(CNN) Trump says he wants to rename Veterans Day to ‘Victory Day for World War I’ (1 Viewer)

[Hamish Howl]

I was thinking WWII, but yeah, that's why it was changed to Veterans' Day, to be more inclusive (a major reason anyway). It is stupid and pointless to go back.

See, now the MAGAs are all gonna get hives.

 

[Rexedgar]

Why celebrate victory in WWII on VE Day? What the hell happened to VJ Day?

Maybe Trump never heard of it.

Those are for grabbing!

 

[BabaVoss]

Donnie needs to quite renaming stuff - just because he can. It's stupid and costly.

 

[roguenuke]

See, now the MAGAs are all gonna get hives.

Honestly, as stupid as it sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if that was mentioned somewhere that it was changed to be "more inclusive" and they automatically said "well that needs to be changed back to the original intent". No reason actually involved just to do the opposite of "inclusive".

 

[Hamish Howl]

Why celebrate victory in WWII on VE Day? What the hell happened to VJ Day?

Maybe Trump never heard of it.

America never celebrates its victories. Just defeats and tragedies.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Honestly, as stupid as it sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if that was mentioned somewhere that it was changed to be "more inclusive" and they automatically said "well that needs to be changed back to the original intent". No reason actually involved just to do the opposite of "inclusive".

There certainly is if someone is a fascist. Fascism cannot survive inclusion, because it relies on a domestic enemy.

 

[Chomsky]

“Veterans Day” was originally Armistice Day - a federal holiday to celebrate the end of WW1. Sounds like Trump is just taking it back to its roots.

While he removes commemoration for our Veterans.

 

[Chomsky]

He's not actually wrong.

It was originally Armistice Day, celebrating the end of WWI.

Memorial Day is for everyone else.

Veterans' Day =/= Memorial Day!

There's good reason Armistice Day was changed to Veterans' Day. And in one fell swoop, Trump is removing our Commemoration for Veterans of other wars besides WW-I, which includes that of several men in my family.

And this done by a guy that dodged the Draft, where he might know better if he had picked-up a rifle and served his country like the rest of his generation.

 

[Napoleon]

While he removes commemoration for our Veterans.

I think our victories in WWI and WWII should have their own holidays. Memorial Day is fine for the remainder since we arguably lost those conflicts.

 

[Chomsky]

I think our victories in WWI and WWII should have their own holidays. Memorial Day is fine for the remainder since we arguably lost those conflicts.

While I kinda' get the sentiments, then what about our other wars or future wars?

I think your suggestion is cumbersome overkill.

To commemorate all our vets in a memorial holiday would - in my mind - dilute the specific commemoration of those that made the ultimate sacrifice, which is what Memorial Day is all about. That sacrifice should be reflected in a solemn unique event.

But we also need to recognize & pay tribute to our vets, and Veterans day does just that.

By having these two days, we have a open-ended structure that does what it needs to in a fixed fashion that will never need be changed to accommodate future unforeseen events, and properly delineates serving one's country from making the ultimate sacrifice.

 

[Napoleon]

While I kinda' get the sentiments, then what about our other wars or future wars?

I think your suggestion is cumbersome overkill.

To commemorate all our vets in a memorial holiday would - in my mind - dilute the specific commemoration of those that made the ultimate sacrifice, which is what Memorial Day is all about. That sacrifice should be reflected in a solemn unique event.

But we also need to recognize & pay tribute to our vets, and Veterans day does just that.

By having these two days, we have a open-ended structure that does what it needs to in a fixed fashion that will never need be changed to accommodate future unforeseen events, and properly delineates serving one's country from making the ultimate sacrifice.

Our other wars? I get holidays to honor our victories. I get holidays to honor the victorious dead. I don’t understand the desire for a holiday to honor participation in conflicts we lost. Why celebrate a national embarrassment? That’s what it is when we get down to brass tacks and it’s really unfair on the victors of WWI and WW2 to have to share a holiday with them.

 

[Chomsky]

Idiot Traitor Trump does not have the authority to designate or change the names given to American national holidays. That authority belongs to Congress.

Apparently someone informed Traitor Trump of the fact, and the next day his press secretary clarified the administration’s official position, saying “we are not renaming Veteran's Day”.

As a retired service member, I have mostly moved past getting pissed-off by the pathetic draft dodger’s unqualified comments regarding anything military (although, I’ll never forgive any of his insults against McCain, “woke generals”, “suckers and losers” and the like).

And I don’t think anyone needs to be a vet to be wholeheartedly against this dumbass Traitor Trump “proclamation”.

I myself initially considered Trump in 2016, after he came down the escalator that May. But by June he did several acts that were unthinkable, that immediate changed my mind.

Two of those unthinkable acts were the McCain attacks and the Gold Star Family attacks (a third was the Mexican Judge attacks).

I was totally taken away, that after those attacks Trump's status within the GOP field continued to inexplicably rise.

These type of public acts by our leadership were never tolerated before. We, as a society, lost something there. And it started a downward slope that has led us to the unimaginable places to which we are now.

I've had several family members presented with Betsy Ross' fine embroidery, upon the burial of their men. Including the wife of the man that gave me my name. I have several still alive, that when their time comes they will also leave this world with Old Glory presented to their next of kin.

So yeah, it hurts me to see our recent events. It really does.

 

[Chomsky]

Our other wars? I get holidays to honor our victories. I get holidays to honor the victorious dead. I don’t understand the desire for a holiday to honor participation in conflicts we lost. Why celebrate a national embarrassment? That’s what it is when we get down to brass tacks and it’s really unfair on the victors of WWI and WW2 to have to share a holiday with them.

You're not honoring "conflicts lost".

You're honoring those that served.

 

[Napoleon]

You're not honoring "conflicts lost".

You're honoring those that served.

In conflicts they lost. Losing is their service. I don’t think the national embarrassment of losing a war/conflict is a service to be honored and certainly not alongside WW1 and WW2 service. Maybe you think that just enlisting is deserving of honor and we should ignore the outcomes of their service but I don’t think so.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I myself initially considered Trump in 2016, after he came down the escalator that May. But by June he did several acts that were unthinkable, that immediate changed my mind.

Two of those unthinkable acts were the McCain attacks and the Gold Star Family attacks (a third was the Mexican Judge attacks).

I was totally taken away, that after those attacks Trump's status within the GOP field continued to inexplicably rise.

These type of public acts by our leadership were never tolerated before. We, as a society, lost something there. And it started a downward slope that has led us to the unimaginable places to which we are now.

I've had several family members presented with Betsy Ross' fine embroidery, upon the burial of their men. Including the wife of the man that gave me my name. I have several still alive, that when their time comes they will also leave this world with Old Glory presented to their next of kin.

So yeah, it hurts me to see our recent events. It really does.

It does hurt and it’s often frustrating as hell.

Gonna take a very long time just to get back to where we were as a country after Traitor Trump is finally gone.

I hope to live long enough see it.

 

[Chomsky]

It does hurt and it’s often frustrating as hell.

Gonna take a very long time just to get back to where we were as a country after Traitor Trump is finally gone.

I hope to live long enough see it.

But do we "go back"?

Society's slides usually don't revert. At least that's what I believe I've seen.

I look back at the behaviours & norms of previous generations, and all I see is a steady slide in terms of what is acceptable public behaviour. Ditto for the Overton Window.

Due to Trump's extremely rapid decline in norms and their huge magnitude, perhaps there might be a slight reversal with a change in power. But for most norms, I believe the genie's out of the bottle.

 

[poweRob]

(CNN) Trump says he wants to rename Veterans Day to ‘Victory Day for World War I’
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It seems the President desires to rename Veterans' Day to "Victory Day for World War I". Apparently, in an effort to promote 'recognition' for America's 'Victory'.

In an effort to keep my Breaking News OP's 'news-centric' (rather than opinionated), I'll defer my personal opinion on this matter to the posts further in the thread.

I suspect many of us will indeed have opinions on this matter.

I'd particularly like to hear what veterans themselves opine.

Well we all know he wouldn't want a holiday celebrating the defeat of Hitler.

 

[Questerr]

In conflicts they lost. Losing is their service. I don’t think the national embarrassment of losing a war/conflict is a service to be honored and certainly not alongside WW1 and WW2 service. Maybe you think that just enlisting is deserving of honor and we should ignore the outcomes of their service but I don’t think so.

Thank you for confirming Trump supporters hate veterans.

 

[Parker_Chess]

This feels like a total non-story. Who cares if it's Veterans Day or Victory Day?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

But do we "go back"?

Society's slides usually don't revert. At least that's what I believe I've seen.

Been about 160 years since an even bigger challenge to returning to at least something adjacent to the previous relative unity among Americans, but we did, with much acknowledged pains, succeed and grow stronger.

I look back at the behaviours & norms of previous generations, and all I see is a steady slide in terms of what is acceptable public behaviour. Ditto for the Overton Window.

I suspect our perspectives of changing norms are probably similar. An example; Over my lifetime (born in last “boomer” year), I believe we’ve lost a lot in the way what I consider the simple good manners taught to us by our parents, grandparents, and other respected adults, but we’ve also become much more open minded and accepting of people that some of our parents, grandparents, and other respected adults treated very poorly.

Due to Trump's extremely rapid decline in norms and their huge magnitude, perhaps there might be a slight reversal with a change in power. But for most norms, I believe the genie's out of the bottle.

Despite Traitor Trump’s success at conning enough Americans to put him in the Oval Office twice, he has never been a popular President.

Consistently, more Americans have disapproved of him as both a person and a leader than those who do.

I believe that once we’re finally rid of him, his MAGAt movement will begin to die, aided by the reversal of his anti-American/constitutional EO’s and dismissal of his MAGAt appointees.

We won’t ever be “the same”, but we’ll be a helluva lot better than now, and get better over time like we’ve done before.