Trayvon had the option to continue to elude Zimmerman, but not knowing Zim was armed, returned to confront Zim, and to attempt to fisticuffs with Zim, Would Trayvon have confronted Zim, if Zim had been wearing a holster outside his jacket? When is the best time to reveal a concealed carry weapon, during the progression of a confrontation and struggle? Apparently, when Trayvon saw the Zim's pistol, Trayvon was already committed to a fight until at least unconditional surrender, excessive bleeding, unconsciousness or death..
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/41.lott_.final_.pdf
Trayvon had the option to continue to elude Zimmerman, but not knowing Zim was armed, returned to confront Zim, and to attempt to fisticuffs with Zim, Would Trayvon have confronted Zim, if Zim had been wearing a holster outside his jacket? When is the best time to reveal a concealed carry weapon, during the progression of a confrontation and struggle? Apparently, when Trayvon saw the Zim's pistol, Trayvon was already committed to a fight until at least unconditional surrender, excessive bleeding, unconsciousness or death..
Generally, concealed carry laws deter crime. What went wrong for Trayvon Martin?
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/41.lott_.final_.pdf
Trayvon had the option to continue to elude Zimmerman, but not knowing Zim was armed, returned to confront Zim, and to attempt to fisticuffs with Zim, Would Trayvon have confronted Zim, if Zim had been wearing a holster outside his jacket? When is the best time to reveal a concealed carry weapon, during the progression of a confrontation and struggle? Apparently, when Trayvon saw the Zim's pistol, Trayvon was already committed to a fight until at least unconditional surrender, excessive bleeding, unconsciousness or death..
Generally, concealed carry laws deter crime. What went wrong for Trayvon Martin?
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/41.lott_.final_.pdf
Trayvon had the option to continue to elude Zimmerman, but not knowing Zim was armed, returned to confront Zim, and to attempt to fisticuffs with Zim, Would Trayvon have confronted Zim, if Zim had been wearing a holster outside his jacket? When is the best time to reveal a concealed carry weapon, during the progression of a confrontation and struggle? Apparently, when Trayvon saw the Zim's pistol, Trayvon was already committed to a fight until at least unconditional surrender, excessive bleeding, unconsciousness or death..
Generally, concealed carry laws deter crime. What went wrong for Trayvon Martin?
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/41.lott_.final_.pdf
Trayvon had the option to continue to elude Zimmerman, but not knowing Zim was armed, returned to confront Zim, and to attempt to fisticuffs with Zim, Would Trayvon have confronted Zim, if Zim had been wearing a holster outside his jacket? When is the best time to reveal a concealed carry weapon, during the progression of a confrontation and struggle? Apparently, when Trayvon saw the Zim's pistol, Trayvon was already committed to a fight until at least unconditional surrender, excessive bleeding, unconsciousness or death..
Generally, concealed carry laws deter crime. What went wrong for Trayvon Martin?
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/41.lott_.final_.pdf
Well. Nice to see this thread, actually. Now that Illinois finally has concealed carry? It pisses me off. (Ha! Never happy, Maggie.)
Maybe others don't think the same way I do. I think they don't because they may think it's a special honor to conceal carry. But when I look at the laws of other states on punishment for NOT having your gun concealed, all the work you have to go to to make sure it doesn't show, it rather pisses me off. There's a difference between your gun showing and brandishing a gun. That's what the law to carry ought to be about: "It's against the law to brandish a carry weapon."
As to Zimmerman/Martin, if it went down the way Zimmerman described, I chalk it up to youthful thuggery. I'm sure, though, that if Zimmerman's gun was visible? We'd have never read about any incident that night.
Can a concealed carry pistol be brandished in self-defense?
Does Brandishing include pointing the pistol at the potential attacker? Or just pointed to a harmless direction?
To brandish or not to brandish?
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Zimmermann failed to say, "I have a ****ing gun."
Well. Nice to see this thread, actually. Now that Illinois finally has concealed carry? It pisses me off. (Ha! Never happy, Maggie.)
Maybe others don't think the same way I do. I think they don't because they may think it's a special honor to conceal carry. But when I look at the laws of other states on punishment for NOT having your gun concealed, all the work you have to go to to make sure it doesn't show, it rather pisses me off. There's a difference between your gun showing and brandishing a gun. That's what the law to carry ought to be about: "It's against the law to brandish a carry weapon."
As to Zimmerman/Martin, if it went down the way Zimmerman described, I chalk it up to youthful thuggery. I'm sure, though, that if Zimmerman's gun was visible? We'd have never read about any incident that night.
Zimmermann failed to say, "I have a ****ing gun."
Would that have been before he saw Martin? Would that have been before or after Martin jumped out, popped Zimmerman in the face breaking Zimmerman's nose? Would it have been while Z was reaching up to check his broken nose and Martin jumped on him, started beating his bare head against the concrete sidewalk?
Did Martin fail to say, "I have a ****ing fist, then I am going to beat your head against the sidewalk"?
A lotta woulda-coulda-shouldas we have in this case, perhaps on both sides. I think it obvious that Zimmerman did not bring out his gun, or, as you said, probably Martin would not have thrown the punches. But he did not brandish, Martin did punch, then jump on top and start bashing his head into the concrete. So, without further evidence, Martin is almost assuredly the aggressor and Zimmerman had full right to defend himself. All reasonable people, if they put themselves in the situation, would agree... as did all six jurors.Zim had time, and could have pulled off his coat when he saw Trayvon approaching him, and could have backed off to a defensive distance, rather than getting in Travon's face with, "What are you doing here??" Zim had time to back off, and take off his jacket, before reaching in his pocket, and getting punched by Trayvon. If Trayvon had seen Zim's gun before Trayvon punched Zim, or before Trayvon saw Zim reaching into his pocket, Trayvon might not have thrown any punches.
Maybe there could be a specific exception from Brandishing, when a Concealed carry permit holder removes his jacket, in a defensive attempt to diffuse a situation.
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