Could the sun be the cause of global warming?

[Lord of Planar]

What variables did you address? Where's your research paper?

Why should I repeat what I addressed? If you denied it before, you will deny it again!

Typical Nazi response.

Wheres your papers!

I am addressing the people who are capable of understanding the scientific facts of my words. If you cannot comprehend the scientific facts of my words, then how in hell would you understand any paper I present?

 

[Deuce]

Deuce.

Do you agree or disagree that photosynthesis is an endothermic process?

Do you agree or disagree that this process causes a cooling effect?

Do you agree or disagree that a warmer surface causes more evaporation, hence more cloud cover?

Do you agree or disagree that more cloud cover holds in the night time temperature more than an open sky, and reduced the daytime heat by reducing surface insolation?

What is your answer to these simple questions?

I'm formally educated in meteorology, unlike you. The idea I don't know about the existence of these basic ass processes is hilarious.

Do you agree or disagree that thinking you, Lord of Planar, can just intuitively know the exact level of influence these variables impose is ludicrous? You present no data, no calculations, no research papers, and you're just declaring THESE variables have skewed the temperature data to an unspecified level and we're just supposed to take your word for it. Don't bother with actual climate scientists, just listen to this ****ing rando on the internet who says he is more knowledgeable than people who have spent their entire careers researching this shit.

Even letting right wing climate skeptics cherry pick the temperature stations shows no difference in temperature data. "Skeptics" proved themselves wrong.

 

[Deuce]

Typical Nazi response.

Wheres your papers!

I am addressing the people who are capable of understanding the scientific facts of my words. If you cannot comprehend the scientific factsof my words, then how in hell would you understand any paper I present?

Hahahahah calls me a ****ing nazi because I asked for evidence to support a scientific assertion, literally because the word "paper" appeared in my sentence.

You're the nazi, declaring yourself superior to all others and that the rest of the world just can't comprehend your genius.

Welcome to the ignore list, Adolf.

 

[watsup]

You haven't the faintest clue. Do you?

None of those papers address the variables I did. Find me a paper that does, and I'll reconsider my position.

I'm sorry that you are easily lead by the agenda.

Psychological projection.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I'm formally educated in meteorology, unlike you. The idea I don't know about the existence of these basic ass processes is hilarious.

Sorry, but I don't believe you. You readily deny the facts of science that you claim to know.

Do you agree or disagree that thinking you, Lord of Planar, can just intuitively know the exact level of influence these variables impose is ludicrous?

Where did I ever claim to know "the exact level?" It's responses like this as to why I laugh at your claimed knowledge. You cannot properly recount a person's position, and the argue against an effective strawnman, rather than me. And you expect me to believe you understand? Do you expect the spectators to?

LOL... Really now.

You present no data, no calculations, no research papers, and you're just declaring THESE variables have skewed the temperature data to an unspecified level and we're just supposed to take your word for it.

But I have in the past. Should I repeat it again, and again, and again, every time you deny the fact that I previously did? Why would I be that stupid, as to waste my time on you?

You keep misunderstanding, and misrepresenting what I claim, and expect me to cover the material again, so you can deny the science again?

Don't bother with actual climate scientists, just listen to this ****ing rando on the internet who says he is more knowledgeable than people who have spent their entire careers researching this shit.

Funny that you say that, considering you are the one that doesn't understand what the papers actually say, and repeat what the pundits say. Lying about the papers.

Even letting right wing climate skeptics cherry pick the temperature stations shows no difference in temperature data. "Skeptics" proved themselves wrong.

I'm not sure where you are going with that one.

 

[watsup]

Sorry, but I don't believe you. You readily deny the facts of science that you claim to know.


Where did I ever claim to know "the exact level?" It's responses like this as to why I laugh at your claimed knowledge. You cannot properly recount a person's position, and the argue against an effective strawnman, rather than me. And you expect me to believe you understand? Do you expect the spectators to?

LOL... Really now.


But I have in the past. Should I repeat it again, and again, and again, every time you deny the fact that I previously did? Why would I be that stupid, as to waste my time on you?

You keep misunderstanding, and misrepresenting what I claim, and expect me to cover the material again, so you can deny the science again?


Funny that you say that, considering you are the one that doesn't understand what the papers actually say, and repeat what the pundits say. Lying about the papers.


I'm not sure where you are going with that one.

The “I don’t believe you” talking point.
The “strawman” talking point.
The “deny science” talking point.
The “pundits” talking point.
The “lying” talking point.

 

[longview]

The “I don’t believe you” talking point.
The “strawman” talking point.
The “deny science” talking point.
The “pundits” talking point.
The “lying” talking point.

You missed, peer reviewed plausible alternative attribution of portions of the observed warming!

 

[Felis Leo]

"While the sun’s energy output can influence our climate, there has not been a significant change in the amount of solar radiation reaching Earth since satellites have been measuring it in 1978. In that same time frame, we’ve seen global temperatures skyrocket.

There’s another piece of data that goes against this hypothesis.

If the sun was responsible for global warming, all levels of our atmosphere would be warmer as the sun’s rays pass through them. But that is not the case as our troposphere is getting warmer, while the layer above us, the stratosphere, is cooling- indicative of the buildup of greenhouse gases trapping heat at the surface.

Atmospheric CO2 concentrations measured in parts per million.
Credit: NOAA

This usually leads to more questions, often asking “what about blank?”​

The bottom line is that no other known climate influences have changed enough to account for the observed warming trend this century. Unfortunately, the evidence points to us and our activities. Global CO2 levels today are higher than any point in at least the past 800,000 years, now measuring 420 parts per million in a sample of air."

Could the sun be the cause of global warming?

As a meteorologist, I’m often asked about climate change. And while I’ve explained a lot of the basic concepts in previous Moments of Science, from how greenhouse gases heat our planet to the…

www.counton2.com

...Yes. The sun is the ultimate cause of global warming. If it was not for the damn sun, we would not have to worry about any of this.

 

[watsup]

...Yes. The sun is the ultimate cause of global warming. If it was not for the damn sun, we would not have to worry about any of this.

What is the primary cause of the present global warming according to climate scientists?

 

[Felis Leo]

What is the primary cause of the present global warming according to climate scientists?

Carbon dioxide in the upper atmosphere, was it not?

 

[watsup]

Carbon dioxide in the upper atmosphere, was it not?

Carbon dioxide in the lower atmosphere.

 

[Felis Leo]

Carbon dioxide in the lower atmosphere.

Ah so. Not going to pretend I know anything about climate science other than it appears carbon dioxide is the main culprit.

 

[watsup]

Ah so. Not going to pretend I know anything about climate science other than it appears carbon dioxide is the main culprit.

That’s about all you need to know right now. The rest is up to the climate scientists.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

“Many people” means nothing. What do climate scientists say?

I'm just debating about what many here on this forum believe. It's politics, so with many it's all or nothing.. They believe CO2 has nothing to do with the climate change.. BUT imo I believe old Mother Nature and the Sun and CO2 has a hand in the changing climate..Look at LoP response to me to see what I am talking. He's a typical Trumpster. No middle ground, it's his way or the highway..

Not everything is black and white, sometimes it is both. But unfortunately in our current political world Iam in the minority in believing both sides..

 

[Deuce]

I'm just debating about what many here on this forum believe. It's politics, so with many it's all or nothing.. They believe CO2 has nothing to do with the climate change.. BUT imo I believe old Mother Nature and the Sun and CO2 has a hand in the changing climate..Look at LoP response to me to see what I am talking. He's a typical Trumpster. No middle ground, it's his way or the highway..

Not everything is black and white, sometimes it is both. But unfortunately in our current political world Iam in the minority in believing both sides..

Your post implies that the liberal side of this discussion claims the sun and "mother nature" don't influence climate.

I hope you're aware that's not the case.

 

[watsup]

Your post implies that the liberal side of this discussion claims the sun and "mother nature" don't influence climate.

I hope you're aware that's not the case.

That was not implied at all.
What part does human-produced CO2 play in the present global warming, do you think?

 

[Deuce]

That was not implied at all.
What part does human-produced CO2 play in the present global warming, do you think?

Then what "both sides" are you believing in here?

 

[watsup]

Then what "both sides" are you believing in here?

Just answer the question.

 

[Deuce]

Just answer the question.

Human-produced CO2 is the largest change in forcing towards warmer temperature at the moment.

Just answer my question.