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(CNBC) Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards

dcsports said:
Agreeing to reasonable demands to address a problem they admitted to isn't appeasement. It's a silly assessment, which is why you are now dodging the question and lobbing insults.
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This is not a good faith argument.

You know it, I know it, we all know it.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
The "From the river to the sea" people are advocating no less than a Hitlerian position. The make-believe Hamas supporters are endorsing the "Wipe Israel from the face of the earth" objective. Is it "the flow of information between people" to act against Jewish students at an American university in support of a mass murder goal?
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This is gibberish.

What are you trying to to say?
 
dcsports said:
What are they going to fight? The University messed up. Their own task force came to the conclusion that the university had a problem, and they failed to respond to concerns. The president of the university resigned over it. The office of Civil Rights at DHHS concluded they violated the student's civil rights back in May - bringing up many of the same points that the internal task force noted.

The university has to show that it's taking steps to fix the problem - something they've already started to do. Why would they not just work to 'remedy the areas of non-compliance'?

www.yahoo.com

Jewish Columbia students were chased out of dorms, spat on, and pinned against walls: damning report

Jewish and Israeli students at Columbia University endured harassment, threats and assault attending the school in the wake of Oct. 7, a new report found.
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Well I will admit, the assertions in the Yahoo article you linked, if accurate, are unacceptable.
 
j brown's body said:
So you can't provide any examples.
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It's not the job of other people to keep you informed of events in your own country.
j brown's body said:
If this happened in the past, why didn't Trump do this then?
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The problem has been brought to Columbia's attention and they've produced some reports. Apparently those reports aren't satisfactory, so Trump is using the proverbial "4 by 4 upside the head" approach.
j brown's body said:
Because it's not about anti-semetism. It's about attacking higher education
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Yeah, yeah, yada, yada, yada.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
The "From the river to the sea" people are advocating no less than a Hitlerian position. The make-believe Hamas supporters are endorsing the "Wipe Israel from the face of the earth" objective. Is it "the flow of information between people" to act against Jewish students at an American university in support of a mass murder goal?
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Yeah, yeah, keep using Hitler and the Holocaust as a cause to advocate Zionist exceptionalism. Genocide only happened to European Jews, so it's only fitting that their descendants get to ethnically cleanse people who've inhabited the land we now call Israel since before the Roman empire expanded into the region.
 
aociswundumho said:
I totally agree, but the federal government does not. Here's the law:
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My comments were not towards the university discriminating, but to the students claiming harassment not being immune from free speech that makes them uncomfortable.

aociswundumho said:
If the Jewish students are being truthful, and Columbia didn't do anything about it, then yes, they violated title 6.

Just imagine if it were black students being harassed by white students. I'm pretty sure then Columbia would have taken swift, and merciless action.
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My understanding is the University proactively addressed the issues had identified, and reached-out to Trump to identify & address his gradiences, but Trump hasn't communicated with them.

Here:

www.bbc.com

Columbia University agrees to several Trump demands

The Trump administration has warned 60 universities funding may be cut if they do not address allegations of antisemitism on campuses.
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Chomsky said:
Yes, but what specific incident(s) is the Administration claiming?
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What's the matter with you guys? Don't you read news? Even MSNBC and CNN have shown the "demonstrations."
Chomsky said:
Columbia claims they've agree to acquiesce to Trump demands
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The BBC article you referenced mentions program changes and the prohibition of masks during demonstrations, but it doesn't say anything about discipline or control of the demonstrations. (They may have done something that the article doesn't mention.)
 
Of course Columbia doesn't meet the lofty educational standards set by Trump University - but very few schools do.



Thankfully.

Trump will spend every waking day he's not on the golf course, getting even with one entity, person or another. He is so ****ed up in the head, he is blinded by his rage.

www.nytimes.com

Decades Ago, Columbia Refused to Pay Trump $400 Million

A quarter-century ago, the university was looking to expand. It considered, and rejected, property owned by Donald Trump. He did not forget it.
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aociswundumho said:
Good questions. I did some research and there have been several court cases concerning title 6, but what it comes down to is what the court calls "deliberate indifference". To me that means they have to acknowledge the problem exists and at least try to solve it. It seems they didn't do either.
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Well how. ? They state publically that they’ve investigated that they won’t tolerate it in classrooms etc.

In dorms is one thing. In classrooms okay but this is people out on a street not controlled by the college. It’s literally in New York City and anyone can walk on.

Basically it seems that the only issue is that Columbia is letting people protest in support of Palestine . Which frankly they should be allowed to do , just as people can protest in support of Israel.
 
The key point here is that this lady, whose sole qualification to weigh in on educational matters is that she is the wife of the founder of a pro wrestling enterprise that made a lot of money, does not actually have the say on accreditation. She can send a letter stating the obvious -- that Columbia has to avoid discrimination and intimidation against students based on race. But what happens is between Columbia and the NGO Middle States Commission on Higher Education. An organization which has very little to gain from the humiliation and abandonment of higher education, technology, research, and philosophical inquiry in the United States.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
This is gibberish.

What are you trying to to say?
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I'm saying that the very people, the American left, who so loudly and so often refer to people on the right as being "Nazis" and "Hitlers" are supporting genocide against the Jews, on the same scale as the real Hitler's efforts, when they support the Hamas objective of wiping Israel from the face of the earth.
 
jaeger19 said:
Basically it seems that the only issue is that Columbia is letting people protest in support of Palestine.
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If that were true, why aren't they threatening each and every one of us with fifteen years to life for reading an article on Al-Jazeera, let alone working there? Palestine is nothing but an excuse. They are looking to degrade the academic position of the U.S. in the world, and it is hard to see what they can meaningfully get out of it except for satisfaction that they are getting one over on people too smart to believe their patter. But there will be no satisfaction for anyone when the avian flu comes to town: liberal, conservative, apathetic, or radical, all will die or weep over the dying together.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Over the last couple of years. I didn't write down the dates and times, but google can probably take you to a list of them.
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See, that's the problem many of us see with the anti-Columbia arguments presented here. Plenty of high-level generalized assertions, but rarely any specificity.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Because there are apparently stupid people who think the law doesn't apply to their favorites.
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What law did Columbia break? Can you direct me to the post where you answered this question?
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
They did mess up. But not in the way you think.

It'll be a generation before Columbia's reputation recovers for their attempts at appeasement. They should have known better.
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Acquiescing to Trump's overtures never works, and only makes the situation worse for the victims.
 
j brown's body said:
So you can't provide any examples.

If this happened in the past, why didn't Trump do this then?

Because it's not about anti-semetism. It's about attacking higher education, which goes along with his attacks on the judicuary and on media. Any institution in a position to challenge his power.
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Exactly.

If Trump's attacks on Harvard were about "student terrorist's", why would he be letting them transfer to other universities?
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
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And you were just a few posts ago pretending that you didn't know what I meant by "appeasement."
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In addition I don't see any substantive discrepancy between his sources and my claim.
 
bythoughts said:
If that were true, why aren't they threatening each and every one of us with fifteen years to life for reading an article on Al-Jazeera, let alone working there?
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Well frankly I think they would if they could. Trump and company have been deporting academics who support Palestine and I believe one of their criteria for Columbia was to have government supervision of their Middle East curriculum etc.
bythoughts said:
Palestine is nothing but an excuse. They are looking to degrade the academic position of the U.S. in the world, and it is hard to see what they can meaningfully get out of it except for satisfaction that they are getting one over on people too smart to believe their patter
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Well, quite frankly I think that one day we will find out that Putin groomed trump to be a patsy decades ago and now it’s come to fruition as trump is actively reducing our cy capacity, reducing our economy, reducing our soft power in the world and provoking allies and weakening alliances.
bythoughts said:
. But there will be no satisfaction for anyone when the avian flu comes to town: liberal, conservative, apathetic, or radical, all will die or weep over the dying together.
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trixare4kids said:
Exactly.
Sad that this needs to be pointed out to many who should know better.
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Yes. But the Administration has to show specific instances where the law was broken.

As far as I can tell, there's been only one set of charges specifically brought in regards to an attack Jewish person, and it was later found to be a fake claim and the charges were withdrawn.
 
trixare4kids said:
Ouch!

Thanks for the refreshing honesty. This thread needs some.
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Congressional leaders at a State of the Union Address have no bearing on the content of my OP and subsequent posts in this thread.
 
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