Comey: "I Was Wrong"

[Paradoxical]

Serious question: who is Carter Page, and what does he have to do with anything?

He is the one who has recently obtained high powered attorneys after the IG report confirmed the FBI intentionally ruined him and is expected to get an award of about 100 million.

Read up on the topic and you'll find out more information

 

[Paradoxical]

Comey....climbing out from under his God Conplex to admit a mistake? That won't last long.

He figures if he agrees with the IG that these were "just' SEVENTEEN "mistakes" he can avoid being prosecuted for sedition and treason.

 

[vesper]

Well thanks, Vesper. You're a tough debater, who's skills I respect.

Yes, I very much do believe I've grown that way. I abhor what Trump (Giuliani, Barr, et al) are doing, and Trump's motivations for doing it. I believe he has pulled the wool over many of his supporter's eyes, and I believe there is much we won't know until he is out of office.

So in this administration when there is doubt, I generally go against Trump. But to be honest, I'm not the only one Vesper. Around half the country, a plurality, feels the same as I do to the point they want him removed. It's not like I'm some radical or oddball. I'm mainstream America. And quite honestly, I believe many of my values are more American than the garbage Trump espouses.

Chomsky in 10 days you and I will be celebrating something we both have in common. Not interested in tearing apart any of your beliefs in regard to Trump or anything else. Your mind is made up as is mine. But let me just take this opportunity in something we both have agreement on and that is the celebration before us. I wish you and yours a joyous Christmas and a wonderful New Year.

 

[Cardinal]

Well, yeah, maybe the "love birds" got a careless but there was not out right "we're going to destroy Trump" messages - Horowitz could only report what was written, not read between the lines. I don't recall any negative texts on Clinton between those two. Got a link?

Pro-trump, to be exact.

The Justice Department's inspector general, Michael Horowitz, uncovered a series of text messages between two FBI agents expressing support for President Donald Trump right after the 2016 US election.

In his report, published Monday, on the origins of the FBI's Russia investigation, Horowitz detailed texts between a handling agent and a co-handling agent on November 9, 2016, rejoicing over Trump's victory the previous day.

"Trump!" the handling agent said.

"Hahaha. S--- just got real," the co-handling agent replied.

"Yes it did," the handling agent said.

The co-handling agent responded: "I saw a lot of scared MFers on ... [my way to work] this morning. Start looking for new jobs fellas. Haha."

DOJ watchdog finds pro-Trump text messages between FBI agents - Business Insider

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

He is the one who has recently obtained high powered attorneys after the IG report confirmed the FBI intentionally ruined him and is expected to get an award of about 100 million.

Read up on the topic and you'll find out more information

Expected by who?

On what grounds will he sue?

 

[Cardinal]

He is the one who has recently obtained high powered attorneys after the IG report confirmed the FBI intentionally ruined him

"We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBI's decision to seek FISA authority on Carter Page. "

-the Horowitz Report

So again: who is Carter Page, and what does he have to do with anything?

 

[Chomsky]

Chomsky in 10 days you and I will be celebrating something we both have in common. Not interested in tearing apart any of your beliefs in regard to Trump or anything else. Your mind is made up as is mine. But let me just take this opportunity in something we both have agreement on and that is the celebration before us. I wish you and yours a joyous Christmas and a wonderful New Year.

Why thank you, Vesper!

Same to you and your family! What a beautiful gesture! :kissy:

Alright, your good act has spurred me on. I'm going on a 10 day Advent campaign to approach this board and my fellow posters with a renewed sense of dignity & respect towards them, as demanded by the Holiday season. Starting ... NOW!

Care to join me? A pact? To celebrate the Christmas spirit on this board? Going into Christmas Week? To see our fellow DP'ers as God's children, our brethren? I'm gonna' do it!

(not that you personally need a pact - you're always respectful)

 

[vesper]

Why thank you, Vesper!

Same to you and your family! What a beautiful gesture! :kissy:

Alright, your good act has spurred me on. I'm going on a 10 day Advent campaign to approach this board and my fellow posters with a renewed sense of dignity & respect towards them, as demanded by the Holiday season. Starting ... NOW!

Care to join me? A pact? To celebrate the Christmas spirit on this board? Going into Christmas Week? To see our fellow DP'ers as God's children, our brethren? I'm gonna' do it!

(not that you personally need a pact - you're always respectful)

Count me in Chomsky!

 

[RenoCon]

I did watch that. The thing you have to understand is that the Carter Page CT is simultaneously the least interesting and the most baffling narrative in the total right wing conspiracy theory universe. If you're a Republican it seems to be a big deal, but to the rest of us it seemed minute and confusing as something that could actually mean anything to anybody. In fact, I've said here multiple times, "So what?" and that has yet to get a coherent response..

I guess you call it a 'conspiracy theory" to be derogatory. Why would you call the whole DNC/Clinton paid for Steele Report leading to a faulty (at best) FISA process that lead to a collusion narrative that was disproven by the Mueller report and yet touted by the Liberals as a reason to impeach the POTUS "the least interesting and the most baffling in the total right wing conspiracy." I am curious as to what you consider the more interesting narratives.

However, the big narratives among republicans are things like the government spying on the trump campaign, or infiltrating it, entrapping Papadoupolos, or starting investigations as a result of bias. Those are the things Comey was talking about, as he explains in that video, because as unwarranted CT's go at least they make sense on some level. But the bad FISA application as a conspiracy theory doesn't make any damn sense. That's why Comey didn't include that in his statement that the FBI was vindicated, and that's why he so quickly admitted that the FISA application process was terrible. .

Comey made his statement in response to the Horowitz Report. He hadn't been heard from for quite a while before that. It is disingenuous to believe that Comey wasn't claiming that the Horowitz Report "vindicated" him. Yes, I get it, it was everybody elses fault, not his, therefore HE is vindicated.

Now before you respond that I'm spinning, which it almost certainly sounds to you like I'm doing right now, remember this: THE FISA WARRANT AGAINST CARTER PAGE AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY MAKES NO DAMN SENSE.

I really don't care if you are spinning. What bothers me is that Comey is parsing words to suggest he has been consistent. You can believe that if you like. I agree that the "FISA WARRANT AGAINST CARTER PAGE AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY MAKES NO DAMN SENSE." There are too many facts that suggest this is not just a "theory." Again, what other 'conspiracies" touted by conservatives do you find more interesting?

 

[apdst]

already did - many times.

No you haven't. Stop lying.

 

[Chomsky]

Count me in Chomsky!

:thumbs:

I'm going to look for a place to start a thread on this. I might not get to it immediately, but I'll see what I can do and where it might go. I'm thinking to sneak it into "general political discussion", but I'm not so sure that's the right place. We'll see.

Anyway, good luck. This is a great idea for a challenge. Though I know you're up to it!

 

[Slartibartfast]

Chomsky in 10 days you and I will be celebrating something we both have in common. Not interested in tearing apart any of your beliefs in regard to Trump or anything else. Your mind is made up as is mine. But let me just take this opportunity in something we both have agreement on and that is the celebration before us. I wish you and yours a joyous Christmas and a wonderful New Year.

only If more conservatives could be like you!

 

[washunut]

Why thank you, Vesper!

Same to you and your family! What a beautiful gesture! :kissy:

Alright, your good act has spurred me on. I'm going on a 10 day Advent campaign to approach this board and my fellow posters with a renewed sense of dignity & respect towards them, as demanded by the Holiday season. Starting ... NOW!

Care to join me? A pact? To celebrate the Christmas spirit on this board? Going into Christmas Week? To see our fellow DP'ers as God's children, our brethren? I'm gonna' do it!

(not that you personally need a pact - you're always respectful)

Disagree without being disagreeable, sign me up! Hope non-Christians can join (just kidding).

 

[Cardinal]

I guess you call it a 'conspiracy theory" to be derogatory. Why would you call the whole DNC/Clinton paid for Steele Report leading to a faulty (at best) FISA process that lead to a collusion narrative that was disproven by the Mueller report and yet touted by the Liberals as a reason to impeach the POTUS "the least interesting and the most baffling in the total right wing conspiracy." I am curious as to what you consider the more interesting narratives.



Comey made his statement in response to the Horowitz Report. He hadn't been heard from for quite a while before that. It is disingenuous to believe that Comey wasn't claiming that the Horowitz Report "vindicated" him. Yes, I get it, it was everybody elses fault, not his, therefore HE is vindicated.



I really don't care if you are spinning. What bothers me is that Comey is parsing words to suggest he has been consistent. You can believe that if you like. I agree that the "FISA WARRANT AGAINST CARTER PAGE AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY MAKES NO DAMN SENSE." There are too many facts that suggest this is not just a "theory." Again, what other 'conspiracies" touted by conservatives do you find more interesting?

When I say that it makes no damn sense, I mean that it makes no sense why you think it's important as it pertains to some broader right wing, pro-trump narrative. In fact, I'd say that outside MAGAville, nobody understands why republicans are harping on the FISA thing to extent that they are.

 

[Athanasius68]

I can't speak to Durham (T.B .D.), but I can speak to the I.G., his report, and the video in your O.P.

That being said - with the much higher bar of proof of evidence in a criminal investigation, in relation to the lower bar of an internal I.G. investigation, why why you believe the much higher criminal bar would be met if the lower bar couldn't?

Two different issues. Horowitz is saying that by the thinnest of reeds used to justify opening of the investigation was justified as per FBI rules. However, Horowitz isn't saying whether it was prudent to have done so.
Barr is questioning whether it was prudent to have done so using the thinnest of reeds. Particularly with all the scorched earth tactics used during the investigation.

 

[Cardinal]

Two different issues. Horowitz is saying that by the thinnest of reeds used to justify opening of the investigation was justified as per FBI rules. However, Horowitz isn't saying whether it was prudent to have done so.
Barr is questioning whether it was prudent to have done so using the thinnest of reeds. Particularly with all the scorched earth tactics used during the investigation.

Citation?

 

[RenoCon]

I think you're really mincing words here, not that I don't enjoy wordsmithing - I do.

But the long & short here, is Horowitz did not produce any evidence of partisanship or intentional wrong-doing, no matter how one would like to present it. It is, what it is.

Just an aside..."It is, what it is" is what the Irishman is told to relay to Jimmy Hoffa suggesting there would be adverse consequences if Hoffa didn't cooperate with the mob. ("I Hear You Paint Houses") I just find this ironic.

 

[Chomsky]

Disagree without being disagreeable, sign me up! Hope non-Christians can join (just kidding).

Any idea where we can start a thread? I'm poking around.

 

[Chomsky]

Just an aside..."It is, what it is" is what the Irishman is told to relay to Jimmy Hoffa suggesting there would be adverse consequences if Hoffa didn't cooperate with the mob. ("I Hear You Paint Houses") I just find this ironic.

Well, words have meaning based upon context.

 

[Trump]

Given his history, Carter was likely a double agent with an emphasis on Putin's needs. And the CIA probably just wanted to keep their enemies closer.

That’s some tinfoil hat stuff.

 

[justabubba]

...and kind of stupid. His inability to navigate politics makes me wonder how he got to be FBI director.

peter principle is my guess

he came up thru the ranks as a good scout and got promoted one level above his capability

 

[US&THEM]

Two different issues. Horowitz is saying that by the thinnest of reeds used to justify opening of the investigation was justified as per FBI rules. However, Horowitz isn't saying whether it was prudent to have done so.
Barr is questioning whether it was prudent to have done so using the thinnest of reeds. Particularly with all the scorched earth tactics used during the investigation.

The FBI can open an investigation in order to document their investigation. There are hundreds of investigations started which are simply closed because there was not enough to charge and/or prosecute.

 

[justabubba]

No I did not. His interview was in stark difference in what IG Horowitz revealed. I hope you go back and read the Horowitz report and watch the testimony because today Comey nailed the last nail in his own coffin.

all that ^

and still unable to post ANY Comey lies

 

[Athanasius68]

there was no lie - or obfuscation - from Comey. as director of a 38,000-employee world-wide organization you expect him to look at the email submitted by a rank-and-file attorney in the routine request for a FISA warrant? Comey acknowledged that the misprocessing of the FISA warrants was an FBI problem in need of a fix. one that he acknowledged was present during his watch; he believed that the FISA process was fully functional and not the dysfunctional activity the IG found it to be. he agreed he had been wrong to insist the FISA process had been followed
my sense is the tRump supporters are angry that Comey was exonerated, and performing - as chris wallace presented it - a victory lap
while Comey won't do it, i will laugh at you guys. it will be good practice for the outcome of the Durham investigation

A FISA request has to be approved by the AG. Its not routine and I would find it hard to believe the FBI director wouldn't review before it went to his boss

 

[Athanasius68]

The FBI can open an investigation in order to document their investigation. There are hundreds of investigations started which are simply closed because there was not enough to charge and/or prosecute.

Should an investigation into a presidential candidate be treated as just one of hundreds?