COVID-19 Lethality Not Much Different Than Flu, Says New Study

[Khayembii Communique]

It's only pointless because it destroys your whole game. The deaths per million in America are grossly inflated because of the methods used here in order to get the money to treat uninsured patients and those people would be illegals, poor and the elderly. If we were honest like otyher countries, our death rate for COVID-19 would be less than half what is shown.

I will PROVE it to all of you when the numbers are in for deaths by heart attacks, stroke and other conditions and it shows a huge drop in those deaths during this time period. For that matter, I expect cities like NYC to show close to ZERO deaths from March 1st on for those conditions. It's all about getting the federal dollars.

It's pointless because your belief about another, vast conspiracy to inflate the death rate has no basis in reality.

 

[Top Cat]

You don't like the study because it goes against your biases.

 

[Paradoxical]

No cherry picking going on there. You're just comparing the hardest his U.S. city to entire countries.... to make a point about how the U.S. (the country - not NYC) is over-counting CV19 deaths....

Solid logic. Dots seem to connect just fine. Write a paper about it. I'm sure it will get published, because who could fault your detailed analysis?

The state that just happens to CLAIM that they have HALF the total deaths from Covid. The state that is teaming with uninsured illegals and deadbeats who now could treated for free anywhere by telling the Doc they think they git Corona Virus.

Why is it that they have twice the deaths per million of ANY other place in the world? Bad doctors?

 

[Paradoxical]

It's pointless because your belief about another, vast conspiracy to inflate the death rate has no basis in reality.

Your typical response when you have none is: conspiracy theory.

 

[JasperL]

The state that just happens to CLAIM that they have HALF the total deaths from Covid. The state that is teaming with uninsured illegals and deadbeats who now could treated for free anywhere by telling the Doc they think they git Corona Virus.

Why is it that they have twice the deaths per million of ANY other place in the world? Bad doctors?

You haven't showed they have twice the deaths per million of any other place in the world. You're comparing city to country. It's a BS comparison. And even if NYC had the highest death rate of any city (which you have not demonstrated) that's still not evidence of fraud or over-counting.

All you've done is the familiar logical fallacy of assuming correlation between two of many contributors to the death rate prove causation. And even your assertion that it's the illegals and uninsured who are causing the fraudulent over counts is BS, because you've not compared the illegal population of any city to NYC, or shown that in general a higher rate of 'illegals' or of the uninsured is even correlated with higher than average death rates from COVID 19. It's a logical bucket of fail from start to finish.

In fact the cities with the highest uninsurance rate are mostly in Texas, and NY as a state has one of the lowest uninsurance rates in the country. NYC finishes in the middle of the pack.

 

[digitusmedius]

You don't like the study because it goes against your biases.



You mean the one you kept quoting a month ago? The report about 2 million dead that didn't come true?

Just posting bigger lies every time you're caught out (which happens to be every one of your comments) isn't really helping your already failed case.

 

[digitusmedius]

The op presented findings from a study and then asked "What do you think?". Immediately the over reactors jump in and assume things that simply don't exist.

Born angry people! Just read and respond to the questions as presented.

A small study of one county which concluded:

The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections.

But which the libertarian rag, "Reason" (har har har) called "good news" when it's definitely not good so much as confirmation of what was already known, i.e., because of the abysmal federal government response (that would be under the direction of your Dear Donnie Dirtbag) in testing nationally--i.e., really no testing--we don't really have a good idea of where the next covid hotspot is going to be. This article would be good news if your Dear Dirtbag was actually paying attention to this and many other such studies that call, no scream for orders of magnitude more screening both for the virus and for people who are already immune. None of that information which is essential to "open up the economy" safely is going to be done, though--again, thanks to Donnie Big Fail Dirtbag.

 

[Paradoxical]

You haven't showed they have twice the deaths per million of any other place in the world. You're comparing city to country. It's a BS comparison. And even if NYC had the highest death rate of any city (which you have not demonstrated) that's still not evidence of fraud or over-counting.

All you've done is the familiar logical fallacy of assuming correlation between two of many contributors to the death rate prove causation. And even your assertion that it's the illegals and uninsured who are causing the fraudulent over counts is BS, because you've not compared the illegal population of any city to NYC, or shown that in general a higher rate of 'illegals' or of the uninsured is even correlated with higher than average death rates from COVID 19. It's a logical bucket of fail from start to finish.

In fact the cities with the highest uninsurance rate are mostly in Texas, and NY as a state has one of the lowest uninsurance rates in the country. NYC finishes in the middle of the pack.

We'll see. Time will tell if they had any people dying this month and last from anything OTHER than COVID-19. Perhaps those bullets and knives had COVID-19 written on them too. I imagine even the car accident victims go like this: "Hey Doc, four illegals are here with extensive injuries from a major car accident.Want them transferred to "County"?
Answer: "Nah. Put them all on ventilators and call me in the morning"

 

[Logician Man]

We'll see. Time will tell if they had any people dying this month and last from anything OTHER than COVID-19. Perhaps those bullets and knives had COVID-19 written on them too. I imagine even the car accident victims go like this: "Hey Doc, four illegals are here with extensive injuries from a major car accident.Want them transferred to "County"?
Answer: "Nah. Put them all on ventilators and call me in the morning"

:roll:

 

[JasperL]

We'll see. Time will tell if they had any people dying this month and last from anything OTHER than COVID-19. Perhaps those bullets and knives had COVID-19 written on them too. I imagine even the car accident victims go like this: "Hey Doc, four illegals are here with extensive injuries from a major car accident.Want them transferred to "County"?
Answer: "Nah. Put them all on ventilators and call me in the morning"

Great, so you're smearing the integrity of the doctors risking their health and that of their family treating sick people in a pandemic. They're just a bunch of lying fraudsters in your view. Nice of you to show the contempt you have for them. It's not a good look, IMO, but at least during the pandemic people's true colors are coming out, so there's that.

BTW, you ignored my comment actually. So you're going with the 'correlation between my cherry picked and bad data that I made up = causation' argument.

 

[Paradoxical]

Great, so you're smearing the integrity of the doctors risking their health and that of their family treating sick people in a pandemic. They're just a bunch of lying fraudsters in your view. Nice of you to show the contempt you have for them. It's not a good look, IMO, but at least during the pandemic people's true colors are coming out, so there's that.

BTW, you ignored my comment actually. So you're going with the 'correlation between my cherry picked and bad data that I made up = causation' argument.

Um, TWICE as many deaths per million as ANY other major city and you think there's nothing going on. If you don't, the you don't know math OR logic.

While there could be TWICE as many infections in one city, the amount of deaths per million in a major highly populated city should be very close. Either that, or the doctors really, really suck and shouldn't be doctors anymore. Oh wait. There is another possibility. ........It has to do with many many people in NYC being uninsured and the hospitals getting $50,000.00 on average when that person has a hint of COVID-19. But it can't be THAT, can it? Give me some other reasons.

 

[JasperL]

Um, TWICE as many deaths per million as ANY other major city and you think there's nothing going on. If you don't, the you don't know math OR logic.

While there could be TWICE as many infections in one city, the amount of deaths per million in a major highly populated city should be very close. Either that, or the doctors really, really suck and shouldn't be doctors anymore. Oh wait. There is another possibility. ........It has to do with many many people in NYC being uninsured and the hospitals getting $50,000.00 on average when that person has a hint of COVID-19. But it can't be THAT, can it? Give me some other reasons.

Keep crapping on those on the front lines of treating this pandemic, and showing your contempt for their hard work and sacrifice. You're showing your true colors like a champion.

 

[Paradoxical]

Keep crapping on those on the front lines of treating this pandemic, and showing your contempt for their hard work and sacrifice. You're showing your true colors like a champion.

Ummm, my wife works at a hospital, so you can quit the posturing and defection. Please explain how one city can have twice the deaths per million as any other city in the world. This is like a hundred teams flipping a coin ten thousand times and 99 of them have results like 5100 heads and 4900 tails or 4950 heads and 5050 tails and that one team that just happens to get a lot more for coming up with heads says

"Oh gee. Go figure, we flipped that penny in the closet and we got 8000 heads and only 2000 tails. I don't know how that happened. <shrug> Please send us our money, though. We wouldn't fib. We are DOCTORS!!

 

[Casper]

We'll see. Time will tell if they had any people dying this month and last from anything OTHER than COVID-19. Perhaps those bullets and knives had COVID-19 written on them too. I imagine even the car accident victims go like this: "Hey Doc, four illegals are here with extensive injuries from a major car accident.Want them transferred to "County"?
Answer: "Nah. Put them all on ventilators and call me in the morning"

Stop push this nonsense, for every else's information , yes deaths are being reported and yes they are reporting the cause of death and guess what there are many reasons reported.
Go peddle your nonsense on the CT secion of this site where it belongs.

 

[JasperL]

Ummm, my wife works at a hospital, so you can quit the posturing and defection. Please explain how one city can have twice the deaths per million as any other city in the world.

LOL, seriously? You're bringing your wife into this discussion as a shield for your dumb theory that smears thousands of healthcare workers on the front lines in NYC? Does she know you're using her that way? :lamo

BTW, all you're doing is a very bad and stupid version of 'God of the Gaps' where you fill in your ignorance about what contributes to a higher death rate in NYC than most other cities with BS allegations of fraud.

It could work like this: Belgium has recorded more than 500 deaths per million, but Finland only 25 deaths per million!! Since I'm nearly completely ignorant about all the relevant facts that might explain this, I'll conclude that it must be FRAuD!!! IN BeLGyM!!! THE DoCtors ArE CROokS!! They're recording every death a cV19 dEATH!! Derp!!

 

[Higgins86]

POS the climate denier who is now just ignoring the thousands of deaths daily in the US.

What a strange place your reality must be.

 

[PoS]

POS the climate denier who is now just ignoring the thousands of deaths daily in the US.

What a strange place your reality must be.

What a pathetic lie. Firstly, I don't deny climate changes. Second, where did I mention about ignoring deaths?

Your post is nothing but slander, but hey thats you.

 

[Paradoxical]

Stop push this nonsense, for every else's information , yes deaths are being reported and yes they are reporting the cause of death and guess what there are many reasons reported.
Go peddle your nonsense on the CT secion of this site where it belongs.

We will see that I am right when we find out the amount of normal deaths that NYC reports during this same time period and then I expect an apology.

 

[Paradoxical]

LOL, seriously? You're bringing your wife into this discussion as a shield for your dumb theory that smears thousands of healthcare workers on the front lines in NYC? Does she know you're using her that way? :lamo

BTW, all you're doing is a very bad and stupid version of 'God of the Gaps' where you fill in your ignorance about what contributes to a higher death rate in NYC than most other cities with BS allegations of fraud.

It could work like this: Belgium has recorded more than 500 deaths per million, but Finland only 25 deaths per million!! Since I'm nearly completely ignorant about all the relevant facts that might explain this, I'll conclude that it must be FRAuD!!! IN BeLGyM!!! THE DoCtors ArE CROokS!! They're recording every death a cV19 dEATH!! Derp!!

Your attempt to divert and deflect and not respond to the facts is noted. I stated in my posts that the comparison is to places of equal population density. But, a math challenged individual wouldn't have a clue as to what I was talking about. Belgium at 500 and NYC over a thousand. Is Belgium like Finland? Derp!

 

[PoS]

Just posting bigger lies every time you're caught out (which happens to be every one of your comments) isn't really helping your already failed case.

More shameful lib slander. Show me where I lied then.

I've outlined the problems with the study, and others have linked to detailed critiques of the statistical analyses in that study. If you want to address the ACTUAL critiques of it, then fine.

Otherwise, this kind of debate is easy enough - YOU only like the study because it confirms YOUR biases. So there!! Mic drop! I win! You lose!

:roll:

You haven't outlined anything but your own blowhard opinion. Show me a link that disputes the Stanford study.

That's a BS argument. If you want to bring up month old posts, have the integrity to quote me, so we can all see exactly what I said. I know your characterization of my comments is BS and dishonest. Are you proud of yourself for not having better than that? I thought libertarians thought of themselves as honest thinkers, at least. Guess not.

Right here. Caught red handed.

I guess you didn't ever read the study, because it did NOT in fact assume zero efforts to mitigate. That finding was presented as the baseline, to show the impact of various mitigation strategies. It's exactly that kind of BS that we liberals spent a week or more debunking, and you're still pushing the same discredited BS. Here's the study: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf Quote it assuming a do nothing strategy if you want.

It was also a wakeup call to idiots everywhere like some in Boris Johnson's government that were seriously considering what was essentially a do-nothing strategy "herd immunity" strategy, that would have 60-80% of the UK infected. Here's an article that was written a day after the UK study was released.

Boris Johnson’s Talk of ‘Herd Immunity’ Raises Alarms

It was after the UK study was released that Johnson et al. changed their tune. Did you forget all that?

 

[year2late]

We will see that I am right when we find out the amount of normal deaths that NYC reports during this same time period and then I expect an apology.

So if covid pushes people with pre-exisiting conditions over the edge....and they die.....it is still a Covid related death.

Sorry. I have shown you how death certificates are filled out.

If you think their is a conspiracy to falsify medical records.....call the appropriate authorities or tweet it to Trump. Perhaps you could transition Trump from a birther to a deather.

 

[Paradoxical]

So if covid pushes people with pre-exisiting conditions over the edge....and they die.....it is still a Covid related death.

Sorry. I have shown you how death certificates are filled out.

If you think their is a conspiracy to falsify medical records.....call the appropriate authorities or tweet it to Trump. Perhaps you could transition Trump from a birther to a deather.

No test results required. All countries do NOT include preexisting conditions and therefore their deaths are lower than America. The only fair way to know who really died from Corona is to see how many LESS people died of "normal" cause. I explained this to all in several posts.

A basic example. NYC would normally have 4500 deaths a month from heart attacks, etc. But, they show 6,000 for the month total this month. 4500 should be deducted from that total. Possibly you were taught new math in school?

 

[snakestretcher]

You don't like the study because it goes against your biases.



You mean the one you kept quoting a month ago? The report about 2 million dead that didn't come true?

That projection was for total deaths over the entire course of the pandemic. A couple of months in and it has barely begun.

 

[BlueTex]

We will see that I am right when we find out the amount of normal deaths that NYC reports during this same time period and then I expect an apology.

NYC is already reporting the number of deaths and that are over twice the normal number. How do you explain these extra deaths?

 

[Paradoxical]

NYC is already reporting the number of deaths and that are over twice the normal number. How do you explain these extra deaths?

Great! All we need to know now is how many less deaths NYC had during the same time period for heart attacks stroke, diabetes, obesity, etc., so we can have a true count.

Very easy math: Total deaths from all causes equals eg. 10,000 less deaths that would be normal (use last year) = 4,500. Balance = 5,500 to be assumed COVID-19

We have to wait for reports of ALL deaths. I expect the "normal" deaths in NYC for this time period will be minimal and I guess you folks will just say that people chose not to die from normal things because of COVID-19.

PS. I hope this helps