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CNN Poll: 7 in 10 who watched say Biden's speech left them feeling optimistic

iguanaman said:
Yes people can be unscrupulous and greedy. The one term mistake is a good example of that. That is not the Govt. and we can prevent and punish such things with Govt. laws. Actually military spending is the most wasteful and least effective of all Govt. spending too. You really have no clue do you?


https://ilsr.org/why-is-the-most-wasteful-government-agency-not-part-of-the-deficit-discussion/
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Another ignorant response. You are not even on point with this one.
 
Kushinator said:
Review the national income product account identity for output. Next, explain what happens when government revenue < government expenditure. Now apply that to our current situation.

The only fact you've displayed is your ignorance of political economy....
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Don't try to bend this to fit your argument. We are talking about production. Where do I go to buy a U.S. government car? Some milk? Maybe have them refinish my hardwood floors? They produce nothing.
 
Tahuyaman said:
How so?
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the answer is obvious

deplorables work against progress, they are destructive to the our country, they support policies that weaken us both economically and militarily in the world.

they threaten our freedoms and our constitution

they insist that slaughter be a continued concern

so much bad with them...
 
noonereal said:
the answer is obvious

deplorables work against progress, they are destructive to the our country, they support policies that weaken us both economically and militarily in the world.

they threaten our freedoms and our constitution

they insist that slaughter be a continued concern

so much bad with them...
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That's just mindless drivel.
 
Anthony60 said:
That's not producing anything, just money transfers.
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From where I see it, that seems like a rather odd thing to say. This is not just a money transfer- it's a huge step in getting the public health of our nation more in line with other economically developed nations of the world:

"When the major ACA coverage provisions went into effect in 2014, the number of uninsured and uninsured rate dropped dramatically and continued to fall through 2016 when just under 27 million people (10.0% of the nonelderly population) lacked coverage "
www.kff.org

Key Facts about the Uninsured Population | KFF

This issue brief describes trends in health coverage in 2023, examines the characteristics of the uninsured population ages 0-64, and summarizes the access and financial implications of not having coverage.
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iguanaman said:
By a wide margin, speech-watchers said that Biden's policy proposals would move the country in the right direction (73%) rather than the wrong direction (27%). In a survey conducted before the speech, the same people were a bit less bullish that Biden would lead in the right direction (67% right direction, 33% wrong direction), and that movement came from the independents and Republicans who watched the speech. Among Republicans, the share saying Biden's policies would move the country in the right direction grew from 13% pre-speech to 27% post-speech, while among independents, that percentage rose from 61% to 73%.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/28/politics/cnn-poll-biden-speech-to-congress/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold

So did Biden really swing more Republicans to his side with his speech? That was his aim and it appears it worked. All I know is that when such a majority of American (73%) think this is how we should move it will be suicide for the GOP to stand in his way. So are Republicans suicidal or not? I think they have been acting suicidal since the one term mistake was in office. They don't care what the majorities want that is for sure. They pretend they know better and seem to be betting on establishing an autocracy where what the people want is immaterial.
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I think you're interpretation of the data is flawed. It doesn't account for those that didn't watch and those that did watch were already onboard with Joe.
 
Anthony60 said:
Don't try to bend this to fit your argument. We are talking about production. Where do I go to buy a U.S. government car? Some milk? Maybe have them refinish my hardwood floors? They produce nothing.
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🤣

The government doesn't need to produce goods... that's what they private sector is for. Your response is classic ignorance.
 
What the OP really says:

CNN Poll: Way too many who watched say Biden's speech left them feeling apprehensive.​

 
smallvoice said:
What the OP really says:

CNN Poll: Way too many who watched say Biden's speech left them feeling apprehensive.​

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Notice that the left posts anything they believe is positive that Biden does ignoring the ratings for that speech which like liberal results destroys their narrative
 
Another thread off the rails... 🍿
 
Anthony60 said:
You must be joking. You think running a printing press creates wealth? You are more ignorant than I thought.
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Isn't liberalism a great ideology, get everything you want paid for by someone else, liberal results are never touted because those results destroy the narrative
 
ataraxia said:
I thought we were in an engaging discussion on the possible limits of pure free markets. And then you just throw this in there? Does that really make any sense to you?

It makes me think what’s really bugging you is not the issues at all. Trump could be saying and doing the exact same things Biden is doing and saying and you would probably be totally OK with it. You would even be cheering and defending it. None of it would be “socialism”, would it? This is more of a cult of personality.

That makes sense now. I mean look what has become the official platform of the Republican Party- it basically just says “whatever Trump says”. And anything besides what he wants and says is, by definition, communist socialist Muslim fascist Nazi Maoist Mexican immigrant tyranny.

You know, the reason I spend time on these forums is because occasionally it helps me gain some insight into and learn the “other side of the argument”. It’s flashes of insight into the other side of the argument like this that make it all worthwhile. Thank you.
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Here is the problem for the left, Trump promoted the private sector, Biden, Obama and liberalism promotes the public sector, which one made this country great, private or public? You seem to have a problem recognizing liberal results vs private sector results and the fact that results in California and NY, the two biggest blue states in the nation gave us rich liberals elites with very little if any getting to the people of those states. Is that what liberalism promotes?
 
MTAtech said:
Your interpretation is warped, as usual. The question was "do you think Donald Trump was one of the worse presidents in U.S. history?" 83% of Democrats, 13% of Republicans and 43% of Independents said yes. That has nothing to do with 'support <for> an ideology that creates tent cities, homelessness, high cost of living, poor quality of life, and total destruction of incentives.'

Your idea that unless you are a full-fledged Trump supporter, you believe in all kinds of nonsensical things, is as idiotic as it sounds.

As time goes on, you make less and less sense overall.
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The interpretation of your biased partisan poll numbers without context just goes to show the hatred the left has for anyone who has the gall to take on the liberal establishment. How can anyone support an ideology that destroys incentive and creates the results we see in California and NY as it affects the citizens of the state not the elite of the state. How can the fifth largest economy in the world generate the worst social results in the country? You ought to be ashamed of yourself promoting this fraud!
 
maybe, as the current Administration leads the country out of the mess left by the last Administration, we can have some like of treats or trophies for the fans of the last Administration. something to pacify them.

or maybe just cut their cable feed.
 
MTAtech said:
You do it again. What does my post #486, which was about the recognition that unionism, which ushered in pensions, created the middle class, and that as unionism declined, the top tax brackets captured more of national income, have anything to do with "class envy, jealousy, and hatred for the private sector?"

Unionism is a private sector solution to the problem of unbalanced business power. Owners of factories spoke with one voice, while workers were divided. Unions gave workers the power to negotiate one voice to one voice and won such things as the weekend, pensions, medical coverage, vacations, sick pay, worker safety and more. All those things have nothing to do with class envy, jealousy, and hatred for the private sector.

It gets really tired when you go off on your unhinged rants about unrelated subjects.

This is what my post said:
"That’s nonsense. Pensions didn’t destroy the middle class, they helped the middle class.

The middle class grew because of unionism, the minimum wage, and a progressive tax system. Movement conservatism attacked all of those with predictable results.

This is a chart showing the share of income going to the top 10% and unionism. As unionism declined the share going to the top increased."
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Unionism and many of the liberal programs don't seem to have a sunset and although beneficial at the time have outlived their usefulness unless you believe having union leadership making six digit salaries and producing nothing beneficial to the workers. You and so many others spread propaganda without and without posting results supporting your rhetoric. To you it is all about individuals receiving benefit from someone else's hard work and individual wealth creation. I learned growing up to work hard and respect others wanting to be like others so I could take care of my family. Unlike you I don't want something paid for by someone else's efforts although your entitlement mentality certainly has no problem doing that calling it greed to keep more of what earns but not greed taking from someone else.

You better get used to being unhinged because I am going to continue to show you to be the true hypocrite that liberals are
 
Conservative said:
The interpretation of your biased partisan poll numbers without context just goes to show the hatred the left has for anyone who has the gall to take on the liberal establishment. How can anyone support an ideology that destroys incentive and creates the results we see in California and NY as it affects the citizens of the state not the elite of the state. How can the fifth largest economy in the world generate the worst social results in the country? You ought to be ashamed of yourself promoting this fraud!
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Let's dissect your post, one-by-one:
"your biased partisan poll numbers without context"
First, it isn't my poll. It's a PBS, NPR, Marist poll. You conclude it is "biased" because you don't like the results.
Second, "without context." What context do you need when asking people to categorize how good they think Trump was as president?

"just goes to show the hatred the left has for anyone who has the gall to take on the liberal establishment."
First, what does this have to do with the 'left?' This was a commercial poll of a sample of Americans. Had the poll concluded the opposite would you take equal umbrage?
Second, the poll wasn't conducted by the "liberal establishment," which goes without saying.
Third, what hatred? It's a poll.

"How can anyone support an ideology that destroys incentive and creates the results we see in California and NY as it affects the citizens of the state not the elite of the state. How can the fifth largest economy in the world generate the worst social results in the country? You ought to be ashamed of yourself promoting this fraud!"
Again, this was a poll, and all the blather you wrote above has nothing to do with the pollsters or the polled. It's just your projection, once again. Your post is completely incoherent.
 
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