Confederate Statues Were Built To Further A 'White Supremacist Future'

[RabidAlpaca]

Because it is a part of our history as a nation. But it is funny how things like this never bothered you guys until your liberal masters told you to be upset by it. Why not use your own brain rather than fall in line behind every childish, nihilistic whim of your masters. Theyre statues, most of whom you have never laid eyes upon and never will. To be offended by things like that is just immaturity.

Uh huh, lots of things are part of our history, including exterminating a bunch of native Americans. That doesn't mean we need to erect giant statues commemorating it on public land. Since I was a kid growing up in Texas I never understood why we would celebrate losers on the wrong side of history, so no, I've always supported their removal and I'm glad society is catching up. It is fun to just write off your political opponents as Soros puppets or whatever bull**** conspiracy you believe in though, huh?

 

[jamesrage]

Backlash response to any improvement in the lives of black folk was what is was,

Again many war memorials/statues/monuments were built decades after a war was over. It doesn't prove that those were built as a response to the improvement of black folks. Many of the confederate soldiers and or their children were alive when these things were erected.So it wasn't as though the civil war was something that happened in a long forgotten past.

I'm indifferent on whether they stay or go, so I'm ok with local control on the issue.

I don't care what they do as long as the citizens of that town agree to it. If they want to keep them where they are standing, put them in a museum, auction them of to a private collector or put it on ebay, demolish them, stick them in a landfill,or put them in the bottom of a sewage plant then that is their business.

 

[jamesrage]

Why would we honor foreign soldiers that fought to destroy our country?

Those "foreign" soldiers were citizens of the United states before country split into the United states of America and the Confederate States of America and were citizens of the United States after the Civil was was over.Many of those that served in the Civil war and their kids were still alive when those statues/monuments/memorials were built. So it wasn't like the civil war was some distant forgotten memory that faded into legend.

Is Bin Laden getting statues in town squares next?

Bin Laden wasn't an American citizen before and after 9-11 . A huge giant vast overwhelming segment of the country also didn't support Bin Laden. Bin Laden wasn't fighting for a segment of the country that temporarily split from the US. So its not a valid comparison.

 

[Fletch]

Uh huh, lots of things are part of our history, including exterminating a bunch of native Americans. That doesn't mean we need to erect giant statues commemorating it on public land. Since I was a kid growing up in Texas I never understood why we would celebrate losers on the wrong side of history, so no, I've always supported their removal and I'm glad society is catching up. It is fun to just write off your political opponents as Soros puppets or whatever bull**** conspiracy you believe in though, huh?

There is no conspiracy here, its just liberal group-think. And if you didn't like the one in your hometown, you should have petitioned to have it removed. But you didn't, of course. So now, rather than leave it to the people to decide for themselves , you want to force it down their throats. But you know it wont stop with confederate monuments right? What do you think of Sharptons idea of defunding the Jefferson Memorial? Ill bet that bothered you since you were a child too, right?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

There is no conspiracy here, its just liberal group-think. And if you didn't like the one in your hometown, you should have petitioned to have it removed. But you didn't, of course. So now, rather than leave it to the people to decide for themselves , you want to force it down their throats. But you know it wont stop with confederate monuments right? What do you think of Sharptons idea of defunding the Jefferson Memorial? Ill bet that bothered you since you were a child too, right?

I didn't petition to have it removed because I don't particularly give a ****, it's not me personally that it insults. The existence of the statues on public land is a mockery of the plight blacks and other minorities have historically faced in America. There is absolutely no reason, compelling or otherwise, that these statues must stay on public land until the end of time. Move them to private land and the confederate dickheads can come by and jerk themselves off while screaming white power to their heart's content.

Instead you want it shoved down the throats of minorities as a reminder that the only thing preventing them being in chains was the federal government forcing the states to free them. These statues were specifically constructed during eras of civil rights conflicts to bolster white supremacy. Neither losers nor traitors should get participation trophies and be glorified by a government that's supposed to represent everyone, not just the whites.

 

[joG]

Nope. There's no compelling reason to keep statues of traitors who fought against the US and the dignity of black people on public land until the end of time. If they want to move the statues to private land they can do that, but there's no reason to keep it on public land.

"Traitors" is not an expression that fits to the circumstances of Civil War, you know?

 

[joG]

The vivid memory of anybody who can remember the Civil War is long dead and buried.

So, why fudge history?

 

[rocket88]

So it's your contention that the confederacy started the war?

They are the ones that seceded and fired the first shots.

 

[rocket88]

So, why fudge history?

Nobody is fudging anything. If you're concerned about history there are literally thousands of books about the Civil War. There's a 9 part miniseries available on Netflix. There's basically no shortage of Civil War history out there.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

"Traitors" is not an expression that fits to the circumstances of Civil War, you know?

They're not really heroes to be permanently idolized on public land either.

Do you think it was whitewashing history when the Germans took down all the Hitler statues? Or should those stay exactly where they were until the end of time?

 

[ludin]

Those statues are there to honour the men who precipitated the war that killed more Americans than any other. Quite an accomplishment, but one that deserves recognition? You tell me.

Why should we forget what was fought for?
yes it deserve recognition, just like we recognize those that fought the revolutionary war.

 

[VanceMack]

:lamo

OMIGARSH! That MUST be true! I mean...Mt Rushmore was started...when? And the Lincoln memorial? And the Jefferson Memorial?

:lamo

Youze ****in guyz....

You are so desperate to make all things about racism that you ignore the fact that ALL of those ****ing monuments were being built AT THE SAME TIME.

 

[ludin]

They are the ones that seceded and fired the first shots.

The events that started the civil war started 8-12 years before it.

 

[ludin]

They're not really heroes to be permanently idolized on public land either.

Do you think it was whitewashing history when the Germans took down all the Hitler statues? Or should those stay exactly where they were until the end of time?

opinion noted but well dismissed. no one says that you have to go see them.
other people enjoy going and seeing the historical sites and things.

why should the majority of people who enjoying seeing them have to constantly bend to the tyranny of the minority?

 

[Rogue Valley]

opinion noted but well dismissed. no one says that you have to go see them.

They're most often situated at the local courthouse and other government buildings. Seeing them can't be avoided.

other people enjoy going and seeing the historical sites and things.

Then such people should have no problem enjoying Confederate history within a museum.

why should the majority of people who enjoying seeing them have to constantly bend to the tyranny of the minority?

Why should national traitors, secessionists, and slave traders tower above us on pedestals?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

opinion noted but well dismissed. no one says that you have to go see them.
other people enjoy going and seeing the historical sites and things.

why should the majority of people who enjoying seeing them have to constantly bend to the tyranny of the minority?

Except if they're on public land like courthouses the public has no choice but to see them. Move them to private property and you confederates can jerk each other off while yelling white power to your hearts delight. Stop trying to force it in everyone else. American values have changed and a majority no longer worship foreign traitors who fought the US so they could enslave human beings.

 

[ludin]

They're most often situated at the local courthouse and other government buildings. Seeing them can't be avoided.


Then such people should have no problem enjoying Confederate history within a museum.


Why should national traitors, secessionists, and slave traders tower above us on pedestals?

sure they can't look the other direction pretty simple if you ask me.
Why should they have to go to a museum?
You really don't know history that well do you? I guess not.

The civil war wasn't based on slavery that is a common misconception. The main part of the civil war was a fight of state rights vs federal power.
similar to the same fight we have today on state rights vs federal power.

While a main concern of the south was slavery it was mostly how much power the federal government had over the states.
however slavery was just one issue among a ton of others.

we did the same thing in the revolutionary war and the founding fathers were called traitors and secessionists as well.
i find the irony a bit compelling.

not that i supported the south in anyway however to be objective about it one must look at their way of thinking as well.

 

[ludin]

Except if they're on public land like courthouses the public has no choice but to see them. Move them to private property and you confederates can jerk each other off while yelling white power to your hearts delight. Stop trying to force it in everyone else. American values have changed and a majority no longer worship foreign traitors who fought the US so they could enslave human beings.

wow you don't have the ability to turn your head and no look at something? i know i do.
i am not a confederate by any stretch but it just goes to show how narrow minded you are.I
calling me a racist is even further from the truth but since when did you ever care about that.

i frankly don't see what the faux outrage there is about an important part of american history.

Yes you should stop trying to force your views on everyone else you are being a bit hypocritical here.

I don't worship them at all you seriously don't know what you are talking about. it is a statue. it is an important piece of american history that occurred.
people should remember and know why it occurred.

unless you want to be ignorant which pretty much sums up your post in general which is one made in ignorance.
it has little to do with american values. however being ignorant of history is a bad thing, but it is something that is expected anymore.

 

[Hawkeye10]

My problem with the argument with "Most of EM were erected during Jim Crow long after the war so they must of been about racism" is the convenient assumptions are not facts.

But when these statues—be they historical place markers, or myth-building icons of Lee or Stonewall Jackson—were built seems to suggest these monuments have very little to do with paying tribute to the Civil War dead and everything to do with erecting monuments to black disenfranchisement, segregation, and 20th-century racial tension.

Confederate Monuments History - Civil War Statues Were Built During Jim Crow

 

[RabidAlpaca]

wow you don't have the ability to turn your head and no look at something? i know i do.
i am not a confederate by any stretch but it just goes to show how narrow minded you are.I
calling me a racist is even further from the truth but since when did you ever care about that.

i frankly don't see what the faux outrage there is about an important part of american history.

Yes you should stop trying to force your views on everyone else you are being a bit hypocritical here.

I don't worship them at all you seriously don't know what you are talking about. it is a statue. it is an important piece of american history that occurred.
people should remember and know why it occurred.

unless you want to be ignorant which pretty much sums up your post in general which is one made in ignorance.
it has little to do with american values. however being ignorant of history is a bad thing, but it is something that is expected anymore.

Statues change over time. Just because someone put one there once doesn't mean it has to stay there until the end of time. I think it's great that America is rethinking its role models. We can recognize our history without putting gigantic pieces of **** on a pedestal. Put some hero soldier statues there instead, or whatever else, just something respectable that doesn't **** on minorities.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

My problem with the argument with "Most of EM were erected during Jim Crow long after the war so they must of been about racism" is the convenient assumptions are not facts.


Confederate Monuments History - Civil War Statues Were Built During Jim Crow

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Why did you post a link to a site that makes the very claim you said that you had a problem with?

 

[Hawkeye10]

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Why did you post a link to a site that makes the very claim you said that you had a problem with?

So that you could read the argument and see for yourself how weak it is.

I am all about separating TRUTH from NOT TRUTH you see...

 

[Absentglare]

:lamo

OMIGARSH! That MUST be true! I mean...Mt Rushmore was started...when? And the Lincoln memorial? And the Jefferson Memorial?

:lamo

Youze ****in guyz....

You are so desperate to make all things about racism that you ignore the fact that ALL of those ****ing monuments were being built AT THE SAME TIME.

That doesn't really go anywhere near challenging the premise of the OP.

 

[Paperview]

So that you could read the argument and see for yourself how weak it is.

I am all about separating TRUTH from NOT TRUTH you see...

No, it is the truth.

Do you know anything about Jim Crow and what was happening at that time in the South?

How's this for a stat: After the Civil War, when blacks were given the right to vote with the 15th amendment, In Georgia, for example, blacks accounted for HALF of all registered voters.

Bout the time those statues were popping up all over the South, you know what the black registered vote was in that state? A bit over 2% -- even though they accounted for nearly half the population.

In Mississippi, you know what the stat was? 1867, Miss., African Americans made up 56% of all Registered voters.
In 1890, they made up 25%

In 1892, they made up only 3%.

By 1900 ---> .4%

Think about that for a bit.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Because it is a part of our history as a nation. But it is funny how things like this never bothered you guys until your liberal masters told you to be upset by it. Why not use your own brain rather than fall in line behind every childish, nihilistic whim of your masters. Theyre statues, most of whom you have never laid eyes upon and never will. To be offended by things like that is just immaturity.

Many things are a part of our history that we don't commemorate. Not having statutes of certain people causes doesn't erase them from history. There are no statutes to Nazism in Germany, but no one for a minute thinks that the Second World War never happened.

It's not a matter of offense or mannerisms. It's simple logic that we don't commemorate men who fought against and killed people of the United States.