Communist Party USA - in a nutshell

[WCH]

Yea.... Like everyone is a commi right. Right-wingers

I seriously doubt you would know given your lack of evidence disputing this fact.

And no I can assure everyone is not a Commie.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I can do the OP one better. Communism in one word: Slavery.

Under true communism, there is no freedom. You must work the job you are chosen for and you get only what the state chooses to provide for you. The rights that an individual enjoys under natural law are replaced with privileges that are taken away as easily as they are given. The goal is one class, but communism always results in two classes. The ruling class and the working class. Functionally, communism is no different than a Georgia Plantation in 1850's with the only exception being there were no delusions about who owned the land and the crops in 18050's Georgia.


*Sorry Georgia, didn't mean to pick on you, just the first southern state that came to mind.

 

[What if...?]

People are competitive because of capitalism not of an inherited character.

No. Homo sapiens are individually competitive.

The trick in these discussions is distinguishing between competition between individuals and competition between groups of individuals.

Human beings are in the apex position because of cooperation between individuals, competing with the environment and other groups.

Had individual competion been the primary driver, we'd be apex predators on the savannah and its immediate surroundings, resembling babboons more than "us". Cooperation is our strength.

Competition is a good thing when its not the "only" thing.

We have an interesting situation concerning the conflation of intra-group and extra-group competition.

Those most likely to preach law of the jungle, survival of the fittest individual competition will be the first to run to the tribe for help if you grab em by the scruff of the neck and throw them out of their mansion and declare it yours by right of conquest. Property rights as we conceive of them are group constructs. In nature, you "own" what you can physically hold.

Communism is doomed until such time as scarcity ceases completely. Which is impossible, even if only luxuries are "scarce".

Until then, communism's failure to address the simple fact that people AREN'T equal means it will consume the capable picking up the slack for the less so for exactly the same recompense. Which won't be "abundance" as would be possible if there was no scarcity.

Mixed economies are the way to go. Some things simply are never going to be "profitable" enough for business to do them, and some should never be privatized.

Determining the mix is the tricky part.

 

[jag2594]

Fitness is natural selection which in turn is influenced by competition. The Link provides evidence to support this. You have come out with NO evidence to support your claims and have just made empty assumptions.



Have you ever provided evidence for anything?

*Laughs*

fitness is a not caused by competition. Fitness is caused by phenotype...


An individual's fitness is manifested through its phenotype. The phenotype is affected by the developmental environment as well as by genes, and the fitness of a given phenotype can be different in different environments.

Fitness (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Competition does not influence phenotypes...

Natural Selection is caused by fitness,

Fitness is caused by phenotypes

phenotypes are caused by environmental characteristics and genes.

Competition doesn't effect phenotypes.


I Don't need to provide evidence for Libertarians beliefs.... Its already known.

 

[jag2594]

I can do the OP one better. Communism in one word: Slavery.

Under true communism, there is no freedom. You must work the job you are chosen for and you get only what the state chooses to provide for you. The rights that an individual enjoys under natural law are replaced with privileges that are taken away as easily as they are given. The goal is one class, but communism always results in two classes. The ruling class and the working class. Functionally, communism is no different than a Georgia Plantation in 1850's with the only exception being there were no delusions about who owned the land and the crops in 18050's Georgia.


*Sorry Georgia, didn't mean to pick on you, just the first southern state that came to mind.

keep believing corporate media. LOL go now... fox news is your manifest destiny.

 

[cpgrad08]

People are competitive because of capitalism not of an inherited character.

Capitalism is competitive because of inherited human character.

 

[jag2594]

Capitalism is competitive because of inherited human character.

No...

competition tries to eliminate the problem by defeating an opponent.

 

[ksu_aviator]

keep believing corporate media. LOL go now... fox news is your manifest destiny.

I didn't get any of that from corporate media. I got that from reading Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto. When you read the original thoughts, it is easier to glean the real outcomes.

 

[jag2594]

No. Homo sapiens are individually competitive.

The trick in these discussions is distinguishing between competition between individuals and competition between groups of individuals.

Human beings are in the apex position because of cooperation between individuals, competing with the environment and other groups.

Had individual competion been the primary driver, we'd be apex predators on the savannah and its immediate surroundings, resembling babboons more than "us". Cooperation is our strength.

Competition is a good thing when its not the "only" thing.

We have an interesting situation concerning the conflation of intra-group and extra-group competition.

Those most likely to preach law of the jungle, survival of the fittest individual competition will be the first to run to the tribe for help if you grab em by the scruff of the neck and throw them out of their mansion and declare it yours by right of conquest. Property rights as we conceive of them are group constructs. In nature, you "own" what you can physically hold.

Communism is doomed until such time as scarcity ceases completely. Which is impossible, even if only luxuries are "scarce".

Until then, communism's failure to address the simple fact that people AREN'T equal means it will consume the capable picking up the slack for the less so for exactly the same recompense. Which won't be "abundance" as would be possible if there was no scarcity.

Mixed economies are the way to go. Some things simply are never going to be "profitable" enough for business to do them, and some should never be privatized.

Determining the mix is the tricky part.

You don't know the definition of competition.

competition tries to eliminate the problem by defeating an opponent.

 

[cpgrad08]

No...

So I guess humans were never competitive before the invention of Capitalism.

 

[jag2594]

I didn't get any of that from corporate media. I got that from reading Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto. When you read the original thoughts, it is easier to glean the real outcomes.

If you did.. you were biased from the start..

From corporate media.

 

[jag2594]

So I guess humans were never competitive before the invention of Capitalism.

Competition has nothing to do with human progress and evolution.

 

[cpgrad08]

If you did.. you were biased from the start..

From corporate media.

Awe you are one of those. I'm not blinded by ideology just everyone that disagrees with me is blinded by ideology types.

 

[cpgrad08]

Competition has nothing to do with human progress and evolution.

Actually it does.

 

[jag2594]

Awe you are one of those. I'm not blinded by ideology just everyone that disagrees with me is blinded by ideology types.

Why would agreeing with the majority be correct? that actually tells me that the majority buys into corporate media...

 

[Hard Truth]

It is correct that communists made some positive contributions in the first half of the 20th century. As the truth about Stalinism came out the smart and humane ones left the party.

Read the history of the rise of communism in eastern Europe after WWII. (The book Savage Continent is recommended) They were a stealth party that rose to power with their promises and some positive actions, but then seized power through violence and deception and became totalitarians.

The communist experiment has been tried in enough places to reach the conclusion that unchecked communism leads to mass murder and oppression. In the interest of fairness, the same things I said about communism are true of far right groups.

In the USA, the right is much more of a threat to our freedom and well-being, expecially since the interests and goals of the far right, religious fundamentalists and large corporations are essentially the same. However, the way to oppose corporate fascism is liberalism, democracy (representational as needed), fact-based education, effective regulations and adequate government services (call it a bit of socialism if you must), not communism, which is just the other side of the same coin.

 

[jag2594]

Actually it does.

care to provide evidence....

 

[Spriggs05]

phenotypes are caused by environmental characteristics and genes.

Competition doesn't effect phenotypes.

Competition is and environmental characteristic, it is a characteristic of the ecosystem and occurs naturally in humans and Animals.

Competition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Competition in biology, ecology, and sociology, is a contest between organisms, animals, individuals, groups, etc., for territory, a niche, or a location of resources, for resources and goods, mates, for prestige, recognition, awards, or group or social status, for leadership

I Don't need to provide evidence for Libertarians beliefs.... Its already known.

Stop resorting to attacks on my opinion and concentrate on the topic at hand.

 

[jag2594]

Competition is and environmental characteristic, it is a characteristic of the ecosystem and occurs naturally in humans and Animals.

Competition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Stop resorting to attacks on my opinion and concentrate on the topic at hand.

Competition doesn't change the phenotype. Food, weather, are environmental characteristics and can change the phenotype of an organism because the organism is adaptable. Human lost the ability for making vitamin C due to Humans evolving out of the jungle. Vitamin C was excess in fruits. That is an example...

A polar bear has a white coat because it has adapted to the its environment.

Competition is not part of the ecosystem. Its an verb.... Neither is aggression.


actually pleasure, plenty of food, and play increases the age of organisms. Which would imply the importance health and well being.

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The truth hurts..

 

[Spriggs05]

Competition doesn't change the phenotype. Food, weather, are environmental characteristics and can change the phenotype of an organism because the organism is adaptable. Human lost the ability for making vitamin C due to Humans evolving out of the jungle. Vitamin C was excess in fruits. That is an example...

Competition is an environmental characteristic, it is a characteristic of the ecosystem and occurs naturally in humans and Animals. You have described adaptation due to a different environmental characteristic, not competition but a surplus of nutrition in the surrounding environment. Evolutionary competition would be humans developing tools as to kill prey and then fend off competitors.

Competition (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In evolutionary contexts, competition is related to the concept of r/K selection theory, which relates to the selection of traits which promote success in particular environments

Evolution changes the phenotype in line with competition.

A polar bear has a white coat because it has adapted to the its environment.

Yes. Not competition, adaption for more efficient hunting.

Competition is not part of the ecosystem. Its an verb....

com·pe·ti·tion
Noun
1.The activity or condition of competing: "there is fierce competition between banks".
2.An event or contest in which people compete

Or from Biology online:

(1) A symbiotic relationship between or among living things for resources, such as food, space, shelter, mate, ecological status, etc.

Competition is central to an ecosystem.
Competition (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Intraspecific competition occurs when members of the same species compete for the same resources in an ecosystem. The organism that obtains less resources, will usually perform less well

An example among animals could be the case of cheetahs and lions; since both species feed on similar prey, they are negatively impacted by the presence of the other because they will have less food,

Competitive exclusion principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In ecology, the competitive exclusion principle,[1] sometimes referred to as Gause's law of competitive exclusion or just Gause's law,[2] is a proposition which states that two species competing for the same resources cannot coexist if other ecological factors are constant

The truth hurts..

Wow, opinion is fact now is it? Good for you.

 

[jag2594]

Competition is an environmental characteristic, it is a characteristic of the ecosystem and occurs naturally in humans and Animals. You have described adaptation due to a different environmental characteristic, not competition but a surplus of nutrition in the surrounding environment. Evolutionary competition would be humans developing tools as to kill prey and then fend off competitors.

Competition (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Evolution changes the phenotype in line with competition.



Yes. Not competition, adaption for more efficient hunting.





Or from Biology online:



Competition is central to an ecosystem.
Competition (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Competitive exclusion principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Wow, opinion is fact now is it? Good for you.

You don't know the definition of competition

competition tries to eliminate the problem by defeating an opponent.

 

[jag2594]

Competition is an environmental characteristic, it is a characteristic of the ecosystem and occurs naturally in humans and Animals. You have described adaptation due to a different environmental characteristic, not competition but a surplus of nutrition in the surrounding environment. Evolutionary competition would be humans developing tools as to kill prey and then fend off competitors.

Competition (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Evolution changes the phenotype in line with competition.



Yes. Not competition, adaption for more efficient hunting.





Or from Biology online:



Competition is central to an ecosystem.
Competition (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Competitive exclusion principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Wow, opinion is fact now is it? Good for you.

com·pete
kəmˈpēt/
verb
gerund or present participle: competing
1.
strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.
"universities are competing for applicants"
synonyms: take part, participate, play, be a competitor, be involved; More
contend with, vie with, battle (with), wrangle with, jockey with, go head to head with;
strive against, pit oneself against;
challenge, take on
take part in a contest.
"he competed in numerous track meets as a child"
synonyms: rival, challenge, keep up with, keep pace with, compare with, match, be in the same league as, come near to, come close to, touch; More
Origin

More
early 17th cent.: from Latin competere , in its late sense ‘strive or contend for (something),’ from com- ‘together’ + petere ‘aim at, seek.’
Translate competing to
Use over time for: competing

competition - Google Search

 

[Spriggs05]

You don't know the definition of competition

competition tries to eliminate the problem by defeating an opponent.

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com·pe·ti·tion
/ˌkämpəˈtiSHən/

Noun
1.The activity or condition of competing: "there is fierce competition between banks".
2.An event or contest in which people compete.

Competition | Define Competition at Dictionary.com

com·pe·ti·tion
[kom-pi-tish-uhn]

noun
1.the act of competing; rivalry for supremacy, a prize, etc.: The competition between the two teams was bitter.

2.a contest for some prize, honor, or advantage: Both girls entered the competition.

3.the rivalry offered by a competitor: The small merchant gets powerful competition from the chain stores.

4.a competitor or competitors: What is your competition offering?

5.Sociology . rivalry between two or more persons or groups for an object desired in common, usually resulting in a victor and a loser but not necessarily involving the destruction of the latter.

competition - definition of competition by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

com·pe·ti·tion
(kmp-tshn)
n.
1. The act of competing, as for profit or a prize; rivalry.

2. A test of skill or ability; a contest: a skating competition.

3. Rivalry between two or more businesses striving for the same customer or market.

4. A competitor: The competition has cornered the market.

5. Ecology The simultaneous demand by two or more organisms for limited environmental resources, such as nutrients, living space, or light.

I believe my definition is correct judging by these three.

 

[Spriggs05]

com·pete
kəmˈpēt/
verb
gerund or present participle: competing
1.
strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.
"universities are competing for applicants"
synonyms: take part, participate, play, be a competitor, be involved; More
contend with, vie with, battle (with), wrangle with, jockey with, go head to head with;
strive against, pit oneself against;
challenge, take on
take part in a contest.
"he competed in numerous track meets as a child"
synonyms: rival, challenge, keep up with, keep pace with, compare with, match, be in the same league as, come near to, come close to, touch; More
Origin

More
early 17th cent.: from Latin competere , in its late sense ‘strive or contend for (something),’ from com- ‘together’ + petere ‘aim at, seek.’
Translate competing to
Use over time for: competing

competition - Google Search

The Link Is Competing we are discussing Competition They are different words, stop twisting definitions and words that we have been using.

Also look at the bold bit that I have highlighted in your definition.

 

[jag2594]

The Link Is Competing we are discussing Competition They are different words, stop twisting definitions and words that we have been using.

Also look at the bold bit that I have highlighted in your definition.

Competition is derive from compete.

competition tries to eliminate the problem by defeating an opponent.

competition is a form of reverse evolution for mammals. It has no purpose..