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Cops arrest blind man for carrying a walking stick

Cardinal said:
What is the point of demanding an id from someone who is clearly not the danger he was suspected of?
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What I don't understand is this insatiable need for cops to have to ID everybody... that causes most of the problems, as far as I can tell.
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In case he has an outstanding warrant.
 
Cardinal said:
"Papers, please."
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Well, if he were wanted to murder and rape, and they didn't check his ID...

Standards for requesting identification are pretty low, and almost nonexistent depending on the state.
 
zincwarrior said:
Well, if he were wanted to murder and rape, and they didn't check his ID...

Standards for requesting identification are pretty low, and almost nonexistent depending on the state.
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By that logic, police should just go door to door and demand everybody's id's.
 
zincwarrior said:
Well, if he were wanted to murder and rape, and they didn't check his ID...

Standards for requesting identification are pretty low, and almost nonexistent depending on the state.
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Actually, they are existent in every state. I'll grant you they are low, but they are there. And even under that standard, they weren't met as soon as he showed what was in his pocket.
 
Cardinal said:
By that logic, police should just go door to door and demand everybody's id's.
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I did not say it was good or bad.
There is no legal requirement for someone to ID "in case he has an outstanding warrant".
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You're right. Strawman somewhere else. I said thats why they are doing it.

Actually, they are existent in every state. I'll grant you they are low, but they are there. And even under that standard, they weren't met as soon as he showed what was in his pocket.
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Except the stop is not over and they can search him and identify him.
 
zincwarrior said:
Well, if he were wanted to murder and rape, and they didn't check his ID...

Standards for requesting identification are pretty low, and almost nonexistent depending on the state.
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Going by that standard any time a person leaves their home the police should check their ID, after all they may be wanted for rape or murder.

RFID chips implanted into everyone would make that process more efficient and effective
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Going by that standard any time a person leaves their home the police should check their ID, after all they may be wanted for rape or murder.

RFID chips implanted into everyone would make that process more efficient and effective
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Well why even wait for them to leave their home?
 
Drowning Man said:
No, their legal justification for the stop ended as soon as they no longer had reasonable suspicion of a crime.
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But thats a trial of fact and it can be argued they still had the reasonable suspicion of a crime.

Going by that standard any time a person leaves their home the police should check their ID, after all they may be wanted for rape or murder.
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So you're familiar with NYC's old stop and frisk routine...:oops:
 
zincwarrior said:
In the jurisdiction of this film, carrying a firearm.
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Nope. Already dispelled.

I mean, the police could argue that the guy was really an escaped hippo from the zoo in court, if they want. They can argue whatever they want. But, simply arguing something doesn't diminish the rights violation.
 
zincwarrior said:
In case he has an outstanding warrant.
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Cops can't stop and ID people to see if they have warrants... what kind of dictatorship do you want to live in?
 
Bodi said:
What I don't understand is this insatiable need for cops to have to ID everybody... that causes most of the problems, as far as I can tell.
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I think it's a sense that some police have that everyone has to obey them at all times.
They have this odd idea that if they order you to do something then you'll just have to comply and if you don't then they'll come up with any excuse they can think of to detain and possibly arrest you.
It doesn't help that the police involved don't seem to know the laws they're asked to uphold and take any attempt by the public to educate them about the law as some kind of threat.

Even when someone quotes a relevant law verbatim they ignore the advice and carry on with whatever unlawful action like a stop or search anyway.

They don't help their own cause.
 
Bodi said:
Cops can't stop and ID people to see if they have warrants... what kind of dictatorship do you want to live in?
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A Zinctatorship naturally.

But I am not advocating what anyone is doing. I am just discussing the event, and the fact that if they can stop you, they are going to try to ID you in case you have warrants.
 
Bodi said:
Cops can't stop and ID people to see if they have warrants... what kind of dictatorship do you want to live in?
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Yep, the land of the free has suddenly turned into a police state.
 
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