KidRocks
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cnredd said:Congrats...you've made this point...
The administration doesn't have 100% agreement from all of its members.
Care to tell me a government in all of history that did?
KidRocks said:No, I wouldn't, that is not the point here as you well know.
The point here is that this was no simple disagreement, the point here is that President Bush ignored many red flags when considering his attack on Iraq. The point here is that 1800 of our brave troops lives have been sacrificed intentionally and woefully by a Republican administration with negligence and malice.
I congratulate you for once again resorting to belittling and demeaning our braves troops deaths as a simple "disagreement" because you made my point in case!
I see no reason to believe that our soldiers are amoral, criminal, thugs as you seem to imply. The service members I've met have all been sensible folks not at all prone to acts of murder.cnredd said:Close your eyes and imagine this...You & I are in the middle of a circle of US soldiers...I show them everything I've ever posted in this forum...you show them your posts...
Whose getting out of that circle alive?
I'll tell your family you'll be a "little" late for dinner...
Simon W. Moon said:I see no reason to believe that our soldiers are amoral, criminal, thugs as you seem to imply. The service members I've met have all been sensible folks not at all prone to acts of murder.
Navy Pride said:What part of this do you Liberals not understand? We are in Iraq now...Whether we should have gone is irrelevant..........We need to finish the job and not cut and run like you want to do and that is what this president will do.......
Get over it..............
Navy Pride said:What part of this do you Liberals not understand? We are in Iraq now...Whether we should have gone is irrelevant..........We need to finish the job and not cut and run like you want to do and that is what this president will do.......
Get over it..............
Well, I found it surprising so I re-read it.cnredd said:There is no implication of that whatsoever, and I'm surprised that you would think otherwise when you've known me this long.
AllAmericanRageJunky said:Ah yes that's the ticket. Lets all just ignore the downing street memo, lets just forget about the fact that the intelligence was built around a preexisting policy. Because after all what's in the past is in the past and we should all move on with our lives.
I am so tired of you conservatives trying to silence the dissent over an administration which has lied by saying "well we're there now so lets all just shut up". Don't you get that it is worth talking about? And do you not understand that we can continue fighting in Iraq while examining the somewhat shady business the government was up to before the invasion?
Simon W. Moon said:Well, I found it surprising so I re-read it.
Navy Pride said:So is it your answer to cut and run like we did in Nam which would mean 1800 men died for nothing?
vergiss said:Well, then I suppose since the Holocaust has been and past, whether or not it should have happened is irrelevant, too.
Since when did CNN become a independent news. The last time I checked it was never! Also you failed to mention that the National Geographic Channel is doing a show on what happened on 9/11. As for CNN, they can read my "few details about yourself" in my User CP! :mrgreen:KidRocks said:And that about summarizes President Bush's intelligence plan on attacking Iraq. About 1800+ of our troops are dead, and now we have another witness testifying President Bush was wrong... dead wrong!
But that still doesn't stop President Bush from declaring that he was right all along.
Good God, what will it take for America to wake up? :roll:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/index.html
(CNN) -- A former top aide to Colin Powell says his involvement in the former secretary of state's presentation to the United Nations on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was "the lowest point" in his life.
"I wish I had not been involved in it," says Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a longtime Powell adviser who served as his chief of staff from 2002 through 2005. "I look back on it, and I still say it was the lowest point in my life."
Wilkerson is one of several insiders interviewed for the CNN Presents documentary "Dead Wrong -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown." The program, which airs Sunday at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET, pieces together the events leading up to the mistaken WMD intelligence that was presented to the public. A presidential commission that investigated the pre-war WMD intelligence found much of it to be "dead wrong."
Powell's speech, delivered on February 5, 2003, made the case for the war by presenting U.S. intelligence that purported to prove that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Wilkerson says the information in Powell's presentation initially came from a document he described as "sort of a Chinese menu" that was provided by the White House.
AllAmericanRageJunky said:when did I say anything about running? And you seem to have not responded to my post, rather you have continued trying to equate examining the intelligence debacle with completely abandoning Iraq. So are you gonna get on that any time soon?
galenrox said:This example is pertinent, considering that it goes by your logic. Your logic is essentially we're in there, so don't worry about why, and that logic would apply to the holocaust, it's over, so why worry about it happening or why it happened. So if you wish to defend your logic, do so, but failing to respond is essentially admitting that your logic is ridiculous.
galenrox said:This example is pertinent, considering that it goes by your logic. Your logic is essentially we're in there, so don't worry about why, and that logic would apply to the holocaust, it's over, so why worry about it happening or why it happened. So if you wish to defend your logic, do so, but failing to respond is essentially admitting that your logic is ridiculous.
galenrox said:Excuse me, but please don't assume what I want.
You know full well that you are oversimplifying this situation. War is never this simple. If we leave, yes, it will all have been pointless, but if we stay and we don't win, then 2,000 may die in vain, or 3,000, or 4,000. In business there's a term called deadweight loss, it's where you have to come to terms with when you're losing, and try to minimize the loss. If we can win this, fine, but if we can't, as it seems now, then we need to get out before more American sons and daughters die pointlessly.
galenrox said:Excuse me, but please don't assume what I want.
You know full well that you are oversimplifying this situation. War is never this simple. If we leave, yes, it will all have been pointless, but if we stay and we don't win, then 2,000 may die in vain, or 3,000, or 4,000. In business there's a term called deadweight loss, it's where you have to come to terms with when you're losing, and try to minimize the loss. If we can win this, fine, but if we can't, as it seems now, then we need to get out before more American sons and daughters die pointlessly.
Navy Pride said:No, I am for backing the commander in chief and I roops and their mission.....Cutting and run like you want would only mean that 1800 brave men and wome died in vain.........
Navy Pride said:Sadly men and women die in war...No one like that fact...........But if we leave then the 1800 men and women who have died would have died in vain and many Iraqis will be murdered by the terrorists...........We made that mistake in Nam and thank Gode we have a president that will not mkae the same mistake.............
You probably did not know that on D Day in WW2 we lost 6,000 men.......I don't think anyone thought these men died in vain.......
You write this to someone else earlier...galenrox said:What you need to remember is that as an American citizen it isn't only our right, it's our responsibility to criticize the president when we feel his actions aren't in the best interest of us or in the best interest of America as a whole.
And have been thinking this long before Bush showd up...galenrox said:And the fact that there are dissenters are helping us in the long run. I've met a lot of people from other countries, and they always end up saying "It's so great to know that there are people like me and other people who are anti-war" cause I don't know if you know this, but the rest of the world thinks that we're just a bunch of dumb jock hicks.
Can you show me someplace where a non-American says "At least they're not hypocritical"...It doesn't need to be that specific quote...I'm a prick, but not that much of a prick(No comments!)galenrox said:And showing our dissent sends a message that we aren't hypocrites. We say we're going there to spread freedom, but if we all were like "Yeah, go war!!!", who the **** would honestly believe that over 200 million people agree with this ****ing thing? They'd assume we're jackass hypocrites who claim to be spreading freedom when we don't actually have freedom ourselves.
galenrox said:These excuses about why we're failing in Iraq don't cut it. We are failing because it was a stupid plan and a stupid war. I really doubt there is a single insurgent who is basing whether or not they are gonna blow themselves up on what I have to say about the war.
Navy Pride said:We elect people to represent us in the Congress and for the presidency.....Those people agreed on removing Saddam from power........If you don't like their decisions vote them out of office.....
As far as the intelligence goes everyone including the UN thought Saddam had WOMD.....Just because we did not find them does not mean he did not have them..........Iraq is the size of California and a WOMD could be the size of a Vail of smallpox that could fit in your hand......They could be buried in the desert or moved to Syria......
Now answer my question.......What would you do now?
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