FreeMason said:I had emailed an old professor of Political Science of mine (public policy, holocaust and genocide, and Strategic Warfare are his main fields) what the options are for the US should Russia elect a Communist President and they begin to roll-back reforms.
His response was very interesting, and I think it diserves full study.
A resurgent Russia is a certainty, whether with a communist, czarist, fascist or otherwise authoritarian government. A communist Russia would be just a slight move to the Left of where it is now. Putin was always a commie and now he is imprisoning marketeers. The privatization that Russia attempted meant only that industry would be owned separately by government officials rather than collectively by the government. It hardly ever changed. It was not realprivatization was we saw in Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Our fear should come from the increase number of joint Russian-Chinese military operations of the past two years. They are rattling swords just when our sword is being used to cut someone else.
We should just attack now and have done with it.
FreeMason said:I had emailed an old professor of Political Science of mine (public policy, holocaust and genocide, and Strategic Warfare are his main fields) what the options are for the US should Russia elect a Communist President and they begin to roll-back reforms.
His response was very interesting, and I think it diserves full study.
A resurgent Russia is a certainty, whether with a communist, czarist, fascist or otherwise authoritarian government. A communist Russia would be just a slight move to the Left of where it is now. Putin was always a commie and now he is imprisoning marketeers. The privatization that Russia attempted meant only that industry would be owned separately by government officials rather than collectively by the government. It hardly ever changed. It was not realprivatization was we saw in Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Our fear should come from the increase number of joint Russian-Chinese military operations of the past two years. They are rattling swords just when our sword is being used to cut someone else.
We should just attack now and have done with it.
FreeMason said:Had we listend to Patton in 1945, we would never have had the cold war.
FreeMason said:Putin was always a commie and now he is imprisoning marketeers. [/i]
Comrade Brian said:Putin is not. Try finding one that supports him. One is not a commie because one imprisons marketeers.
Comrade Brian said:Huh? Could you be more clearer please?
128shot said:unless I'm mistaken, you were saying he imprisoned marketeers because they didn't like him no?
FreeMason said:Garza, I can say from my own experience that your claims are entirely baseless.
The only way China will ever have any power is if they side with the US or with Russia, because China cannot feed themselves, nor can they survive without economic support (i.e. people buying their crap) nor do they have a sufficient Nuclear Arsenal to be considered a Super Power.
China's internal problems rule out any possibility of Super Power status.
Furthermore, the rest of the world has no cultural history with China, whereas they do have a cultural history with the West, and with Russia.
This effectively ruins Chinas diplomatic power abroad on an "alliance" scale.
Russia was able to gain minimal support by the export of ideology, but in the end, Russia's sphere of influence was where they had the most cultural influence, and America's sphere of influence was where they had the most cultural influence.
China has almost no cultural influence abroad, and China, Japan, and Korea all are opposed to eachother, culturally, economically, and militarily.
This again, makes China a bad case for "Super Power".
But, Russia can use China, and China can benefit from this.
China has a well developed industrial base, and a large work-force.
Russia has a lot of technology, and a lot of regional power (China controls almost nothing of their neighbors, Russia virtually owns their neighbors and influences nations even further away).
Russia has a massive and well developed Nuclear Arsenal.
Anyway, that's a brief reason as to why China will not be a Super Power, but will be a great complimentary to such.
And conserning the "attack now", this is not a blatantly ignorant statement.
Had we listend to Patton in 1945, we would never have had the cold war.
Now, if we would be more forceful, we will prevent a coming cold war, which seems inevitable. And thus brings me to the last poster, why is it our business?
For the same reasons what the Soviet Union was doing was our business, and the same reasons what Japan and Nazi Germany were doing was our business.
FreeMason said:Oh ****ing damn it what the **** went wrong?
Sorry Kelzie, I wrote you a detailed response that basically went over how almost all your points are wrong.
Especially the Nuclear arsenals beliefs you were spouting
I'll give you the resources I was drawing from, but I will not re-write this.
**** dick-headed Forum, I was logged in and then suddenly I wasn't?
Resources
http://www.cdi.org/news/nuclear/nuclear-arsenals.pdf
Hutchinson's Clash of Civilizations
Стратегическое ядерное вооружение России (Only a russian source, detailing the Russian Nuclear Programs)
FreeMason said:Yeah I realized my error on his name too late.
Doesn't matter.
I do want to apologize again about not actually giving you the substance of my post, but it was long, and actually thought-out, so I'm not interested in putting the effort forward again.
The largest thing I wanted to direct you to was the online source which is a detailed but brief analysis of the world's Nuclear Arsenals. So you know where China really falls.
Kelzie said:I don't really see where I was wrong. It said 400, I said several hundred. What are you trying to say?
FreeMason said:Yeah, in the post that didn't make it I explained.
So they have Nuclear Warheads.
But their ICBMs and SLBMs total only to a number of ... 32.
All of them are single capacity, so they are not MRVs, thus, they can shoot exactly 32 of their 400 Nuclear bombs at us.
12 are SLBM and thus rely on the ability to actually reach within 1,000km of US shoreline...in which case they cannot hit our ICBM facilities (not that they'd have the accuracy anyway, no SLBM missile does, since if fired correctly, they will not have any accurate data to within 15 meters on point of launch).
Bombers are not a threat because their longest ranged bomber cannot even reach the largest city of Alaska.
China is not in the process of actually manufacturing more missiles. Though there's speculation on if they are researching MIRVs or not.
A new missile, the three-stage, solid fuel, mobile DF-31, is the program's mainstay. Its range is estimated at 8,000 kilometers, and its circular error probable (CEP), or accuracy, at 300--600 meters for its single warhead. At maximum range, the DF-31 may be able to hit Hawaii and Alaska, but not the continental United States
FreeMason said:Kelzie, this is why I blew-up at you the first time...do you critically think? You gotta start to break down all the information you gather into pieces so you can see the puzzle...because you just leave them in a big pile.
1) The DF-31(A) is the 8,000 km ranged missile, it's an ICBM, I said the SLBMs have a range of 1,000 km by implying that's how close the subs need to be to our shores, this is true.
2) When tallying ICBMs and SLBMs I tallied only those that are a concern to the US, the 13,000km DF-5/A and the their only SLBM system.
3) Thanks for the CEP data, I didn't have that, that means their missiles are ineffective at attacking our Nuclear forces.
All China can do is kill civilians, we can kill civilians, and defeat their Strategic forces.
Thus if we're willing to have at most a few cities destroyed (it doesn't take 1 Nuke to destroy a city, estimate 4 or 5 to have max effect, from a 1988 or 1984 report I don't have it on me but it's online.) we can easily defeat China.
China knows our only policy against them is total Nuclear response.
Kelzie said:1988? That's kind of a while ago. Almost 20 years. Surely outdated. I said, point blank, that China's nuclear program was nowhere near ours. And you claim I have a problem critically thinking? What do you think I'm saying, exactly?
And I really don't care what reason you have for blowing up. It is not allowed here.
FreeMason said:How is that out-dated?
The entire US Nuclear infrastructure was built in 1967.
The only things that have changed were the guidance systems, which are not much younger.
In human terms, nuclear weapons are enormously destructive. A weapon with a ten-megaton yield can destroy most of the buildings of a modern city
Kelzie said:Just for you and your outdated report:
That's most weapons, as I'm sure you know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bomb#Effects_of_a_nuclear_explosion
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