College football has became a detriment to higher education.

[roguenuke]

Your link contains a serious math problem:





What started as athletic fees being about 10% of tuition costs (at one particular school) somehow became 50% later in the article. Of course, they chose to use JMU as their ‘typical’ example, which appears to have the second highest athletic (tuition) fees of all schools they listed.

Except she didn't say that was her total tuition cost, just how much she has in loans that will be due after graduation. If her total tuition cost is around $100k total, and covered by loans, scholarships, grants, then she would be correct that 10% of the total tuition cost could be $10k, or half of what her loans currently are. And it actually makes sense, since 23k times 4 is $92k and 2340 x 4 = 9360, and that's if she only did 4 years rather than 5 or 6. But $9360 is pretty close to half of $20k, especially if that $20k is rounded up to.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The UK doesn't have this big college sports industry, yet a degree here costs 3-4 times less than a degree in the US.

It's primarily the librul Ivy league universities that charge outrageous tuition in the US. And they do it for the sake over paying outrageous salaries to radical and narccistic professors who spend more time indoctrination students then teaching them.

 

[craig]

It's primarily the librul Ivy league universities that charge outrageous tuition in the US. And they do it for the sake over paying outrageous salaries to radical and narccistic professors who spend more time indoctrination students then teaching them.

Are you referring to Oxford or our US equivalents?

 

[roguenuke]

It's primarily the librul Ivy league universities that charge outrageous tuition in the US. And they do it for the sake over paying outrageous salaries to radical and narccistic professors who spend more time indoctrination students then teaching them.

They have evidence of these fees being charged, specifically covering athletics at these universities within the US.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Are you referring to Oxford or our US equivalents?

Our US equivalents....such as Harvard, Yale, etc.

 

[ralfy]

 

[armycowboy]

It's primarily the librul Ivy league universities that charge outrageous tuition in the US. And they do it for the sake over paying outrageous salaries to radical and narccistic professors who spend more time indoctrination students then teaching them.

Just curious, where did you go to college? I went to James Madison University on a football scholarship. I dropped out my junior year after I cracked a couple of vertebrae in my neck the last game of the season. After I joined the Army I used military assistance to get my Bachelors Degree in Business.

I transfered my post 9/11 college benefits to my daughter. Long story short, she spent her first two years at community College, then used my benefits to get her Bachelors and her Masters. She's a Math Professor at UTSA now and will soon be working on her Docterite Degree in Applied Mathimatics.

Neither of us had radical leftist Professors in college, for **** sake, she's a professor now and she isn't a radical leftist. I don't know where you guys get this bullshit.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Just curious, where did you go to college? I went to James Madison University on a football scholarship. I dropped out my junior year after I cracked a couple of vertebrae in my neck the last game of the season. After I joined the Army I used military assistance to get my Bachelors Degree in Business.

I also financed my way through college on the GI Bill after a tour in the Army. Where I attended is not important. It was not an ivy league university.

I transfered my post 9/11 college benefits to my daughter. Long story short, she spent her first two years at community College, then used my benefits to get her Bachelors and her Masters. She's a Math Professor at UTSA now and will soon be working on her Docterite Degree in Applied Mathimatics.

I wish her fullfillment and prosperity.

Neither of us had radical leftist Professors in college, for **** sake, she's a professor now and she isn't a radical leftist. I don't know where you guys get this bullshit.

But then it appears that neither of you went to Harvard, Yale, or any similar radical institution. As for where 'us guys" get the alleged bullshit:, observe what is now going on at Columbia University and similar institutions and has in the past, where they are apparently not taught the first amendment and shout down guest speakers they do not agree with.

 

[zincwarrior]

The tail is now wagging the dog and hindering the mandate to educate our population.

It has NO connection to education.

 

[eman623]

University are not supposed to be sport businesses. And the cost of an education shows that money sports is not a solution.

They are not supposed to be education businesses either.

 

[Rexedgar]

Disclosure: My heart always will belong to my home state of Georgia and to UGA (where I received my undergrad degree).

I have always respected Alabama among other SEC schools.

The story goes that Bear Bryant, back in the old and golden years of college football, refused a contract from the university because the the salary offered was too high!

If you are old enough to remember those days there were so many great coaches from Ara Parseghian, Duffy Daugherty, Bobby Dodd, Frank Howard, Wally Butts and more. There were so many good coaches who truly loved coaching much more than celebrity.

The University of Alabama offered Bryant a new contract that was more than the President of Alabama was making. Bear Bryant refused. He said that there was no way he should make more than the university president. It wasn't the right thing to do, he said.

The university then asked Bryant what he would propose to be a fair and just salary. Bryant told them he should make $1.00 less than the president.

Look how far we have come today. So much - not all - of the blame rests with the NCAA. I'm sorry to see what college football is rapidly becoming.

With the latest announcement, things are going to get worse, imo.

NCAA and college conferences OK $2.8 billion settlement over antitrust claims

The monumental decision sets the stage for a groundbreaking revenue-sharing model that could start directing millions of dollars directly to athletes as soon as the 2025 fall semester.

www.wuwm.com

 

[Grand Mal]

It's primarily the librul Ivy league universities that charge outrageous tuition in the US. And they do it for the sake over paying outrageous salaries to radical and narccistic professors who spend more time indoctrination students then teaching them.

"...indoctrination students then teaching..."
Ah yes, that famous rightist contempt for 'book-lernin' showing itself.

 

[MAGAnificent]

"...indoctrination students then teaching..."
Ah yes, that famous rightist contempt for 'book-lernin' showing itself.

Nice try....however book learning is wonderful. It's indoctrination that is a problem.

 

[Grand Mal]

Nice try....however book learning is wonderful. It's indoctrination that is a problem.

I didn't have to try. With all your education you wrote, "...spend more time indoctrination students then teaching them." I'm just a dirty-old Ironworker who's post-secondary education started and ended in apprenticeship and I'd never write that.
Ever ask yourself why rightists aren't more involved in higher education? At a policy level. Why you and everyone like you assumes it's a leftist thing?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Ever ask yourself why rightists aren't more involved in higher education?

They are involved in higher education in useful fields, engineering for instance. Perhaps not so much in the liberal arts areas. I'ver known a few individuals with liberal arts degrees that end up working at the state dock unloading bananas or on fishing boats.

 

[Peter]

Our US equivalents....such as Harvard, Yale, etc.

Even though Oxford and Cambridge are among the most famous universities in the world they don't have a sports stadium.
They do have an anual boat race that's been going for a hundred odd years but that doesn't require vast infrastructure.

The Boat Race - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MAGAnificent]

Even though Oxford and Cambridge are among the most famous universities in the world they don't have a sports stadium.
They do have an anual boat race that's been going for a hundred odd years but that doesn't require vast infrastructure.

The Boat Race - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I did some sailboat racing myself back in the 1990s in regattas. However I have no clue about student debt in the UK.

 

[OrphanSlug]

The tail is now wagging the dog and hindering the mandate to educate our population.

Absolutely false, College Football has evolved yet again but as such has started to further chip away at the scam going on between major conferences and the universities. Who themselves overall are raking in Billions per year, where some of those colleges are approaching the 9th figure.

As in $100,000,000... per year... on one sport... in one season.

It is well time to revenue share with those that liberals / progressives used to want to see get more.

 

[Peter]

I did some sailboat racing myself back in the 1990s in regattas. However I have no clue about student debt in the UK.

Yep, student debt is bloody rediculous.
About 15 years ago (I think I could be way off it was when the Lib Dems got into a co-alition with the conservatives) I voted for the Lib Dems as theyre top manifesto pledge was to abolish tuition fees and I think uni should be free for all.
The Lib Dems then got into a co-alition with the conservaties and given the Deputy PM job which is a complete joke of a job and they sold their soul and dropped the no tuition fee pledge.
The party Leader of the lib dems and deputy PM became (Nick Clegg, google the smarmy bastard if you like) so unpopular for this choice after he left the job he basically fled the country and got the job of vice‑president of global affairs and communications at Facebook so screw that wanker.

Right ****ing bunch of bastards!!!!!!!

Just so you know I'm 48 so I'm a bit old for UNI and I doubt they would pay for me even if it was free.

Team GB has been totally dominant at Rowing for a few decades now and we plough a ton of money into it. Yes, it's not the most well watched sport but we seem to be rather good at it. The Veldrome events as well.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Yep, student debt is bloody rediculous.
About 15 years ago (I think I could be way off it was when the Lib Dems got into a co-alition with the conservatives) I voted for the Lib Dems as theyre top manifesto pledge was to abolish tuition fees and I think uni should be free for all.
The Lib Dems then got into a co-alition with the conservaties and given the Deputy PM job which is a complete joke of a job and they sold their soul and dropped the no tuition fee pledge.
The party Leader of the lib dems and deputy PM became (Nick Clegg, google the smarmy bastard if you like) so unpopular for this choice after he left the job he basically fled the country and got the job of vice‑president of global affairs and communications at Facebook so screw that wanker.

Right ****ing bunch of bastards!!!!!!!

Just so you know I'm 48 so I'm a bit old for UNI and I doubt they would pay for me even if it was free.

I do recall hearing of public protests in the UK over the level of government funding of college education.

 

[Peter]

I do recall hearing of public protests in the UK over the level of government funding of college education.

The average debt of students in England (Scotland has free uni) is £45k which is just bloody stupid and would certainly make me think twice if I were about to start.

The government has been conservative for 14 years now and we went through a decade of austerity where public spending was severely restricted to try to pay the debt so yes, there have been quite a few protests about funding and public sector workers just not getting pay rises.

 

[Bodi]

No. Forty rears ago football was still a collegiate sport. Now it is a media money grab.

In the 80's Bear Bryant's salary skyrocketed to half a million a year.

 

[Bodi]

who gives a shit about college football?

 

[bomberfox]

That was a huge problem with my school, sports were always financed better than schools because schools are now businesses…

 

[bomberfox]

who gives a shit about college football?

Ever been to Alabama?….. The Iron Bowl is like the hottest thing goin.