(CNBC) Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards

[Kelby]

They did mess up. But not in the way you think.

It'll be a generation before Columbia's reputation recovers for their attempts at appeasement. They should have known better.

I guess those "eggheads" didn't learn their lesson about bullies in junior high.

 

[dcsports]

The only mistake they made was capitulating to Trump's demands. For the number of Jews in Columbia's leadership,

[deflection removed]

Their own task force - in 2024 (Biden was president) documented the issue. Columbia was taking steps to address the problem then.

Again, care to explain how this is "appeasement"?

 

[j brown's body]

Over the last couple of years. I didn't write down the dates and times, but google can probably take you to a list of them.

So you can't provide any examples.

If this happened in the past, why didn't Trump do this then?

Because it's not about anti-semetism. It's about attacking higher education, which goes along with his attacks on the judicuary and on media. Any institution in a position to challenge his power.

 

[multivita-man]

I mean... as long as institutions take federal money, the federal government will have the power to take it away.

As long as the institutions receive administrative due process (i.e., the same administrative fairness) that other institutions receive, then there's no problem. I think that's an open question, and I'm using question liberally here.

1. It is good that Columbia face serious consequences in the face of it's behavior. If it had been black students or Muslim students being treated this way,

Treated how?

By whom?

Which students/people were victimized and for what purpose?

As the former school president said, context matters.

2. However, it does indeed set a precedent for this kind of power to be used by the next Democrat Administration. Expect schools who don't allow males to play in female sports (or something similar) to face similar accreditation threats in the future.

Stupid post. You usually post better, but this is just sitting on the porch with a Budweiser and yelling at the kids to stay off your lawn.

 

[Chomsky]

The action isn't based on one person's word. It's based on a specific law, Title VI of the Federal Civil Rights act.

That's the law.

Yes, but what specific incident(s) is the Administration claiming? And what specific remedy is the Administration prescribing?

Columbia claims they've agree to acquiesce to Trump demands and informed him of such, but Trump hasn't communicated with them and they don't know what he's demanding.

Here:

Columbia University agrees to several Trump demands

The Trump administration has warned 60 universities funding may be cut if they do not address allegations of antisemitism on campuses.

www.bbc.com

 

[Pyrite]

(CNBC) Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards
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I'm not eager to add a third thread in one day, into the busy Breaking News Forum. But, I felt this news item was too important to pass over.

It appears the Trump Administration has found Columbia University does not meet accreditation standards, and has informed the relevant accreditation agency (Middle States Commission on Higher Education) of the violation.

This is huge. Accreditation is required to receive Pell Grants & Student Loans, and even determines whether degrees and transfer credits will be accepted by other academic institutions, professional societies, and in Industry.

I'm blown-away that the future of an academic institution is at the hands a government administrative determination.

Making the USA much less intelligent, much less successful....this is what MAGA wants.

 

[phoenix2020]

Donald TACOs on Harvard and thus must now now focus on Columbia until he TACOs there as well sometime late next week?

 

[Chomsky]

Who is "them?" You guys?

I had the same exact question!

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Their own task force - in 2024 (Biden was president) documented the issue. Columbia was taking steps to address the problem then.

Again, care to explain how this is "appeasement"?

Feynman almost went to Columbia, but was turned away. That was the last time Columbia pulled a Chamberlain and let the American Right dictate their policies.

 

[jaeger19]

Let's hear from the students themselves:

Yeah. Here is my question. Why is the university responsible for this. Is this not the responsibility of the police?

I mean it’s terrible that they walk to classes and here “ blank Jews” but what is their expectation of the university particularly with an open campus in New York City?

That there should be campus police at every section to try and catch whoever tells out a slur, then determine if they are a student etc?

What is the expectation here?

 

[dcsports]

Yes, but what specific incident(s) is the Administration claiming? and what specific remedy would the Administration prescribe?

Columbia claims they've agree to acquiesce to Trump demands and informed him of such, but Trump hasn't communicated with them and they don't know what he's demanding.

Here:

Columbia University agrees to several Trump demands

The Trump administration has warned 60 universities funding may be cut if they do not address allegations of antisemitism on campuses.

www.bbc.com

Your article says otherwise:

Friday's memo from the university comes after the Trump administration gave Columbia a list of nine items that were required before it would reconsider the $400m in funding.

Columbia has agreed to much of the demands, but the Trump administration is yet to respond and it is unclear if the funding will be restored.

Here is the letter

 

[dcsports]

Feynman almost went to Columbia, but was turned away. That was the last time Columbia pulled a Chamberlain and let the American Right dictate their policies.

So, you can't, and are resorting to unrelated comments and speculation.

Take care.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Your article says otherwise:



Here is the letter

And you were just a few posts ago pretending that you didn't know what I meant by "appeasement."

 

[phoenix2020]

Yes, but what specific incident(s) is the Administration claiming? And what specific remedy is the Administration prescribing?

Columbia claims they've agree to acquiesce to Trump demands and informed him of such, but Trump hasn't communicated with them and they don't know what he's demanding.

Here:

Columbia University agrees to several Trump demands

The Trump administration has warned 60 universities funding may be cut if they do not address allegations of antisemitism on campuses.

www.bbc.com

This is above @RetiredAtLast's paygrade. Remember, his job is simply to repeat the talking points. It's not his role nor responsibility to explain them, defend them or provide evidence to back them up. Donald told him to say that Columbia is Mean, so he's going to tell everyone within shouting distance that Columbia is so Mean.

 

[j brown's body]

Let's hear from the students themselves:

How old are the issues they are talking about?

 

[trixare4kids]

The action isn't based on one person's word. It's based on a specific law, Title VI of the Federal Civil Rights act.

That's the law.

Exactly.
Sad that this needs to be pointed out to many who should know better.

 

[Chomsky]

If you want to help Trump strengthen his movement by trolling the left into taking unpopular positions on 80/20 issues... that is one way to do it.

Remember Democrats refusing to applaud a kid for beating cancer, because it as Trump honoring him? - slightly facetiously - Don't be Democrats who stand united against children surviving cancer just because it's Trump honoring them.

I appreciate your injecting this ethos into the conversation. Thank you.

FWIW - I'm happy to give Trump credit where due, for things I believe are good.

But given he's acting as an autocrat, beating on the institutions I cherish, while thumbing his nose at the Constitution & Courts, yeah - I want his agenda stopped - and I believe all of us that believe as such should present a unified voice and are most empowered as such.

Sorry to say, but when Trump turned his back on the courts - it became "us against him". You don't see that?

 

[trixare4kids]

If you want to help Trump strengthen his movement by trolling the left into taking unpopular positions on 80/20 issues... that is one way to do it.

Remember Democrats refusing to applaud a kid for beating cancer, because it as Trump honoring him? - slightly facetiously - Don't be Democrats who stand united against children surviving cancer just because it's Trump honoring them.

Ouch!

Thanks for the refreshing honesty. This thread needs some.

 

[dcsports]

And you were just a few posts ago pretending that you didn't know what I meant by "appeasement."

I was asking what YOU were talking about.

Agreeing to reasonable demands to address a problem they admitted to isn't appeasement. It's a silly assessment, which is why you are now dodging the question and lobbing insults.

 

[multivita-man]

Unfortunately, they claim Trump is not communicating with them and they don't know what his demands are.

He wants to destroy their academic freedom and independence. That's pretty much it.

Look, there's a reason MAGA's attacking Ivy League schools. Nobody cares if this Montana State has an antisemitism problem because it's not an influential school. It doesn't turn lawyers, doctors, jurists, entrepreneurs, and civic/political years the way that Ivy League schools do. MAGA wants the most influential institutions in the US (the world, actually) to churn out graduates who are going to reinforce MAGA values (i.e., no values of their own) and propagate propaganda and lies that reinforce MAGA mythology...or at least don't stand in its way.

 

[j brown's body]

The action isn't based on one person's word. It's based on a specific law, Title VI of the Federal Civil Rights act.

That's the law.

How was the law broken?

 

[aociswundumho]

Yeah. Here is my question. Why is the university responsible for this. Is this not the responsibility of the police?

I mean it’s terrible that they walk to classes and here “ blank Jews” but what is their expectation of the university particularly with an open campus in New York City?

That there should be campus police at every section to try and catch whoever tells out a slur, then determine if they are a student etc?

What is the expectation here?

Good questions. I did some research and there have been several court cases concerning title 6, but what it comes down to is what the court calls "deliberate indifference". To me that means they have to acknowledge the problem exists and at least try to solve it. It seems they didn't do either.

 

[Chomsky]

How is Columbia doing that?

As is typical for MAGA, there's a lot of higher-level generalized assertions devoid of specifics.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

This administration is declaring war on knowledge, education, and truth, and I'm sorry, there is no democracy without the free flow of information between people, which is what they're really trying to undermine.

The "From the river to the sea" people are advocating no less than a Hitlerian position. The make-believe Hamas supporters are endorsing the "Wipe Israel from the face of the earth" objective. Is it "the flow of information between people" to act against Jewish students at an American university in support of a mass murder goal?

 

[bomberfox]

“Free speech is when nazis speak, the more nazis speak the more free speech” (freeze peach warriors like Jimmy Dore circa 2021)