Re: Company’s ban against gay weddings is akin to ‘white applicants only’ sign, judge
it wouldn't make sense for businesses to discriminate so I have a hard time believing that they really ever did. And certain places businesses are required by law to discriminate.
The only discrimination a business is going to do is against people that don't have money or that can't make them money.
I'm sorry but the only way to describe that comment is historically ignorant. It happened and it was common. It's hard to believe you've never seen photos of "Whites Only" signs, or watched a movie about blacks in the Jim Crow era. And discriminating against blacks might have been good business.
no I don't have to wait for the cops. I can use Force to stop them those crimes I could use deadly force to stop them. So apples and oranges.
the laws are not there to protect people because they don't. The laws are there to give recourse to the victims and stop this from happening again.
I agree, and if that gas station discriminates the law will impose penalties on him to stop it from happening again.
he can go to a competing Steakhouse. If the law said black people cannot patronized steakhouses that would be inequality.
that doesn't really fly here. If eating at a white supremacist Steakhouse is absolutely necessary for a black man's career we'd have a problem but I have a hard time believing it is.
OK, but then you're stating your preference on a "is it necessary basis" and not on a principle. I'm arguing the latter here. What you're doing is assuming there is no NEED for such laws, but at least one reason there is no longer a perceived need is 53 years of the law obligating all public businesses like that to serve everyone without regard to race, etc. The practice is totally ingrained in our economic culture now, but we don't have to assume it will always be that way. Not sure where you're from but my parents (from west Tennessee -dad, and Miss and LA - mom) WELL remember a time when all the best restaurants in town were absolutely off limits to blacks.
I reject the premise that a restaurant is responsible for a salesman's career.
it places a minor inconvenience on them.
First of all, it was just ONE example among many. And you claimed above you can't imagine a business ever actually discriminated so I doubt you've given the subject matter a lot of thought, nor as someone who hasn't endured it can you really judge the effects. A few "minor inconveniences" solely due to race per week or month add up to significant burdens. Furthermore, we're comparing this to the "burden" of that restaurant legally required to serve blacks on the same basis as whites, for the same pay, etc. From where I sit, it's either a trivial burden, or the racist POS can suck it up or find another line of business.
within your special pleading perhaps but I don't buy that societies harmed because some people have to wait for gas station open that isn't run by jerks.
If it's one person, that's true, but if it's only one station whose right to discriminate is abridged, then exactly how is society harmed? None at all IMO, but by any account far less than that family's harm. We can quantify the family's harm - time lost, lost productivity, missed work, loss of a vacation day. If a million people, that loss is significant. Quantify that gas station owner's loss for me.
Nobody is under any obligation to serve customers equally. I was told back when I worked retail if someone was acting like an ass tell them to leave. The company reserve the right to deny service to anybody for any reason they saw set outside of the ones that you're not legally allowed to.
Right, and the law is as it should be IMO.
