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Christians and the GOP

Chelsea

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I've often wondered why Christians support the GOP so vehemently. Its true the GOP holds some "Christian" values such as opposition to gay marriage and abortion, but I don't recall reading about Jesus harping on these issues. The GOP doesn't seem to hold the more important values of Christianity ( Charity and compassion on the poor, sick, and elderly). They give tax breaks to millionares and cut funding for what little the poor of this country have (Welfare,Medicare, etc...) I don't remember Jesus ever telling thw poor to "get a job" or the sick "you should've gotten a better HMO). I'm being faciscious obviously, but in all sincerity it seenms all Christian morals are null in the GOP.

I also don't get this "Christian nation" hangup. Didn't Jesus say Christians would be persecuted and hated and reviled for their faith? Beaten, tortured, thrown in jail, and killed for his sake? Wasn't the early church nomadic in a sense? Its not like we're in China or Laos just because gays can marry and you can't hold prayers in classrooms, or women have a choice to have a baby or not. It seems to me Christians should support the ones who want more socialistic things than supporting the rich getting richer, but thats just me. end of rant.
 

Christ was not that concerned with Social Justice in the sense that governments should dole it out in a particular way.......at least he never said as much. I believe that Christ's doctrine was more concerned with how individuals should act and behave........particularly those who followed him. Politicians use religious status and titles for political expediency and to garner votes. The gullible will fall in line......you know this........we all know this. Why create a "baitish" /"trollish" thread like this in the Religion subforum concerning an issue we already know the answers to? This dead horse has been beaten into the dust. :shrug: :beatdeadhorse
 
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she started it in teh wrong forum ,but i agree with her .

and as far as i know ,there are lots of verses in bible pointing out charity.
 
I cant speak for anyone else but I was a life long Liberal with Christian values.....am now a Republican(although still listed for voting as a Dem).....it was not my Christianity that made me a republican but the policies....seems to me that many many many Christians are liberals.....so not sure why you seem to think that more Christians are republicans...to me it appears to be the other way around. Just look at all the Black folks that are Christian liberals.I can say that all my friends that are liberals are Christians...of all colors.
 

I have often wondered this myself. I understand the objection by the more right wing people in religion, but i do not understand why people of faith support a party that routinely cuts funding for social services and rails against the civil rights of others. The Word says that we should all love each other as we love ourselves and that judging others is a sin. Maybe I am just missing something.

And as posters have said. If it is not a religious thing then more power to them. I too believe that if you are a person of faith and have issues with one party or another that don't conflict with your perception of the Word, then that is your business.
 
I was talking more about "conservative Christians", it was more of a hot topic when Bush was elected than it is now.

 
Chelsea said:
I was talking more about "conservative Christians", it was more of a hot topic when Bush was elected than it is now.
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All of the above replies have merit; however, none of this takes away from the fact that this is a political issue.....with a political answer and has very little to do with real Christian principles. Christ, if he were here today, would associate himself with NEITHER party, so why should true Christians based soley on our "religious principles"? The question/assertion from the OP, in my oipinion, is either (1)intentionally trollish or (2) logically flawed. (I'm now leaning toward #2)

Flawed logically because:
1. It makes the assumption or generalization that most or all Christians support the GOP....and "vehemently"
2. It assumes that the GOP (as a whole) holds values which are soley Christian and which cannot be associated with any other source of morality.
3. It assumes that the GOP (as a whole) has little or no compassion for the poor, sick, and elderly.
4. It admittedly takes a sarcastic and unrealistic "look" at what Christ may have said.

Bottom line is....the GOP used the title of the "Party of Conservative Christians" or the "Evangelical Party" soley for political expediency and to garner votes. This would be akin to asserting that the Democratic Party is not the party of environmental consiousness because most Democrats in Washington don't drive Smart Cars.....rather they burn millions of tons of fossil fuel each year flying from place to place in jumbo and private jets? The whole concept is completely asinine. We also "know" that Democrats claim to be the "party of workers" but are there Democrats who invest in Corporate America? Sure there are.....and lots of them.

This whole premise was/is driven by the nature of politics and the naivity of voters who worship at the altar of the Drive-by media. I'm sure that there really are many Christians out there who honestly believe that one of the GOP's primary goals is to uphold "Christian values"..........but aren't we intelligent enough to sniff out the fact that this whole relationship is political in nature.....driven by the media and the party itself? I would hope so.

I've said this in several other threads.......I am certainly a Christian........and when I hear a politician openly claim to espouse "Christian values".......I immediately begin to question their honesty and sincerity as a candidate. I usually end up avoiding these candidates like the plague.

Christ's gospel was always one that was grassroots in nature.......I don't ever recall Him encouraging His disciples to seek high seats in government from which to spread His message. :shrug:

I still believe this thread belongs in one of the political subforums.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
This is primarily a political OP, and so it is being moved to Church and State as a more appropriate venue.
 
The Republican party supports Christian supremacy, but espouses very little in the way of values actually advocated by Jesus.


This is a really stupid argument. Everything we think of as government in modern America is drastically different from the view of government during the Roman Empire. No one from that era wrote anything that is directly applicable to American representative democracy, our technology and science based society, or our notions of property or civil rights. Writings from back then included some moral tenets, like turning the other cheek to stop the cycle of violence, or a condemnation of the hoarding of wealth. The argument that Jesus wanted people to voluntarily donate their wealth, rather than set up a government system to facilitate it, is completely unfounded, as no one during that era even considered a government that operates at all similarly to how ours does, or any similar notion of a financial setup or our ideas of property rights. The only thing you can say is that Jesus wanted people to do it, and didn't specify how. So take whatever options are open to you, and do it. That's a Christian value that the Republican party devotes most of its energy to opposing all the while advocating for the supremacy of Christianity in America.
 

Tell it to the OP......she's the one who seems to be equating modern political parties with Christian tenets. I simply pointed out that true Christians follow the gospel of Christ.....and He, obviously, was not very "politically motivated." :shrug:

I must also take issue with your interpretation of history here and the degree of social programs to which early governments, such as Rome, were involved. For example, in ancient Rome social welfare support was introduced by Gajus Gracchus (158-122 BC), on a large scale.
 
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Actually, that's not what she is saying. She is saying that the Republican party claims, very loudly, to equate to Christian tenets. And they don't. And if you think that Jesus was not talking about politics (that is, policy that governs people's lives, not simply about who is in power), then you are very naive. Everyone who preaches major change is talking about politics.
 

Social change, individual change, and change of heart does not always equate to political change.....sorry, your claim just does not hold water. Christ even encouraged his disciples to follow established law.......he was not the revolutionary that some historical revisionists would make him out to be. Sorry, but you are simply wrong here.
 

Charity can only occur voluntarily, in the form of someone willingly giving of himself to help the less fortunate. There is no such thing as forcible charity.

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They give tax breaks to millionares [sic] and cut funding for what little the poor of this country have (Welfare,Medicare, etc...)
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No matter how you spin it, taking wealth or property from those who have rightfully earned it, without their consent, to be given to those who have not, is stealing. Having government do it via taxation, or calling it “…Welfare,Medicare, etc…” changes nothing about what it truly is. Jesus never advocated nor defended stealing. In fact the Bible is pretty clear about theft.

Exodus 20:15 “Thou shalt not steal.
Zechariah 5:3 “…for every one that stealeth shall be cut off…”​

Your complaint is that government doesn't steal as much as you think they should steal. You are wrong for advocating any theft at all, and you are certainly wrong for depicting such theft as being in any way consistent with Christian values.


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I don't remember Jesus ever telling thw [sic] poor to "get a job"
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OK, not Jesus, but…

2 Thessolonians 3:10 “For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”​



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…or the sick "you should've gotten a better HMO).
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I don't recall the GOP, nor any prominent members thereof, saying any such thing either.
 

They did so in Jesus' day too. He had a lot to say about that. See Matthew chapter 23.


Probably because Thunder is no longer around to start such threads. This is exactly the sort of thread he liked to start.
 
Jesus was not much enamored of the vain. Those who believe that they alone are responsible for their wealth and are therefore entitled to keep all of it damn themselves with just the sort of self-serving pride that Jesus in fact detested. All that each of us has came to us under the aegis, agency, and protection of the state. By accepting membership in the society that the state has established and maintains, we explicitly accept an individuaol responsibility to help pay for it. Attempts to welch on that debt to society are pretty much deplorable under Christian or any other set of moral standards.
 
You only have to read the incessant jeering, smearing and ridiculing of Christianity and Christians by Democrat partisan hacks on this forum, who will even inject their religious bigotry into topics having nothing to do with religion, to understand why. If a group incessantly tries to belittle and insult you, you will naturally dislike that group.
 
conservative parties always ignore the social justice .because it is easier to exploit the religious feelings of the people.
 
Medusa said:
conservative parties always ignore the social justice .because it is easier to exploit the religious feelings of the people.
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there is no social justice in the founding documents...only equal justice.

that is why justice is supposed to be blind, which is why you see justice with a blindfold on.

social justice is those in power who wish to create their brand of justice according too their ideas.
 

equal justice ??

there cant be any equality in this life , ,equality and justice are different concepts..


nobody can have the same intelligence ,talents and genetics but workers must be paid justly....
 
Medusa said:
equal justice ??

there cant be any equality in this life , ,equality and justice are different concepts..


nobody can have the same intelligence ,talents and genetics but workers must be paid justly....
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you are absolutely correct...thanks for saying that on talents.......but paid justly.......congress has no power to set pay...unconstitutional.

every person can have different talents, different strengths.

some people are quick, some slow, some bright,, some not so bright.

so we are not created equality in society or in economic terms, but we are supposed under the eyes of justice...equal on the scale of justice in the court.

social justice ,from what i see mean people who have achieved by there talents and strengths are punished by higher taxes, and told others must be put ahead of them to make it fair.

government has no authority to put one person over another or take punitive action against those who have more.

affirmative action, minimum wage, are a few which are unconstitutional, and need to be abolished!
 
There's that Bizarro Nation Constitution again. Under the US Constitution, Congress has the power to set taxes on income from whatever source derived. It may also act to provide various forms of restitution, whether that be to people wrongly imprisoned or wrongly denied equal access to a decent education. It may require that wages not be set in a discriminatory manner, and that they not comprise an externalization of costs.
 

wrong! congress can lay taxes, but it cant treat people differently, meaning it cant punish people or single out people because they have more wealth, the government has to treat every one equal....what is taxation, it is the rising of revenue...not a tool of government to get even with people who have more money!

government has no authority to redistribute wealth, and they cannot be venture capitalist, and hand out loans to people of institutions, that is crony- capitalism an illegal.......education ,to our federal government is unconstitutional...so is housing!

government has no authority too set wages on private citizen, because it is contract, government has no power under the constitution to interfere with contract , if no violation of rights have taken place.

discrimination laws on citizens business, are illegal...the 14th amendment states government cannot discriminate, not citizens. under the constitution my property rights are mine, not governments, as long as i don't violate other rights with my property, i can do as i please with it.

and when a person in on someone else's property he has no rights!.....they cant kill you of enslave you , because that's criminal, but you don't have free speech, assembly rights, free to worship, bare a firearm......you only have a privilege that the owners allows you!


by the way, ...we are under the banner of the Constitution is this forum!
 
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Medusa said:
conservative parties always ignore the social justice .because it is easier to exploit the religious feelings of the people.
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This is a terrible overgeneralization. Terribly unfair.
 
nota bene said:
This is a terrible overgeneralization. Terribly unfair.
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no ...this is a reality............in every part of the world ,rightist parties always exploit your religious beliefs and ignore the social justice....

do you think abortion which is personal case is more important than health insurance ??
 
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