Coulter's comments vs. Maher's comments

[aps]

I just heard this and was shocked that people are in such and uproar over what Ann said but no one is saying anything about what Bill said. I think the Democrats should denounce what he said.

LOL You say Coulter does not speak for the Republican party, but somehow Maher speaks for the Democratic party? Yeah right.

Someone tell me what is so wrong about what Maher said. He wasn't wishing death on Cheney. He was pointing out that if Cheney was not in power, less people would be dying. What is so bad about that?

 

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So if Ann had only said....

'We would save more lives if we KILLED John Edwards and the rest of the Democrats.'

....that would have been a comment that "can be subjected to analytical thought" and not an OUTRAGEOUS comment that should not be said???

So you think it is more outrageous to call a politician a "f@gg*t" than to suggest it would be a good thing to have that politician killed?

I really HOPE you are kidding.......

Your analogy is, at a minimum, ridiculous.

 

[jfuh]

So it would not have been as bad if Coulter had said,

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

I mean that is what he said.

No, that would be much worse, because for the simple fact that his death would make no difference to our soldiers in Iraq. Cheny's would.

So saying that things would be better if someone was DEAD isn't all that bad because it can be "argued civilly over"?

When did it become acceptable to say it would be a good thing for an opponent to DIE?

And would you have the same response if in the future a major figure says it would be good if a Democrat leader was killed?

Would it have been better if Johnson instead of JFK was assassinated? I believe so. Happy?

 

[Captain America]

I have to admit that Maher can be just as caustic and Coulter and perhaps even more. But then again, he's a comedian. That goes with a certain licence to the absurd.

The difference is Mahers jabs are based in merit and have substance with a humorous twist.

Coulters comments usually equate to the mentality of a third grade do-do joke and are usually just based in hatred and bigotry. But I would have to say that she is a fitting representative of the hard right conservative.

 

[Just Me 2]

LOL You say Coulter does not speak for the Republican party, but somehow Maher speaks for the Democratic party? Yeah right.

Someone tell me what is so wrong about what Maher said. He wasn't wishing death on Cheney. He was pointing out that if Cheney was not in power, less people would be dying. What is so bad about that?

I guess my sarcasm didn't come through very well.

 

[aps]

I guess my sarcasm didn't come through very well.

Oh, sorry! :3oops: I missed it!

 

[Just Me 2]

Oh, sorry! :3oops: I missed it!

LOL no worries. :2razz:

 

[rivrrat]

The difference is that what Bill Maher says is actually funny.

God I love Bill Maher.

 

[Thelost1]

So it would not have been as bad if Coulter had said,

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

I mean that is what he said.

At least that statement can be debated, calling him a "fag" is just slander.

So saying that things would be better if someone was DEAD isn't all that bad because it can be "argued civilly over"?

When did it become acceptable to say it would be a good thing for an opponent to DIE?

And would you have the same response if in the future a major figure says it would be good if a Democrat leader was killed?

Did I ever say that it was a good thing? No, I said that it had more value than what Coulter said.

 

[Thelost1]

The difference is that what Bill Maher says is actually funny.

God I love Bill Maher.

I don't think that I've ever heard of a pundit who i can stand to listen to for more than five minutes. Everything that they say is (usually baseless) opinion or slander.

 

[jallman]

I don't think that I've ever heard of a pundit who i can stand to listen to for more than five minutes. Everything that they say is (usually baseless) opinion or slander.

Does O'Reilly count as a pundit...because he is typically fair in what he says.

 

[dottedmint]

jfuh;506026]No, that would be much worse, because for the simple fact that his death would make no difference to our soldiers in Iraq. Cheny's would.

I didn't say anything about Iraq.

IF her statement was

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

that could be about anything.

IF she thought that his death or the death of other Dems would save lives in the long run you think there is nothing wrong with suggesting their death would be good for America?

Would it have been better if Johnson instead of JFK was assassinated? I believe so. Happy?

Since that is talking about someone who is already dead it is pointless.

BTW.....

Some people think that the anti-war comments from people like Edwards DOES cost the lives of our soldiers by emboldening the terrorists.

 

[Just Me 2]

Does O'Reilly count as a pundit...because he is typically fair in what he says.

I don't think of him as a pundit, I think he is sorta like a anchor. He doesn't insult on one side over another, he will slam both.

 

[jfuh]

I didn't say anything about Iraq.

IF her statement was

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

that could be about anything.

It's what Maher's comment about Cheny was about. Coulter's was just mindless screaming.

IF she thought that his death or the death of other Democrats would save lives in the long run you think there is nothing wrong with suggesting their death would be good for America?

of course there is, there's 0 basis for the claim, it's pure slander.

Since that is talking about someone who is already dead it is pointless.

Why would it be pointless? All are hypothetical scenarios and I'm basing my scenario on a given.

BTW.....

Some people think that the anti-war comments from people like Edwards DOES cost the lives of our soldiers by emboldening the terrorists.

There needs to be study to attach that though, there's no need to study to attach Cheny with the troops in Iraq, as Maher said, it's a fact.

 

[jallman]

It's what Maher's comment about Cheny was about. Coulter's was just mindless screaming.

of course there is, there's 0 basis for the claim, it's pure slander.

Why would it be pointless? All are hypothetical scenarios and I'm basing my scenario on a given.

There needs to be study to attach that though, there's no need to study to attach Cheny with the troops in Iraq, as Maher said, it's a fact.

Either comment is equally distasteful. I think you are just equivocating at this point...

 

[dottedmint]

It's what Maher's comment about Cheny was about. Coulter's was just mindless screaming.

of course there is, there's 0 basis for the claim, it's pure slander.

Why would it be pointless? All are hypothetical scenarios and I'm basing my scenario on a given.

There needs to be study to attach that though, there's no need to study to attach Cheny with the troops in Iraq, as Maher said, it's a fact.

Interesting "logic".

As I said before there are people who think the anti-war comments are encouraging the terrorists to continue to attack our soldiers.

Using your "logic" it would be just fine for Coulter to have said

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

BTW.... IF Cheney dropped over tonight we would STILL be in Iraq tomorrow. The idea that if Cheney died we would somehow suddenly be out of Iraq is idiotic at best.

How would this be????

"I'm just saying if the pro-choice Dems did die, more unborn babies would live. That's a fact."

Or.....

Would it have been fine if she had not added the "That's a fact." part?

Like this...

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. "

 

[jfuh]

Interesting "logic".

As I said before there are people who think the anti-war comments are encouraging the terrorists to continue to attack our soldiers.

Ppl who think vs a reality that is. Were Cheny gone, there's no little to no doubt of our involvement in Iraq. Edwards? irrelevant.

Using your "logic" it would be just fine for Coulter to have said

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

That's not a fact, In Cheney's case it is a fact.

BTW.... IF Cheney dropped over tonight we would STILL be in Iraq tomorrow. The idea that if Cheney died we would somehow suddenly be out of Iraq is idiotic at best.

That's a highly dishonest representation on what I've stated. My argument was never about the immediate aftermath of Cheney gone, but the overall picture of Cheney not being a part of this administration at all. Him gone would indeed have undeniable positive effects on this war. How much control this VP has came out during the Libby trial. That is what Maher was noting at, and that is also what I'm pointing to too.

How would this be????

"I'm just saying if the pro-choice Democrats did die, more unborn babies would live. That's a fact."

Circumstantial fact, given that the number of abortions would then go underground into back allies to be performed with severe consequences that could result in the death of the "mother" or sterility of. But then this is no longer slander as was the case in your former statement about Edwards dieing.

Or.....

Would it have been fine if she had not added the "That's a fact." part?

Like this...

"I'm just saying if [Edwards] did die, other people, more people would live. "

IT still wouldn't have been fine because there's no factual basis for it.
Cheney's case is arguable and debatable as Maher presented it. Coulter's presentation of Edwards was nothing but slander with the sole intent of slander.

 

[dottedmint]

Alright..... Alright....

Give me an example where Coulter could have said that the DEATH of a DEMOCRAT could have a positive effect.

Or are you going to be a hypocrit and tell me that it is OK to say the DEATH of Cheney could have a positive effect on something but it is just IMPOSSIBLE that the DEATH of a Democrat would have a positive effect on something?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Coulter's remark were at a GOP sponsored event with Cheney and other big wigs in attendance.

Maher's remarks were
1. True
2. On a comedy show.

 

[jfuh]

Alright..... Alright....

Give me an example where Coulter could have said that the DEATH of a DEMOCRAT could have a positive effect.

Or are you going to be a hypocrit and tell me that it is OK to say the DEATH of Cheney could have a positive effect on something but it is just IMPOSSIBLE that the DEATH of a Democrat would have a positive effect on something?

I thought I did, Johnson. Vietnam may not have happened at all.
I don't know any other democrat that led a war that was a failure or who's death would've made any difference. Do you?

 

[Inuyasha]

Interesting article about Ann Coulter

Are straight people allowed to say "******"? Are white people allowed to say "******"? Generally no. Our unwritten speech codes require that those words be used only by gays and blacks, respectively (black gays can say both). Which is just as it should be: minorities can reappropriate slurs if it empowers them or even if it just humors them — I think it's funny when fellow gays sarcastically say "Hey ******" to me. But it wouldn't be so funny if, say, my heterosexual boss said it. Sorry, straight people: you don't get to say "******." (I can still be fired for being gay in most U.S. states, so you still have the better end of the bargain.) Speech codes are one of the many social devices that keep us from all murdering each other with our bare hands in the grocery aisle.
Ann Coulter's Funny That Way... -- TIME

 

[Adrian]

Ethnicities/races can refer to themselves by derogatory terms not allowed by other ethnicities/races.

I can't call a black person a "******."
I can't call a Mexican a "spic."
I can't call an Irishman a "mick."
I can't call an Italian a "dego."
I can't call a German a "kraut."
I can't call a homosexual a "******."
I can't call an Asian a "slant." (Although I've heard nothing to indicate they have any desire to refer to themselves that way).
I can call a Jew a "hymie."
I can call my brother an idiot, but if you call him an idiot, I'll punch you in the mouth.

And so the world turns. If it makes you sad that you're not allowed to use a racist term with impunity, run home to your mother and cry about how unfair the world is.

 

[jfuh]

Ethnicities/races can refer to themselves by derogatory terms not allowed by other ethnicities/races.

I can't call a black person a "******."
I can't call a Mexican a "spic."
I can't call an Irishman a "mick."
I can't call an Italian a "dego."
I can't call a German a "kraut."
I can't call a homosexual a "******."
I can't call an Asian a "slant." (Although I've heard nothing to indicate they have any desire to refer to themselves that way).
I can call a Jew a "hymie."
I can call my brother an idiot, but if you call him an idiot, I'll punch you in the mouth.

And so the world turns. If it makes you sad that you're not allowed to use a racist term with impunity, run home to your mother and cry about how unfair the world is.

I've never even heard half of those.

 

[Adrian]

I've never even heard half of those.

You're kidding. :shock:

 

[jfuh]

You're kidding. :shock:

I'm not saying you're making them up no, seriously, I've never heard even half of these. Mick? seriously I'd no idea.