Commander-in-Chief

[Questerr]

If the people vote for him/her...yes.

Especially when that felony conviction is the result of lawfare and kangaroo courts.

And if the people don’t vote for him/her and they instead get into office in spite of not getting the support of the majority of voters?

Or when you said “the people” were you only referring to the Electoral College?

 

[dockside]

I'm opposed to putting lifetime restrictions on convicts who've completed their sentences.

They should be able to do a job as long as there isn't a residual risk. For example a sexual predator can't be employed at a school and you probably wouldn't want Bernie Madoff RIP running the Federal Reserve.

So yeah a convicted felon can be POTUS. Let voters decide if the person's criminal background is disqualifying.

But, TFG hasn't completed his sentence. Hasn't paid for his wrongdoing. So, I disagree strongly about whether he should be allowed to even be president. No company would hire him (if they didn't know his name) so why should taxpayers do so.

 

[Craig234]

Should the U.S. Constitution allow a convicted felon to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, which gives a convicted felon access to our U.S. nuclear codes, as well as access to other top secret military information?

I'd say yes, there should be no hard prohibition over a felony conviction (which would need a constitutional amendment to make it the law).

One reason is respect for voter choice.

A second reason is unintended consequences - every promising future candidate might face "lawfare" type phony prosecutions much more to remove them, of the type done to Don Siegelman by Karl Rove.

A third reason is that I think there are a lot worse threat to 'bad presidents' over things like the corrupt money in politics, than there necessarily are over a felony conviction.

What if Biden or Harris or Welz had done something bad in their past and gotten a felony conviction that had no bearing on how they are today? Having the felony conviction that the opponents can use in the campaign as much as it deserves is enough. "He was convicted of felony rape" carries weight, another conviction might carry little to none (e.g., he was convicted of protesting climate change).

 

[Craig234]

Weird how so many convicts take issue with their prosecution.

I think some of that is legitimate; legal experts say prosecutors often do over-prosecute commonly. Look for example at the story in today's news - someone who simply photographed four people doing graffiti is now charged with an inflated felony. Overcharging gives them leverage in demanding plea deals. And they can sometimes overstate their cases prosecuting IMO. Of course this has nothing to do with lying trump.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I think some of that is legitimate; legal experts say prosecutors often do over-prosecute commonly. Look for example at the story in today's news - someone who simply photographed four people doing graffiti is now charged with an inflated felony. Overcharging gives them leverage in demanding plea deals. And they can sometimes overstate their cases prosecuting IMO. Of course this has nothing to do with lying trump.

I'm sure that happens.

I'm also sure I could select most any place on earth and most any time period
and still find that complaining about the unfairness of their prosecution is a common past time for crooks.

As the old saw goes

King Frederick II, an eighteenth-century king of Prussia, was visiting a prison in Berlin. [sometimes the visitor is someone else (like a bishop) somewhere else in the world]

The inmates all tried to prove to him how they had been unjustly imprisoned. “It wasn’t my fault!” “I was framed!” “It is so wrong for me to be here!” “I’m innocent!” [and "UNFAIR!!"] were their typical claims.

All except one.​

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Seeing him sitting there oblivious to all the commotion, the king was intrigued. He walked over to the man and asked what he was there for.​

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“Armed robbery, Your Highness.”​

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The king asked, “Were you guilty?”​

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“Yes, Sir,” he answered. “I entirely deserve my punishment.”​

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The king then gave an order to the guard: “Release this guilty man. I don’t want him corrupting all these innocent people!”​

 

[Bullseye]

Should the U.S. Constitution allow a convicted felon to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, which gives a convicted felon access to our U.S. nuclear codes, as well as access to other top secret military information?

We allow one with half his brain cells misfunctioning for almost four years.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Should the U.S. Constitution allow a convicted felon to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, which gives a convicted felon access to our U.S. nuclear codes, as well as access to other top secret military information?

No, a thousand times no, and the founders screwed up by not giving attention to such a possibility.
Did the term FELON even exist back then? Doubtful but "CONVICTED CRIMINAL" sure did and there was a distinction between minor infractions and serious crimes.
Trump has been convicted of some very serious crimes.

 

[reinaert]

Would Walz get one? He is vey cozy with China



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Super cozy:

Explainer: Tim Walz’s long track record in China

The Democratic vice presidential nominee has a decades-long connection with China analysts say could help fill gap in foreign policy debates in the US

www.voanews.com

Walz has history with China - it's more hawkish than critics claim

Republicans claim the Democratic VP candidate is a friend of the Chinese government. The reality is very different.

www.bbc.com

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I'm opposed to putting lifetime restrictions on convicts who've completed their sentences.

They should be able to do a job as long as there isn't a residual risk. For example a sexual predator can't be employed at a school and you probably wouldn't want Bernie Madoff RIP running the Federal Reserve.

So yeah a convicted felon can be POTUS. Let voters decide if the person's criminal background is disqualifying.

Nope, most of the crimes he is convicted of involve direct residual risk TO almost every aspect OF being POTUS.
So while I am generally opposed to lifetime restrictions on most jobs for convicted felons, a Federal position of that magnitude? Yeah, lifetime restrictions.

 

[Craig234]

and still find that complaining about the unfairness of their prosecution is a common past time for crooks.

I suspect we're both right.

 

[Logician Man]

Nope, most of the crimes he is convicted of involve direct residual risk TO almost every aspect OF being POTUS.
So while I am generally opposed to lifetime restrictions on most jobs for convicted felons, a Federal position of that magnitude? Yeah, lifetime restrictions.

This^

 

[reinaert]

Nope, most of the crimes he is convicted of involve direct residual risk TO almost every aspect OF being POTUS.
So while I am generally opposed to lifetime restrictions on most jobs for convicted felons, a Federal position of that magnitude? Yeah, lifetime restrictions.

While I tend to agree, the Constitutional requirements are:

1. Natural born citizen.

2. Thirty five years of age.

The remedy is impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors or conviction for treason; alternatively, he could be stripped of his citizenship for insurrection, if current law allows.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I suspect we're both right.

they ain't mutually exclusive afaIct

 

[Craig234]

To clarify: I'm not saying there might not be some restriction that could make sense, but it's tricky to identify. It's easy to point at trump with his treason and stolen documents and say 'bad idea', but harder to make a general rule that gets it right.

National security issue? So a crime like rape is ok - but say Chelsea Manning was seen as a courageous hero acting patriotically by enough voters to want to make her president, should the felony conviction for leaking prevent it?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

While I tend to agree, the Constitutional requirements are:

1. Natural born citizen.

2. Thirty five years of age.

The remedy is impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors or conviction for treason; alternatively, he could be stripped of his citizenship for insurrection, if current law allows.

That's the reason I say the founders screwed up.
They were apparently so convinced that only "honorable men" would aspire to the office.
Way too much of our entire system is based on honor and ONLY honor.
Even the Oath of Office has NO teeth whatsoever.

 

[Logician Man]

Logician Man said:
Should the U.S. Constitution allow a convicted felon to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, which gives a convicted felon access to our U.S. nuclear codes, as well as access to other top secret military information?

We allow one with half his brain cells misfunctioning for almost four years.

Give us the name of the "one" convicted felon that has been "allowed" to serve as U.S. Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military for "almost four years" @Bullseye. (awaiting patiently)

 

[reinaert]

That's the reason I say the founders screwed up.
They were apparently so convinced that only "honorable men" would aspire to the office.
Way too much of our entire system is based on honor and ONLY honor.
Even the Oath of Office has NO teeth whatsoever.

Madison saw his error, but there was no remedy to correct it.

 

[Bullseye]

Logician Man said:
Should the U.S. Constitution allow a convicted felon to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, which gives a convicted felon access to our U.S. nuclear codes, as well as access to other top secret military information?



Give us the name of the "one" convicted felon that has been "allowed" to serve as U.S. Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military for "almost four years" @Bullseye. (awaiting patiently)

I could have worded that better, as I bet you know.

 

[Deuce]

Bitterpill is a satire handle. He's DPs version of The Onion.

Which is inexplicably condoned by the mods.

 

[Allan]

Which is inexplicably condoned by the mods.

Not against the rules to have a sense of humour.

 

[Bullseye]

Logician Man said:
Should the U.S. Constitution allow a convicted felon to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, which gives a convicted felon access to our U.S. nuclear codes, as well as access to other top secret military information?



Give us the name of the "one" convicted felon that has been "allowed" to serve as U.S. Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military for "almost four years" @Bullseye. (awaiting patiently)

Wasn't his conviction AFTER he left office?

 

[Logician Man]

Wasn't his conviction AFTER he left office?

If you're speaking of Trump, is he now seeking "to become" the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military as a newly "convicted felon"?

 

[element94]

Should the U.S. Constitution allow a convicted felon to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, which gives a convicted felon access to our U.S. nuclear codes, as well as access to other top secret military information?

The new question of the ages, because it never had to be before. That's right people, we've hit the bottom of stupid.

 

[Aurora]

I’m certain he could. Ironically I doubt Trump could. Trump and Xi are good friends? Do you hold that against him? They also gave Ivanka a bunch of patents. Is profiting off nepotism in the White House something you condone now too if we’re talking China?

How much Chicom loot ended up in the biden family?

 

[TangoNoCash]

How much Chicom loot ended up in the biden family?

Dunno. Comer and the clown show couldn’t prove a single thing. You’d think with a crime family there would be lots of crimes. Apparently not.