Constitutional Carry bill pending in Ohio

[Rich2018]

massive bedwetting by snowflakes matters not to me. what is sad is that you pretend you care about controlling crime, when your real goal is trying to criminalize lawful gun use

Your indifference beggars belief sometimes

Obviously there's no low you'd bend your morals to, if it means keeping your guns.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

If one set of criteria doesn't work, there's always another.

Hey, maybe we can count any incident where more than three shots are fired, as a mass shooting.

Yes, moving goalposts when he scores yet another miss.

 

[Rich2018]

Yes, moving goalposts when he scores yet another miss.

And don't forget his cherry picking, rabbit holing, gaslighting...

 

[Maidenrules29]

you forget that gun controls were enacted in the UK (twice), Canada and Australia after just ONE mass shooting

Easy to do when there is no 2nd Amendment preventing that.

 

[Maidenrules29]

There is no confusion

The only difference is the number of victims.

Rich,
Most people dont give a rat's ass about criminals killing other criminals. Darwin handing out awards just helps us out little by little. Turtle is correct. Subtract those deaths and suicides, and America's death by firearm statistics are negligible per capita.

 

[RF667799]

And don't forget his cherry picking, rabbit holing, gaslighting...

And his ever popular post/delete/repost.

 

[RF667799]

No it's not

How many planes were crashed into buildings on 9/11 ?
Yet it caused the Patriot Act, the TSA and the invasion of Iraq.

How many children does it take to choke on a cheap imported toy from China to see it banned ?

Your response is, "Yes, sometimes people overreact."

 

[TurtleDude]

Your indifference beggars belief sometimes

Obviously there's no low you'd bend your morals to, if it means keeping your guns.

honest people keeping their guns ranks way ahead of your pretending you are doing something useful, trying to ban guns. Your desiring clean underwear means nothing to me when it comes to proper rights

 

[Rich2018]

Easy to do when there is no 2nd Amendment preventing that.

Which is why I say there can be no significant gun control legislation, with a repeal of the 2A.

Most people dont give a rat's ass about criminals killing other criminals. Darwin handing out awards just helps us out little by little. Turtle is correct. Subtract those deaths and suicides, and America's death by firearm statistics are negligible per capita.

I think most people would prefer to live in a society where gangs of criminals don't engage in shootouts with each other.

 

[Rich2018]

honest people keeping their guns ranks way ahead of your pretending you are doing something useful, trying to ban guns. Your desiring clean underwear means nothing to me when it comes to proper rights

1. Many mass shooters were "honest citizens" up to the point they became an active shooter

2. Even if the vast majority of gun owners never abuse their guns, they still get them from the supply system that feeds criminals

3. Nice attempt at deflecting criticism of how low you bend your morals, if it means keeping your guns.

 

[RF667799]

Which is why I say there can be no significant gun control legislation, with a repeal of the 2A.



I think most people would prefer to live in a society where gangs of criminals don't engage in shootouts with each other.

Why did you move to a place with such a society, then?

And I think you meant, "..without a repeal.."

 

[Linuxcooldude]

1. Many mass shooters were "honest citizens" up to the point they became an active shooter.

In which less than 1% are mass shooting. In which criminals comprise a much more prevelant problem.

Oh and 100% of criminals started off as law abiding citizens until they weren't. A stupid argument either way.

 

[Rich2018]

In which less than 1% are mass shooting. In which criminals comprise a much more prevelant problem.

So that's OK then. Very reassuring.

Oh and 100% of criminals started off as law abiding citizens until they weren't. A stupid argument either way.

And you completely make my point for me.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

And you completely make my point for me.

Every person being a law abiding citizen when they are born is a stupid argument.

 

[Rich2018]

Every person being a law abiding citizen when they are born is a stupid argument.

Claiming that they are anything other is even more stupid.

 

[zsu2357]

No it's not

How many planes were crashed into buildings on 9/11 ?
Yet it caused the Patriot Act, the TSA and the invasion of Iraq.

And three big mistakes.

How many children does it take to choke on a cheap imported toy from China to see it banned ?

About as many that choke on Lego's or a whole host of other items.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

This will provide a great example and date when the number of shootings and gun related events inevitably go up with this Wild West nonsense of everybody can carry a gun no questions asked, totally ignoring the "well-regulated" part of the 2nd amendment

 

[Rich2018]

And three big mistakes.

Well the invasion of Iraq certainly was

But you have the benefit of 20:20 hindsight
After 9/11, if the Bush administration had done nothing and there had been a second hijacking/attack, would the American public has been so ambivalent as you? I think not.

About as many that choke on Lego's or a whole host of other items.

Yet the cheap Chinese made toy is banned after one incident
Please explain why.

 

[Fledermaus]

And don't forget his cherry picking, rabbit holing, gaslighting...

Ah, look at the blatant projection.

 

[Rucker61]

This will provide a great example and date when the number of shootings and gun related events inevitably go up with this Wild West nonsense of everybody can carry a gun no questions asked, totally ignoring the "well-regulated" part of the 2nd amendment

It didn't happen in the 22 previous states. Why do you think it would happen here?

“Well-regulated” modifies “militia”. The Constitution grants powers to government. The Bill of Rights restricts the powers of government.

The militia is "well regulated" in 10 USC 246 under the powers granted to Congress in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16.

U.S. Code § 246.Militia: composition and classes

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


The Second Amendment can only limit the power of government, not expand it. That limitation was expressed in the clause "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Nothing in the Bill of Rights limits the rights of the people.

 

[Rich2018]

The Second Amendment can only limit the power of government, not expand it. That limitation was expressed in the clause "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Nothing in the Bill of Rights limits the rights of the people.

What part of any democratic country's constitution does limit peoples rights ?

 

[TurtleDude]

This will provide a great example and date when the number of shootings and gun related events inevitably go up with this Wild West nonsense of everybody can carry a gun no questions asked, totally ignoring the "well-regulated" part of the 2nd amendment

are you still pretending that well regulated is a delegation of power to the federal government that allows it to "regulate" the people? if so, you need to actually take a class or two in constitutional law

 

[Rich2018]

are you still pretending that well regulated is a delegation of power to the federal government that allows it to "regulate" the people? if so, you need to actually take a class or two in constitutional law

Well regulated applies to the militia - the sole constitutional justification for bearing of arms.

 

[Rucker61]

Well regulated applies to the militia - the sole constitutional justification for bearing of arms.

Pennsylvania: 1776: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power. Declaration of Rights, cl. XIII.
Vermont: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power. Ch. I, art. 16 (enacted 1777, ch. I, art. 15).

Kentucky: 1792: "That the right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned." Art. XII, § 23.

Ohio: 1802: "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State; and as standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be kept up, and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to the civil power." Art. VIII, § 20.
Indiana: 1816: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State, and that the military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power. Art. I, § 20.

Mississippi: 1817: "Every citizen has a right to bear arms, in defence of himself and the State." Art. I, § 23.

Connecticut: Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state. Art. I, § 15 (enacted 1818, art. I, § 17).

Missouri: 1820: "That the people have the right peaceably to assemble for their common good, and to apply to those vested with the powers of government for redress of grievances by petition or remonstrance; and that their right to bear arms in defence of themselves and of the State cannot be questioned." Art. XIII, § 3.

The constitutions and courts of the various states indicated an individual rights viewpoint at least 66 times..

State Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms Provisions

Remember, the Constitution doesn't define our rights. The Bill of Rights doesn't define our rights.

 

[Rich2018]

Pennsylvania: 1776...

I was referring to the US Constitution.

Remember, the Constitution doesn't define our rights. The Bill of Rights doesn't define our rights.

Yes it does. If a constitutional (National Constitution that is) amendment was passed to repeal the 2A and grant people the right to live in a gun free society
It would supersede any state constitution.