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PORTLAND -- Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire."I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, 'are you serious?,'" he said.
The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.
"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."
The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.
"As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.
Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.
"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."
Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter | kgw.com Portland
Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
Its ashamed that news stories of people using firearms to stop or prevent crime hardly makes a blip on the media's radar. If the media was unbiased then for every anti-2nd amendment loon advocating more infringements on the 2nd amendment with every sicko shoots up a place story there would a 2nd amendment advocate advocating for easier access to firearms during a gun owner saves lives or stops crime stories.Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
Deterence.. hahaha.. Well, if we are one dimensional thinkers, maybe. However, some of us can think beyond and rationalize the situation. Yes, you are safer in an ARMED society by being armed. However, if guns were not so easily available, it begs to question weather many of these instances would have taken place to begin with. If there were no one there with a gun, you would not need to defend yourself against it. Simple logic... All guns start out being sold legally to someone or some organization. It is what happens after that, that causes the problems. So the only way to control that, is to very tightly control, or ban guns. Those who obtain guns illegally, obtain them from someone who got them legally at some point.
Of course if one is to follow that reasoning one must also ignore the fact that there are indeed guns all over and that includes in areas where private ownership of firearms is very heavily restricted.
If the river was whiskey I'd be a diving duck....but it isn't and I'm not.
Only due to the fact that countries surrounding them have loose gun laws or no gun laws at all. It is not the restrictions that are the problem, it is the policing of illegal firearms from countries that don't have strict gun laws. Just look at mexico and you will see a good example. They get all their guns from us.
Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
Mexico doesn't get all their guns from us. F&F, as serious as it is, is a drop in the bucket of all the guns in Mexico.
Seriously, when alcohol was banned here in the states did that stop people from getting alcohol? Do the restrictions on illegal drugs stop drugs from hitting the streets? What makes you think that a restriction on guns will be any different?
Of course
America is a much safer place then Canada, the UK, Western Europe, and Japan
All because the US is armed
Of course
America is a much safer place then Canada, the UK, Western Europe, and Japan
All because the US is armed
I don't concede we're safer either way. Both sides try to use one hit instances to make a false point. Both sides use fallacious arguments and questionable statistics. Perhaps absolute safety isn't possible and in free society, we have to live with that.
Depending on which statistics you want to look at, the U.S. is safer, than some of those places.
Maybe because we're more armed, maybe not.
I would look at assaults, murders and rapes, I expect the countries and regions listed generally have lower rates then the US
The UK seems to have higher rates of assaults but lower murder rates
Mexico doesn't get all their guns from us. F&F, as serious as it is, is a drop in the bucket of all the guns in Mexico.
Seriously, when alcohol was banned here in the states did that stop people from getting alcohol? Do the restrictions on illegal drugs stop drugs from hitting the streets? What makes you think that a restriction on guns will be any different?
Mark the day, time, and post...we agree...It is impossible in a free society to be absolute in safety, which is why any honest police officer will tell you that they are not there to protect you, but rather to deter, and investigate after the fact. Protection is up to the individual.
And by the way, you are wrong in what you said.....
Report: Many weapons used by Mexican drug gangs originate in U.S. - CNN
Alcohol and drugs are mental and psychological vices that are expectedly, hard to control. Gun ownership, Is nothing like drug or alcohol in that sense.
Entirely false! Law enforcements motto is to PROTECT and serve. It is the motto almost every police force is based on. If the police were there only to investigate after the fact, then why is so much money put in to protecting society? If this were true, calling 911 would be pointless. They would just tell you they could not do anything until you were dead or someone else was dead. Thats just insane.
And by the way, you are wrong in what you said.....
Report: Many weapons used by Mexican drug gangs originate in U.S. - CNN
More than 70% of 29,284 firearms submitted to the U.S. Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for tracing by the Mexican government during 2009 and 2010 originated in the United States, according to the report.
Yea, in some area's there are differences, in others not so much.
Rapes are higher in France than the U.S. as a point of contention but murders are lower.
Overall in France there are 1% more crime victims.
At least according to this.
NationMaster - Crime stats: France vs United States
A pickpocket, a car prowling, a B&E are not violent crimes and would not be stopped by a person with a gun
I also wonder how many such crimes are unreported (in the US and in France and if that is an issue)
But you were talking about the availability of guns not mental conditions before. I figured that I'd stick with the topic at hand but I should have known that whenever common sense blows an argument apart the lefties always choose to change to a different tune.
Undermanned, overburdened, and out gunned in more than enough circumstances brother....That is just a fact...When trouble is breaking in the home within seconds, police are minutes away.
You see that underlined part? That doesn't mean that all the guns in Mexico are sent to ATF for tracing. It means that only the guns which the Mexicans have reason to believe came from the US (primarily due to serial numbers) are sent to the ATF. If they pick up a FN FAL without a serial number it probably won't be submitted to ATF because it probably didn't originate in the US where we require serial numbers on all the firearms we manufacture.
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