their country. So yea id ignore them, then I would also ignore a group of kids that got angered by them. So yea. I would ignore both of them and enjoy the festival. I think id do fine.

I admit I didn't watch the whole video, can you tell me where at what point they start shouting that they are going to hell and all that?

Which one? The group of kids throwing stuff or the other group telling them they are all going to hell and to leave their country? I mean if anything you have a case of religions being religions bashing on eacother. If this is some way for me to justify some form of fascism by showing an example of angry TEENAGERS and CHILDREN throwing **** at fundamentalists then you need to move along.

These the same guys?

CHRISTIANS WIN BIG LAWSUIT AGAINST MUSLIM THUGS IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN! |


Judge disagrees with you. Besides ANTIFA has acted on WAY less evidence in the past and often as fascist as those they rally against, it's entertaining to watch....

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I admit I didn't watch the whole video, can you tell me where at what point they start shouting that they are going to hell and all that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7LTmLThIgw
"One day your gonna go straight to hell you little dirtbag" (How "Christian" I bet they werent there to agitate at all with that kind of language and their pig head on a stake). "You wicked bunch of people" (now we are sounding like the Westboro Baptist Church)

These the same guys?

CHRISTIANS WIN BIG LAWSUIT AGAINST MUSLIM THUGS IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN! |

Nope.

Judge disagrees with you. Besides ANTIFA has acted on WAY less evidence in the past and often as fascist as those they rally against, it's entertaining to watch....

Its not the same people... The video you originally linked is about Ruben Israel a notorious street preacher that travels the country taunting other religions. Pretty much another version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7LTmLThIgw
"One day your gonna go straight to hell you little dirtbag" (How "Christian" I bet they werent there to agitate at all with that kind of language and their pig head on a stake). "You wicked bunch of people" (now we are sounding like the Westboro Baptist Church)

lol, ok, I'd throw bottles at them too. didn't see that one.,

Nope.


Its not the same people... The video you originally linked is about Ruben Israel a notorious street preacher that travels the country taunting other religions. Pretty much another version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I concede this.


Now let's explore this other one. is it more of the same or is it an example of intolerance?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Back to the topic though.


What are your thoughts on this one? I see CNN so I think I'm safe.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

This guy seems like a bit of a rabble rouser but they approached him. no?

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

This guy seems like a bit of a rabble rouser but they approached him. no?

Yeah, pretty sure that guy's made himself a reputation.

As he's talking about how whites are unwelcome and they'd be jump on the street, there's white people all over the place, milling around amongst the Muslims, and no one seems to give a crap. Apparently the Muslims there just didn't get the memo that they're supposed to jump white people?

The guy who came up to the care knew who he was, seemed to have been able to hear what he was saying, and then the guy in the car proceeded to call him a pedophile and a bunch of other stuff.

While taking a whack is a bit classless, I've seen people do it for less.

This proves nothing to me other than ****-stirrers get what they ask for.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Yeah, pretty sure that guy's made himself a reputation.

As he's talking about how whites are unwelcome and they'd be jump on the street, there's white people all over the place, milling around amongst the Muslims, and no one seems to give a crap. Apparently the Muslims there just didn't get the memo that they're supposed to jump white people?

The guy who came up to the care knew who he was, seemed to have been able to hear what he was saying, and then the guy in the car proceeded to call him a pedophile and a bunch of other stuff.

While taking a whack is a bit classless, I've seen people do it for less.

This proves nothing to me other than ****-stirrers get what they ask for.

How about the other video?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Now let's explore this other one. is it more of the same or is it an example of intolerance?

Intolerance? I dont know about that. It seemed to be security and the police moving him away not a angry group of muslims. Restrictions to his freedom of association and speech? Yes.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Intolerance? I dont know about that. It seemed to be security and the police moving him away not a angry group of muslims. Restrictions to his freedom of association and speech? Yes.

Security and police? listen again as to the reasons these folks are asked to leave the area.


Would you say the same thing if the BNP was saying this to ethnic minorities in an area around them?