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Court orders full restoration of DACA program

Another Federal judge that hasn't read The Constitution. How the hell do these clowns make it out of law school, much less onto the bench. This is a classic example of why Federal judges should have term limits.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/13/court-orders-full-restoration-daca-program/

This judge is ordering this administration to reinstate an Obama executive order?

How does he think he can do that?

Is it wrong for Trump to want the legislature to vote on it?
 
Announcing and end to the program - with no freaking clue what to do next, is why clueless, ego maniacal people like Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Washington DC.

Thank goodness for Federal Judges with enough backbone to do their jobs still exisit. It is obvious that the "spineless" Republicans in Congress don't have enough backbone to stand up for American values and oppose the Trump dictatorial agenda.
 
Another Federal judge that hasn't read The Constitution. How the hell do these clowns make it out of law school, much less onto the bench. This is a classic example of why Federal judges should have term limits.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/13/court-orders-full-restoration-daca-program/

You got your legal degree from where? What exactly in his ruling(you have read it, right?) do you disagree with? Your experience in constitutional law is what? Just crying that people are wrong is not anything close to a compelling argument...
 
:roll: The President doesn't need a reason to end an EO. This judge is full of ****.
 
Announcing and end to the program - with no freaking clue what to do next, is why clueless, ego maniacal people like Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Washington DC.

Thank goodness for Federal Judges with enough backbone to do their jobs still exisit. It is obvious that the "spineless" Republicans in Congress don't have enough backbone to stand up for American values and oppose the Trump dictatorial agenda.

If nothing is being done regarding DACA blame those in Congress. It's their job to have a clue as to what to do about it. It is not the Presidents job to continue an unconstitutional EO.
 
We've heard 'by any means necessary'.

Here's a perfect example of the ideological application of that: 'Damn the Constitution! Damn the separation of powers! Resist by any means necessary!'

Seems like this decision is going to be over ruled.

But what would you expect from a group where bad decisions have no repercussions?
The decision get only worse and worse. There's no feed back mechanism to improve performance and accuracy, such as in the private markets.

Before Obama issued he EO, he acknowledged that he couldn't make law, and he was right. The DACA EO is the executive branch's attempt at making law.

Now, it seems, this federal judge believes that he can make law.
 
:roll: The President doesn't need a reason to end an EO. This judge is full of ****.

While I'm in favor of extending the program at least until congress figures it out I'm with you here.
 
What specifically in that judge's order is unconstitutional?
 
Announcing and end to the program - with no freaking clue what to do next, is why clueless, ego maniacal people like Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Washington DC.

Thank goodness for Federal Judges with enough backbone to do their jobs still exisit. It is obvious that the "spineless" Republicans in Congress don't have enough backbone to stand up for American values and oppose the Trump dictatorial agenda.

You have no idea what the role of the courts is do you.
 
:roll: The President doesn't need a reason to end an EO. This judge is full of ****.

I feel like it's the Constitutional separation of powers being violated here. The president has the ability to enact or rescind executive orders. I don't see how him rescinding one from a past president isn't within presidential authority.
 
If nothing is being done regarding DACA blame those in Congress. It's their job to have a clue as to what to do about it. It is not the Presidents job to continue an unconstitutional EO.

Congress - or at least the Senate had a bipartisan bill that Boehner/Ryan would never allow to be brought up to a vote. Continue to defend Trump if it makes you feel better. Trump's "mindless" agenda of ending DACA - and causing a major uproar in the process - was ONLY done to throw more "red meat" to his very uneducated base. .

Polical "rookies". Gotta luv it.....:)
 
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Another judge just grandstanding ... but not accomplishing anything ... :lol:
 
Announcing and end to the program - with no freaking clue what to do next, is why clueless, ego maniacal people like Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Washington DC.

Thank goodness for Federal Judges with enough backbone to do their jobs still exisit. It is obvious that the "spineless" Republicans in Congress don't have enough backbone to stand up for American values and oppose the Trump dictatorial agenda.

i read the cite and still do not know what legal basis was used to continue a program initiated by presidential executive order, which was ordered ended date specific by the ensuing president

had DACA been created by law, i would understand the reasoning that a president cannot end a legislatively enabled program. but DACA was the product of a presidential executive order. why can the successive president not terminate the executive order of his predecessor
 
Another judge just grandstanding ... but not accomplishing anything ... :lol:

Ah, so now you "Trumpies" are in favor of following the Constitution.....lol

Nice "selective" reasoning.

Just like your ten year crusade for budget reform. Simply total bull****.
 
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i read the cite and still do not know what legal basis was used to continue a program initiated by presidential executive order, which was ordered ended date specific by the ensuing president

had DACA been created by law, i would understand the reasoning that a president cannot end a legislatively enabled program. but DACA was the product of a presidential executive order. why can the successive president not terminate the executive order of his predecessor

Trump made a stupid decision to cancel a program that affectes so many, with no freaking clue as to what to do about it first. If this action causes Trump to start thinking about his idiotic "knee jerk" reactions, then some good may come of it.

I get so sick of these Trump loving morons talking "Constitution" out of both sides of their mouths. These hipocritical phonies had no trouble supporting McConnells bull**** tactic that denied Gardland a hearing for a SCOTUS vacancy that he was more than qualified for. If what the Judge did was wrong, then what McConnell did was wrong as well. Yet, I have yet to see any of them have enough backbone to admit to it.
 
:roll: The President doesn't need a reason to end an EO. This judge is full of ****.

The correct initial response to just about every legal question that could conceivably be asked is "that depends."




The only two areas I see people playing expert without expertise in any regularity are (1) global warming, and (2) law. The former is politicized, the latter necessarily affects everyone. I suppose there are other people playing expert regarding environmental policy generally.

But here's the bottom line: even the vast majority of lawyers will not have a direct simple answer to this. To the extent they might express an opinion worth listening to, it will be through a mixture of reframing, argument, paraphrase of the relevant cases, some quotations, and citations to other cases.

In other words, I know that you don't care what I'm sick of, but I'm ****ing sick to death of watching people without any legal training or experience sound off on what the correct decision was in a case.




This isn't a defense of the ruling. I'd have to read the ruling. I'd have to read the papers filed. I might even need to inspect the record. It takes a tremendous amount of work to produce an answer you can be truly confident in. Maybe it's a terrible order, maybe it's not.

Because I didn't make a claim, I'm not to be called to answer. But you claimed.

:roll: The President doesn't need a reason to end an EO. This judge is full of ****.

I'm not agreeing nor disputing directly, though I am dubious. What controlling precedent are you relying on? If there is none, what's your argument by analogy?



PS: "I read the constitution" is not a legal argument. "The constitution says these words that I'm quoting, and I announce that they mean such-and-such" is not a legal argument. Delve into the caselaw.






Don't want to? Fine. I wouldn't expect it. But what I would love to happen is that anyone who so much as says they give a **** about this stuff to pick a modern appellate court decision. I say modern because more and more stuff is available free online, when before you'd have to pay copies. Get as much as what you can get: appellate briefs, watch the oral argument if any, available free trial court filings, cases (often available online for free through various state/fed government sites now). Read it all. Hundreds of pages, thousands of pages, perhaps tens of thousands.

Seriously.

Read it all. Then think about how sure you can really be that you got the one right answer.
 
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i read the cite and still do not know what legal basis was used to continue a program initiated by presidential executive order, which was ordered ended date specific by the ensuing president

had DACA been created by law, i would understand the reasoning that a president cannot end a legislatively enabled program. but DACA was the product of a presidential executive order. why can the successive president not terminate the executive order of his predecessor

The DACA EO had a fixed ending/resigning date. Trump extended it by a few months. All he has to do is let it expire. Nothing those pompous judges can do about.
 
Where did the judge get the needing two reasons to end an EO from? Or that a predecessor has to have a legal justification at all?


Is he interpreting the laws the way he wishes they were written?
 
Announcing and end to the program - with no freaking clue what to do next, is why clueless, ego maniacal people like Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Washington DC.

Thank goodness for Federal Judges with enough backbone to do their jobs still exisit. It is obvious that the "spineless" Republicans in Congress don't have enough backbone to stand up for American values and oppose the Trump dictatorial agenda.

Judges don't make law. They rule on the law.
 
My thoughts are that when this (along with the other ruling) get to the SC they will overturn it.
 
Announcing and end to the program - with no freaking clue what to do next, is why clueless, ego maniacal people like Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Washington DC.

Thank goodness for Federal Judges with enough backbone to do their jobs still exisit. It is obvious that the "spineless" Republicans in Congress don't have enough backbone to stand up for American values and oppose the Trump dictatorial agenda.

Uhhh...no. I find it eminently and hilariously ironic that you are commenting on anyone being clueless after writing your post. The judge has no authority to rule as he did and the administration should ignore the ruling and carry on as if it was nothing more than a yappy poodle.

It's just so funny that you think a judge can tell one President they have to follow the executive order of another. ****in' priceless.
 
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