liberal1 said:It seems to me that the only sections that Christians quote in the Bible are those that out down homosexuality and all of this peace and love and saving your eternal soul and fearing God. If the Bible is the "path to god" but some of it is convenietly ignored.
Have you ever read it? I've even read the koran!liberal1 said:It seems to me that the only sections that Christians quote in the Bible are those that out down homosexuality and all of this peace and love and saving your eternal soul and fearing God. If the Bible is the "path to god" but some of it is convenietly ignored.
The Bible is as vague as the Constitution. It can be interpreted in many different ways.Mike 1967 said:Yes...it is true that many many people twist the Bible out of context. Some purposefully and some out of ignorance.
It is also probably fair to say that anyone who has read the Bible has mis-aplied something that was stated at some level.
But...as one of those crazy Bible Fundamentalists....I can tell you that I believe that a Homosexual is made in the image of God...and is thus more valuable than the universe.
I believe that sex between two men and/or two women is a sin. But..so is adultery. And so is looking after a woman with lust.
I sin every day as well.
stsburns said:The Bible is as vague as the Constitution. It can be interpreted in many different ways.
Mike 1967 said:Yes...it is true that many many people twist the Bible out of context. Some purposefully and some out of ignorance.
It is also probably fair to say that anyone who has read the Bible has mis-aplied something that was stated at some level.
But...as one of those crazy Bible Fundamentalists....I can tell you that I believe that a Homosexual is made in the image of God...and is thus more valuable than the universe.
I believe that sex between two men and/or two women is a sin. But..so is adultery. And so is looking after a woman with lust.
I sin every day as well.
aps said:Mike, I actually like your outlook (even though you're an everyday sinner)! tell us which of the sins you mentioned are the ones you're committing.Let's liven up this thread! LOL
Mike 1967 said:Mine it probably considered pretty tame and non-exciting for most.
But...looking on woman with lust is one of my biggest problem area. And since I believe the Bible...I believe that looking on a woman with lust is equal to adultry
aps said:Well, I honestly do not believe that lusting after another person is a bad thing. You're human, Mike. It's okay. The adutery stuff is bad, but looking is good! That's one of the reasons I turned away from religion. I didn't like how it was always making me feel badly for being human.
Mike 1967 said:This is an interesting topic. I have never thought about these questions from this viewpoint before.
On the point of Adultery
Personally I would feel bad even without Religion. Because I know that it would hurt my wife deeply if she could read my mind and my thoughts.
tecoyah said:Guess its a matter of communication, and individual personality. My wife knows damn well I lust after the Female form....and all indications are she rather likes it, particularly when the woman is her. Sexuality is hardwired into every warm blooded human on this earth....like it or not. Some people simply embrace it, while others fight it all through life, personally I embrace it. If that means I sin in the eyes of some all powerful entity, and will be denied the cloud enshrined kingdom of the pure....so be it. Chances are I would be bored beyond reason, and blinded by ignorant bliss anyway.
Mike 1967 said:Yes..my wife also likes it when I lust after her :mrgreen:
But even a non-religious person has to draw a line somewhere.
Even without Religion I would still fight the "hardwire of sexuality". If I gave myself completely over to my "hardwiring", I would forcefully take the first young woman that I desired.
aps said:Wow. Okay, so you're married. Hmmmm, I see what you're saying. I assumed you were single and lusting after women. I guess we all fight our desires to some extent. I just don't like it when you're made to feel badly for having human emotions. Sheesh (this is against religion--not you).
If I explored myself, I felt badly. In fact, I avoided it when I was a kid because I was told it was a very bad sin. Come on. We were born with sexual organs, and I think people should be able to explore them.
Even though I don't believe in God, I still like to say this: If God didn't want us to be sexually active, he wouldn't have made sex feel so good.
I think it's normal to still look at others when you're married. In fact, if my husband didn't, I would think something was wrong. He's classy enough not to look when he's with me (unless, of course, I point the woman out to him).
Mike 1967 said:Oh...I forgot to mention...
I also believe that if I am saved that Gods Spirit is within me. Commonly referred to as born again.
And..if I am born again...then there should be evidence of God working in me. This is what Jesus speaks of when he uses the analogy of dead tree's, live tree's and fruit.
Anyway..this is what I believe. :mrgreen:
He created it so pleasureable, but to be pleasure able within the sacredness of marriage. I am a believer in God and right now, Jesus is the only man in my life that staisfies me and always will be.aps said:Even though I don't believe in God, I still like to say this: If God didn't want us to be sexually active, he wouldn't have made sex feel so good.
i agree completely:2razz: Not a day goes buy that I dont sin, but I have a heavenly father who loves me and will forgive me whenever I confess and ask for it.Yes...it is true that many many people twist the Bible out of context. Some purposefully and some out of ignorance.
It is also probably fair to say that anyone who has read the Bible has mis-aplied something that was stated at some level.
But...as one of those crazy Bible Fundamentalists....I can tell you that I believe that a Homosexual is made in the image of God...and is thus more valuable than the universe.
I believe that sex between two men and/or two women is a sin. But..so is adultery. And so is looking after a woman with lust.
I sin every day as well.
aps said:I appreciate your openness. So you went from being an atheist to being religious. I wonder if that could happen to me? (Raised Catholic and left the church several years ago.)
By the way, I am a chick. I am very happily married to my husband. I worship that cutie pie.
teenonfire4him77 said:I truly don't understand why people just go out and have sex all willy nilly, and then can go and get married and feel as connected to his/her husband.
I mean, i wouldn't want to have sex knowing some guys dick has been with someone else. I want to be his first and he be mine, sex is more then just pleasure its a bond that will last forever...the first one to take your virginity.
You know the cliche 'you will never forget your first love', its the same thing, I personally want to save myself for my husband, because that is a bond that can never break, its the most intimate thign you can do with your partner that you will grow old with and I will cherish it.
Mike 1967 said:Thank you. I think it is important to be open.
I was raised an athiest. My father is still an athiest and will probably die one.
I would say that anyone can become a believer at any point. Anything is possible with God. fThe thief on the cross is a good example. He was obviously saved according to scripture....and it was while he was dying on the cross.
I believe that a person cannot have faith unless God first enables them to have it. In otherwords, I don't believe that it is a Free Will thing. As such, I don't believe that I can talk you into salvation or belief....although on the other hand...I do believe that God can use me to reach you if that is his plan.
My opinion on the Catholic Church is not a positive one. PErsonally, I cannot blame you for leaving the Catholic Church.
Glad to hear that you love your husband. :- ) Do you have children ?
aps said:Very interesting background. We don't have children yet--we are working on it, although we have been unsuccessful thus far (more than a year). It's okay. I believe that if we are meant to be parents, it will happen for us. I will accept whatever fate deals out to me. I would not feel my life was empty if I didn't have kids, particularly because I love the hubster so much.
So per your admitting that you don't understand other people's motivation, it is clear that you really can't speak as that what is right or wrong in their life, isn't that so?teenonfire4him77 said:I truly don't understand why people just go out and have sex all willy nilly, and then can go and get married and feel as connected to his/her husband.
And you would know my experience how? I happen to know what its like, my physical virginity was stolen away from me in the first ten years of my life that was molested. My physical may be gone, forcefully, but i willfully choose to save myself and give myself wholeheartedly to the man I love. Because it was not my fault, and my heavenly father doesn't see me as ruined, so why should I?tecoyah said:Please do not take this as an insult...as it is not meant as such. You are 15 yrs old....and likely have yet to experience what a sexual relationship actually is, this is a good thing in my opinion, and I recommend you retain virginity until you find "the one". I would however like to point out that many people do have a bit more experience with this part of Human interaction, and therefor may have a bit more insight into what it actually is. The intimacy is indeed a part of sex....but there are many things within the act of making love....it is extremely complex as far as emotions are concerned. I watched the Bourne Supremacy with my wife last night...and it was a very intimate time...just holding hands and being together. While we did make love later, it was for the physical act....not the intimacy, as we get that all day. Its called Love.
Just Sayin'....there are some things better commented on from experience, not the lack of.
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